OT: Election/Politics thread, Part 6

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:22 am

RobVarak wrote:
This thread has no place for you "numbers" and fancy book learnin'!! You're probably on the payroll for Big Hunting.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:24 am

webdanzer wrote: The link was not only for you, but in response to a lot of the 'hill-billy'. 'red neck' comments in the thread.

I wasn't part of that.

My only claim was hunting and "guns in general" was more part of the Southern culture. If that's untrue, than I stand corrected. I'm still not convinced though.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:26 am

webdanzer wrote: The number is in thousands, before the percentages. I was quoting by percentages because if we go by number, the more populous north eastern states come out on top there as well.

Web...those are percentages that hunt within their own state. That is not a depiction of the total hunters per state.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:29 am

webdanzer wrote:
The link was not only for you, but in response to a lot of the 'hill-billy'. 'red neck' comments in the thread.

There were more than a few redneck hillbillies where I came from in Western Pennsylvania. I'm sure there are plenty that are still there, as Joe Murtha recently noted.

Naples39 · Post by **Naples39** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:38 am

GTHobbes wrote:
webdanzer wrote:
The link was not only for you, but in response to a lot of the 'hill-billy'. 'red neck' comments in the thread.
There were more than a few redneck hillbillies where I came from in Western Pennsylvania. I'm sure there are plenty that are still there, as Joe Murtha recently noted.

They call western PA Pennsyltucky for a reason.

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:38 am

JackB1 wrote:
webdanzer wrote: The number is in thousands, before the percentages. I was quoting by percentages because if we go by number, the more populous north eastern states come out on top there as well.
Web...those are percentages that hunt within their own state. That is not a depiction of the total hunters per state.

No, the numbers on page 67 are 'all hunters,' the total number corresponding to the 12,510,000 on table 6 on page 64.

Even if they were only talking about hunters in their same state, you can see again by the table on page 64 that 96% of hunters hunt within their state of residence anyway. So I'm not sure if you were concerned with a mass of nomadic hunters going to or from the south, but neither would skew the numbers in any appreciable manner.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:39 am

Feanor wrote:It's not that Palin was too inexperienced, it's that she was too f***in dumb to be anywhere near the Presidency. Something that McCain's handlers were able to confirm about 10 minutes after McCain conceded and they didn't need to protect her anymore.

The weird thing is that Palin still insists she's perfectly qualified to be VP...even after most of those around her now admit she was in over her head. When questioned about running next time, she won't rule it out or even act a little bit humbled by this experience. I would just like to hear her once say that maybe she was a bit under prepared for that position.
Her overly ambitious attitude reminds me a lot of what people were saying about Hillary during the primary.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:45 am

webdanzer wrote: No, the numbers on page 67 are 'all hunters,' the total number corresponding to the 12,510,000 on table 6 on page 64.

Even if they were only talking about hunters in their same state, you can see again by the table on page 64 that 96% of hunters hunt within their state of residence anyway. So I'm not sure if you were concerned with a mass of nomadic hunters going to or from the south, but neither would skew the numbers in any appreciable manner.

It's still not easy to determine what's purely "North" and what's "South".
There are many that spread accross the whole country. If anyone finds a breakdown by State, I would love to see that.

Census Geographic Division

New England . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 107
Middle Atlantic . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 664
East North Central . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 785
West North Central. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 552
South Atlantic . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 516
East South Central . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 253
West South Central. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 547
Mountain . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 288
Pacific . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 252

matthewk · Post by **matthewk** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:50 am

JackB1 wrote:The weird thing is that Palin still insists she's perfectly qualified to be VP...even after most of those around her now admit she was in over her head.

And who would those people be, other than the disgruntled McCain campaign workers that did a poor job and are looking for a scapegoat?

Another generality without any specifics to back up the claim.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:52 am

JRod wrote:
Teal wrote:
JRod wrote:I not surprised that DSP veered off into hunting v guns v humane treatment of animals.

But geez Palin is stupid. This has nothing to do with turkey, it has to do that a national candidate, or future national candidate, does not have the wherewithal to not have a guy slaughter a turkey while she's on camera.

You think one of her handlers would have told the guy, could you stop with the neck splittin for a second!

Just think this lady could have been one step away from being President.
Yeah, God forbid someone with so little experience could actually be that near the presidency...D'OH!

Your guy lost! Funny that!

Wow. Another fantastic, well thought out retort. Who knew?

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:53 am

JackB1 wrote: If anyone finds a breakdown by State, I would love to see that.

Same document, table 58 page 111.

Leaders are Pennsylvania, Texas, Michigan, Ohio, New York, and Wisconsin.

What an odd thing to debate for me on a Monday morning. Just as a point of reference, I'm a non-hunting Northerner who was a Vegan for a while until fairly recently.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:54 am

Feanor wrote:It's not that Palin was too inexperienced, it's that she was too f***in dumb to be anywhere near the Presidency. Something that McCain's handlers were able to confirm about 10 minutes after McCain conceded and they didn't need to protect her anymore.

Those were Leiberman holdouts, and you just want that to be true to buttress up your own hateful, ignorant rantings about the woman. Carry on.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:56 am

JackB1 wrote:
JackDog wrote:
Democrates don't own guns or hunt?

I never said that. I only said hunting is more engrained in the culture of the South. "More" doesn't mean all or nothing. It just means more. It doesn't mean everyone in the North is innocent. You always take my words and make them into "all or nothing" statements, which they are not.

