MLB Season discussion

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:42 pm

Its fun for me

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:18 am

That was cool....

Home plate ump?...bad....

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:23 am

Wow, poor call to end the game. Holliday never touched the plate.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:25 am

Diablo25 wrote:Wow, poor call to end the game. Holliday never touched the plate.

NO he didnt.

macsomjrr · Post by **macsomjrr** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:32 am

Diablo25 wrote:Wow, poor call to end the game. Holliday never touched the plate.

Yeah no $hit. INSTANT REPLY! INSTANT REPLY! INSTANT REPLY! C'mon, why not??? Such BS. After the way trevor was pitching though I doubt it would've matter if he had been called out.

macsomjrr · Post by **macsomjrr** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:34 am

oh great and now I get to hear Holliday whining about Barrett stepping on his freakin hand. Cry me a river already you're going to the playoffs you non-plate tagging cue ball headed game winner.

Wilk5280 · Post by **Wilk5280** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:48 am

Did he touch the plate? maybe, maybe not.

did Atkins hit a HR earlier? maybe, maybe not

I think the calls evened out, but I'm obviously biased and I have no problems admitting it.

Very entertaining game, either way

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:06 am

A game for the ages. I don't think he touched the plate, a missed call for sure but the Rockies have been the hottest team in the NL. Great game, a shame one of teams had to go home.

macsomjrr · Post by **macsomjrr** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:46 am

PRBoom wrote:Did he touch the plate? maybe, maybe not.

did Atkins hit a HR earlier? maybe, maybe not

I think the calls evened out, but I'm obviously biased and I have no problems admitting it.

Very entertaining game, either way

No doubt it was a home-run. Either way I'll be rooting the Rockies to do well in the post-season. They managed one heck of a come back to squeeze in at teh very end and made things really exciting. Still can't believe trevor let this one get away from us like that. Heartbreaking...

Wilk5280 · Post by **Wilk5280** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:53 am

It's no secret that Hoffman despises Coors Field. 5 years ago he was quoted at saying "they should blow that place up".

Coors Field or no Coors, that's the 2nd save in a row this week he's blown. Unbelievable really.

Wilk5280 · Post by **Wilk5280** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:55 am

oh great and now I get to hear Holliday whining about Barrett stepping on his freakin hand.

Oh yeah. That's exactly why you do not come into home plate head first. Guy's got a huge strawberry on his chin and a gash taken out of his left hand. Lucky it wasn't worse as he easily could have dislocated a shoulder or something.

Hopefully he's learned a little something from that experience lol.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:47 am

PRBoom wrote:
oh great and now I get to hear Holliday whining about Barrett stepping on his freakin hand.
Oh yeah. That's exactly why you do not come into home plate head first. Guy's got a huge strawberry on his chin and a gash taken out of his left hand. Lucky it wasn't worse as he easily could have dislocated a shoulder or something.

Hopefully he's learned a little something from that experience lol.

Sliding head first wouldn't be the hazard that it is if the umpires would enforce the obstruction rule properly.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:58 am

Those 10pm Eastern start times for the Cubs games are killers for me. Bye bye sleep!

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:14 am

Three signs that the baseball playoffs are upon us: 1. Chicago Cubs fans feel an unexplained tightness in their throats; 2. Alex Rodriguez has quit hitting; 3. Curt Schilling has dug out his bloody sock.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:41 pm

Brando70 wrote:Those 10pm Eastern start times for the Cubs games are killers for me. Bye bye sleep!

I can live with the start times, but I cannot live with the fact that I can't watch these games in HiDef!!

No TBS HD on Comcast. This is an absolute travesty.

Oh well, I suppose that I could watch on the 32" TV in the bedroom and pretend that it's 1997.

Slumberland · Post by **Slumberland** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:48 pm

Yeah, I was watching the Rockies win last night on a front projector in 480i, and it was one of the most disgusting things ever. When do the games move off of TBS?

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:12 pm

Slumberland wrote:When do the games move off of TBS?

TBS has all four division series and the NLCS. FOX has the ALCS and World Series.

drbaseball · Post by **drbaseball** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:48 pm

macsomjrr wrote:
Diablo25 wrote:Wow, poor call to end the game. Holliday never touched the plate.
Yeah no $hit. INSTANT REPLY! INSTANT REPLY! INSTANT REPLY! C'mon, why not??? Such BS. After the way trevor was pitching though I doubt it would've matter if he had been called out.

How would instant replay have helped in this situation? I know he didn't touch the plate, but because Barrett didn't have the ball he wasn't out either. It should have been a non-call with the runner/catcher racing to get to the plate or make the out. How could instant replay have been used to recreate that scenario? Again, he might not have been safe...but he certainly wasn't out, either.

JB

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:58 pm

wow, great job by mlb to move these over to tbs. I'm sure those casual fans that they want to watch the playoffs will pick tbs as their first channel choice to view the games.

