OT: Todays NFL games

Badgun · Post by **Badgun** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:45 pm

No, I trust you, but I GUARANTEE you that Pittsburgh will be one of the teams that breaks the trend.

Would you care to make a wager on next week's game? I'll take whoever comes into Pittsburgh with the points for any amount you choose. We can Paypal the money to pk and he can then Paypal the total to the winner.

HipE · Post by **HipE** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:56 pm

You say the Steelers beat weak teams, while the Colts played a much tougher schedule and beat good teams, but here is how the schedules break down:

Pit (15-1)

vs teams over .500: 5-1
vs teams .500: 2-0
vs teams under .500: 8-0

Best wins: NE, Phi

Colts (12-4)

vs teams over .500: 4-3
vs teams at .500: 1-0
vs teams under .500: 7-1

Best wins: GB, SD

So each team played the same amount of teams .500 or better, with Pit going 7-1, while the Colts went 5-3. Plus, the Colts lost a game to a team under .500, giving up 45 pts in the process. I'm not sure how you get from their schedules that Pit benefitted by beating lousy teams, while the Colts were punished for playing much better teams.

I'm not saying that Pit won't lose to either NE or Indy, even though I don't think they will. I just don't know how you can say either of those teams are so much better than Pit, and that the Vikings are even better than Pit. And to say Roethlisberger will be mediocre in his career because he struggled in a win in his first playoff start as a rookie seems to be a stretch. For the season, he went 13-0, and set the all time rookie records for QB rating and completion percentage.

It will be interesting to see how everything plays out next weekend.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:59 pm

Badgun wrote:No, I trust you, but I GUARANTEE you that Pittsburgh will be one of the teams that breaks the trend.

Would you care to make a wager on next week's game? I'll take whoever comes into Pittsburgh with the points for any amount you choose. We can Paypal the money to pk and he can then Paypal the total to the winner.

I'm a vehement opponent of gambling for money. Besides, what would it prove anyway? It seems kind of childish to me. I really don't need the money. I'm secure enough that I really don't care if you are right or wrong. It's just fun to discuss. Why would I wager on something that I have no control over anyway?

I'm just trying to understand why you are making the guarantee when you admitted that you saw the Steelers one time all season before yesterday.

BTW, in common opponents between the Colts and Steelers, the Steelers were 4-1 and the Colts were 3-2. You can only play the teams that the NFL puts on your schedule.[/i]

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:01 pm

Here's another:

Record of Colts' opponents: 128-128
Record for Steelers' opponents: 124-132

Seems pretty even to me.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:04 pm

Badgun, did the Steelers take your lunch money when you were a kid?

just wondering why they get you in such a lather.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:39 pm

Leebo33 wrote:Here's another:

Record of Colts' opponents: 128-128
Record for Steelers' opponents: 124-132

Seems pretty even to me.

Wouldn't EVEN state that both teams played schedules consisting of teams with the same amount of wins and losses. To me, that looks like the Steelers got a 4 game advantage (likely from playing the Browns twice).

Badgun · Post by **Badgun** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:43 pm

Dave wrote:Badgun, did the Steelers take your lunch money when you were a kid?

just wondering why they get you in such a lather.

If it hadn't been for the Steelers, my Cowboys would own at least 8 Lombardi trophies right now. *shakes fist at the sky*

HipE · Post by **HipE** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:46 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
Leebo33 wrote:Here's another:

Record of Colts' opponents: 128-128
Record for Steelers' opponents: 124-132

Seems pretty even to me.
Wouldn't EVEN state that both teams played schedules consisting of teams with the same amount of wins and losses. To me, that looks like the Steelers got a 4 game advantage (likely from playing the Browns twice).

Actually, the reason for the advantage is that the Steelers have a better record. If the Steelers go 12-4 like the Colts did, then the record of Steelers opponents becomes 127-129. You can't punish them for winning more games

Badgun · Post by **Badgun** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:47 pm

Leebo33 wrote:
Badgun wrote:No, I trust you, but I GUARANTEE you that Pittsburgh will be one of the teams that breaks the trend.

Would you care to make a wager on next week's game? I'll take whoever comes into Pittsburgh with the points for any amount you choose. We can Paypal the money to pk and he can then Paypal the total to the winner.
I'm a vehement opponent of gambling for money. Besides, what would it prove anyway? It seems kind of childish to me. I really don't need the money. I'm secure enough that I really don't care if you are right or wrong. It's just fun to discuss. Why would I wager on something that I have no control over anyway?