Well, Jack...the 'south' thing has no merit. That's simply not the least bit true. Not at all. And 'innocent'?!? What the hell does that mean?!?

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:58 am

JackB1 wrote:
macsomjrr wrote: Also the controlled and humane killing of animals in a slaughter house or abattoir doesn't compare to being shot in neck, leg, or abdomen only to either be caught by the hunter (and subsequently shot in the head or have your neck cut) or run away to bleed to death, or develop a septic abdomen, or become permanently crippled just so you can high five your buddy and smoke a few stoogies to celebrate unnecessary cruelty to animals. Yeah!
Yes and No. An accurate hunter who kills his prey instantly with a shot to the brain is probably doing a better job than the slaughterhouses that raise their animals in overcrowded, disgusting, filthy conditions and then slaughter them in the cheapest way that sometimes means prolonged suffering and a long, slow, painful death. Then again, how many hunters are described by my 1st sentence? Probably few.

But you are right. There isn't much reason in this day and age to hunt for food, but those that choose to continue this practice will do whatever they can to justify it as morally OK.

Hunters don't typically go for the brain...

And you know why there isn't much 'reason' to hunt in this day and age? Because people kill turkeys in big ol' killhouses like the one that started this stupid issue in the first place! Imagine that!

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:01 pm

GTHobbes wrote:
webdanzer wrote:
The link was not only for you, but in response to a lot of the 'hill-billy'. 'red neck' comments in the thread.
There were more than a few redneck hillbillies where I came from in Western Pennsylvania. I'm sure there are plenty that are still there, as Joe Murtha recently noted.

I'm sure some of the Northern hunters are wealthy types, so you're set as far as despising them under your umbrella of hate for that group as well.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:01 pm

webdanzer wrote: Leaders are Pennsylvania, Texas, Michigan, Ohio, New York, and Wisconsin.

Who would have thought it? ....

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:05 pm

webdanzer wrote:
GTHobbes wrote:
webdanzer wrote:
The link was not only for you, but in response to a lot of the 'hill-billy'. 'red neck' comments in the thread.
There were more than a few redneck hillbillies where I came from in Western Pennsylvania. I'm sure there are plenty that are still there, as Joe Murtha recently noted.
I'm sure some of the Northern hunters are wealthy types, so you're set as far as despising them under your umbrella of hate for that group as well.

I don't hate people for their wealth...not sure what you meant by that one.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:21 pm

webdanzer wrote: What an odd thing to debate for me on a Monday morning. Just as a point of reference, I'm a non-hunting Northerner who was a Vegan for a while until fairly recently.

Just curious...why did you return to the "dark side"

?

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:24 pm

JackB1 wrote:
webdanzer wrote: What an odd thing to debate for me on a Monday morning. Just as a point of reference, I'm a non-hunting Northerner who was a Vegan for a while until fairly recently.
Just curious...why did you return to the "dark side" ?

Because Veggie Burgers taste like ass?

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:27 pm

Teal wrote:
Well, Jack...the 'south' thing has no merit. That's simply not the least bit true. Not at all. And 'innocent'?!? What the hell does that mean?!?

You mean I was focused on the wrong half of the country?
Damn....back to the drawing board!

By "innocent", I meant that the North also has their fair share of hunters who hunt for the wrong reasons. Cruelty to animals is not isolated to any part of our country. It's everywhere you look.

matthewk · Post by **matthewk** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:30 pm

Teal wrote:
JackB1 wrote:
webdanzer wrote: What an odd thing to debate for me on a Monday morning. Just as a point of reference, I'm a non-hunting Northerner who was a Vegan for a while until fairly recently.
Just curious...why did you return to the "dark side" ?
Because Veggie Burgers taste like ass?

Couldn't be. Ass would be meat

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:33 pm

matthewk wrote:
And who would those people be, other than the disgruntled McCain campaign workers that did a poor job and are looking for a scapegoat?

Uhhhm....how about the American public?
http://www.zibb.com/article/4287588/Maj ... ePresident

60% thought she wasn't qualified then...and that was a month ago.

If you want a scapegoat, you need look no further than "Maverick" McCain, who succumbed to party pressure to pick a VP that would appease the hard right conservative portion of the base.

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:34 pm

Teal wrote:
JackB1 wrote:
webdanzer wrote: What an odd thing to debate for me on a Monday morning. Just as a point of reference, I'm a non-hunting Northerner who was a Vegan for a while until fairly recently.
Just curious...why did you return to the "dark side" ?
Because Veggie Burgers taste like ass?

Ha! I actually like some veggie burgers!

Damn diet caused me to develop a soy allergy. To be fair, too, I wasn't doing it 'for the animals!', but because I believe in certain health benefits of the diet. I still don't consume all that many animal products.

I never blew up any frogs, though, so maybe I'm still entitled to a few of those JackB1 points!

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:39 pm

Slumberland wrote:
Naples39 wrote:Who wouldn't want to vote for this;

MESMERIZING.

It is, and appropriate to the discussion since it would fall under the category of "MILF hunting."

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:40 pm

webdanzer wrote:
Ha! I actually like some veggie burgers!

Damn diet caused me to develop a soy allergy. To be fair, too, I wasn't doing it 'for the animals!', but because I believe in certain health benefits of the diet. I still don't consume all that many animal products.

I never blew up any frogs, though, so maybe I'm still entitled to a few of those JackB1 points!

Get a job, hippie!