Wouldn't it been smarter just to stick with ESPN? Sure they got outbid, but games on HD ESPN and the casual fan knowing the channel the games will be aired would make up for anything tbs paid out.

Sully · Post by **Sully** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:59 pm

drbaseball wrote:
macsomjrr wrote:
Diablo25 wrote:Wow, poor call to end the game. Holliday never touched the plate.
Yeah no $hit. INSTANT REPLY! INSTANT REPLY! INSTANT REPLY! C'mon, why not??? Such BS. After the way trevor was pitching though I doubt it would've matter if he had been called out.
How would instant replay have helped in this situation? I know he didn't touch the plate, but because Barrett didn't have the ball he wasn't out either. It should have been a non-call with the runner/catcher racing to get to the plate or make the out. How could instant replay have been used to recreate that scenario? Again, he might not have been safe...but he certainly wasn't out, either.

JB

After the play at the plate, didn't Barrett pick the ball up and go to tag Holliday? The ump motioned safe when he saw that happening. I'm not sure if Barrett followed through, and tagged him, but he definitely made the attempt.

Sully · Post by **Sully** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:02 pm

Barrett did tag him after the play at the plate.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TXdmfcMi4gY

drbaseball · Post by **drbaseball** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:11 pm

Sully wrote:Barrett did tag him after the play at the plate.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TXdmfcMi4gY

I just watched the video. He wasn't tagged until after the call of safe. Yes, Barrett is heading for him before the call, but doesn't get there until afterward. Yes, it is close, but it still comes after the call. Once the umpire called Holliday safe, why would he have a need to continue to make it to the plate and out race the tag?

Again, the umpire should have left it as a non call until either the tag was made or Holliday touched the plate. Instant replay would not have resolved that reality.

I am in support of instant replay for baseball. I just don't think this is the example for making the case.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:34 pm

The umps whole reaction to the play was one of he didnt touch the plate, and no call would be made until the runner scurried back and touched the plate, safe, or the catcher got the ball and tagged the runner out, out.

It looked like the ump was doing that until the end where I guess he thought to himself, well, it's such a late game, and I got to get some sleep, so f*** it, he's safe.

added : another thing I was thinking, barret should have tried to sell it to the ump that he never touched the plate. Instead of casually getting the ball, he should have rushed it and tagged Halladay out, maybe that could have worked. But with the crowd going wild, I think the ump was affected.

Think if there was an abandonment play? Where there's no call, and the runner goes back to the dugout, then he's automatically out. Think the chaos that would have caused. Maybe that's what the ump was trying to avoid, getting his ass beaten by making the right call.

drbaseball · Post by **drbaseball** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:55 pm

Inuyasha wrote:The umps whole reaction to the play was one of he didnt touch the plate, and no call would be made until the runner scurried back and touched the plate, safe, or the catcher got the ball and tagged the runner out, out.

It looked like the ump was doing that until the end where I guess he thought to himself, well, it's such a late game, and I got to get some sleep, so f*** it, he's safe.

added : another thing I was thinking, barret should have tried to sell it to the ump that he never touched the plate. Instead of casually getting the ball, he should have rushed it and tagged Halladay out, maybe that could have worked. But with the crowd going wild, I think the ump was affected.

Think if there was an abandonment play? Where there's no call, and the runner goes back to the dugout, then he's automatically out. Think the chaos that would have caused. Maybe that's what the ump was trying to avoid, getting his ass beaten by making the right call.

These are my thoughts exactly. And I don't see how replay would have helped?

macsomjrr · Post by **macsomjrr** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:51 pm

drbaseball wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:The umps whole reaction to the play was one of he didnt touch the plate, and no call would be made until the runner scurried back and touched the plate, safe, or the catcher got the ball and tagged the runner out, out.

It looked like the ump was doing that until the end where I guess he thought to himself, well, it's such a late game, and I got to get some sleep, so f*** it, he's safe.

added : another thing I was thinking, barret should have tried to sell it to the ump that he never touched the plate. Instead of casually getting the ball, he should have rushed it and tagged Halladay out, maybe that could have worked. But with the crowd going wild, I think the ump was affected.

Think if there was an abandonment play? Where there's no call, and the runner goes back to the dugout, then he's automatically out. Think the chaos that would have caused. Maybe that's what the ump was trying to avoid, getting his ass beaten by making the right call.
These are my thoughts exactly. And I don't see how replay would have helped?

Ump: "You know I'm not sure if he tagged the plate or not, maybe I should call up stairs and have the special replay umpire check for me"

Special Upstairs Replay Ump: "Looks like he didn't tag and then Barrett recovered the ball and tagged him, he's OUT!"

Ump: "Thanks special replay ump. Hey everybody at Coors field he is OUT!"

Me: "Hell yeah! Go Barrett! Go Barrett! Go Barrett!"

How would instant replay not have helped in this situation? I will say that the home-run that bounced back in probably would've been called a HR as well though meaning Rockies win anyway. Seriously just give each manager two chances too have a play reviewed. Where is the harm in that?