I'm just trying to understand why you are making the guarantee when you admitted that you saw the Steelers one time all season before yesterday.

BTW, in common opponents between the Colts and Steelers, the Steelers were 4-1 and the Colts were 3-2. You can only play the teams that the NFL puts on your schedule.[/i]

Why would I guarantee it? Let's see...rookie qb looking more like a rookie everyday, a defense that can't stay on the field with Peyton Manning and they have simply overachieved all year...sounds like good reasoning to me.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:49 pm

Badgun, I feel you. If it weren't for the Steelers and the refs allowing Kordell Stewart to run around out of bounds before catching a TD, Jim Harbaugh could have been a starting QB in the Super Bowl.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:13 pm

HipE wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote:
Leebo33 wrote:Here's another:

Record of Colts' opponents: 128-128
Record for Steelers' opponents: 124-132

Seems pretty even to me.
Wouldn't EVEN state that both teams played schedules consisting of teams with the same amount of wins and losses. To me, that looks like the Steelers got a 4 game advantage (likely from playing the Browns twice).
Actually, the reason for the advantage is that the Steelers have a better record. If the Steelers go 12-4 like the Colts did, then the record of Steelers opponents becomes 127-129. You can't punish them for winning more games

*sigh* Thanks, HipE.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:22 pm

Badgun,

I thought of a bet that doesn't involve money and is more for fun.

If the Steelers go to the Super Bowl, you cannot buy Madden 2006 in any format or any version of a new Sega football game next year.

I'm open to suggestions on the other side of the bet.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:41 pm

The Vikings really need to add some quick-hitting routes to the offense.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:44 pm

The Vikings needed to have kicked that FG at the 5 yd line...Theyd still have an outside shot if they had.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:55 pm

Badgun wrote:
Dave wrote:Badgun, did the Steelers take your lunch money when you were a kid?

just wondering why they get you in such a lather.
If it hadn't been for the Steelers, my Cowboys would own at least 8 Lombardi trophies right now. *shakes fist at the sky*

It's OK. The Cowboys took one from the thumb away from the Steelers.

"And we may have done a little bit of fighting amongst ourselves,
but you outside people best leave us alone.
Cause we'll all stick together and you can take that to the bank.
That's the cowboys and the hippies and the rebels and the yanks.
You just go and lay your head on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan
and I think you're gonna finally understand"

- Charlie Daniels

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:39 pm

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:41 pm

Dave wrote:

I think you are looking good by being down only 6.
You are getting pressure on Brady.
I dont know how it will turn out but at this point your okay down only 6.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:46 pm

I've seen this game a time or two before.

But a TD here is huge if they can muster it.

I just don't trust this defense to keep us in the game if the offense can't get moving.

I freaking hate the Pats...

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:55 pm

Dave wrote: I freaking hate the Pats...

Hard to find a Ram fan that loves them....

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:01 pm

OK, so we have Eric Dickerson and disliking the Pats when it comes to agreement on football

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:11 pm

Dave wrote:OK, so we have Eric Dickerson and disliking the Pats when it comes to agreement on football

Yes Sir!!!

I also like Manning,Dungy,Harrison and Edge.....

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:13 pm

Anyone up for a champ. game preview in Madden after the game?

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:17 pm

Zep, depends on who is in it. I'll possibly play as the visitors in Pitt. I've only taken Madden online once and Peyton got hurt on my first drive, so I quit!

XXXIV, got my ED throwback (1991).

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:18 pm

f***.

The In_ianap_lis C_lts sucked today.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:29 pm

The Pats are playing great defense, especially the LBs. But the weather has severely limited the Colts. Their passing game is constricted much more than it would otherwise be. Sure the Pats are bringing a lot of pressure but I can't even recall one pass attempt in the air longer than 20 yards.

Perhaps the Colts had a conservative game plan because of the weather and because last year, they had so many turnovers. They may however have played right into the Pats' hands.

Pats are conceding a lot of the short passes but the Colts WRs are going down quickly after catches and they are getting virtually no RAC opportunities. I don't know if it's the footing or the overall weather making them reluctant to try to make plays or if they're intimidated but this high-flying offense is being reduced to 5-15 yard passes.

The Colts defense held in the first half but the possession edge the Pats got led to the eventual breakdown, especially on Dillons long run which set up the second TD.