Are the Steelers the best team in the NFL?

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:40 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
Brando70 wrote:But the highlight of the day for me: The Dave Wannestadt "ah, jeez" face at the end of the Dolphins game.
I'm going to miss those faces when the dipsh*t gets canned either this week or at the end of the season. Please let the Dolphins lure Nick Saban out of the college ranks.

Wanny is the Rich Kotite of the last decade. One of those "how the !@#$ does he still have a job?" coaches. DB, are you just wishful thinking, or is there really a chance to get Saban? If not, you could always grab Steve Spurrier!

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:43 pm

Brando70 wrote:Wanny is the Rich Kotite of the last decade. One of those "how the !@#$ does he still have a job?" coaches. DB, are you just wishful thinking, or is there really a chance to get Saban? If not, you could always grab Steve Spurrier!

Who knows? I'm just hoping for Saban. I actually don't think Spurrier would be a bad fit in Miami. People always give the guy who failed in his first stint in the NFL crap...especially college coaches. But there's this other guy...I believe he's in New England now that fell on his face the first year in the NFL w/ Cleveland as a highly regarded college coach. Now he's widely regarded as the best coach in the game. So there is hope for Steve yet.

Having said that...I think Saban would be a better fit. If Huzienga decides to spend the money, he'll get Nick out of the SEC...I hope.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:12 pm

Do the Dolphins sell out? Don't they want a new stadium or is it the Marlins trying to get out of Joe Robbie?

Huizenga didn't want to spend money for the Marlins. So will he put out the kind of money Spurrier or Gibbs got at Washington?

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:20 pm

They haven't been selling out this year...for obvious reasons (Hurricanes and a sh*tty team). But Wayne has never had a problem putting money into the Dolphins. The stadium is built for football and that's why the Marlins need one for themselves. Apparently Wayne loses money on the Marlines but makes money on the Dolphins, which is basically why he doesn't mind putting money into the latter.

I don't think you'll see Spurrier money but somewhere in the vicinity is certainly expected.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:42 pm

Well, something is definitely screwed up in Miami since Shula left. They hire Jimmy Johnson who in turn coaches for a few years, demands that they hire Wanny as an assistant coach, resigns and Wanny takes over. Dan Marino takes a job with the Dolphins for all of 1 week and now Ricky Williams retires out of nowhere. That's pretty f'n weird if you ask me.

As far as the Steelers are concerned, they are definitely one of the elite teams in the league as of the moment but the Patriots are the defending champs. It should make for some exciting playoff action in the AFC this year though with the Steelers, Patriots, and Colts.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:18 pm

Parker wrote:
XXXIV wrote:I would say the Steelers are the best.

The Pats look pathetic today...without the refs the c***s dont have s***.
Ummmm ya. Give one example of a call that incorrectly went our way. The Rams were lucky to have 22 points. Your RB did not get the ball to the goalline despite what the refs decided on the challenge. What looked pathetic in that game was the Rams defense.

Any team that relies on their offense has no chance against Belichick. We definitely can score more points than last year. If we can avoid more injury problems in our defense, I'm confident we will win the superbowl again. Though Pittsburgh scares me more than Philly, I'm sure our coaches will have a better plan of attack if we face them again. Philly doesn't worry me at all, we have owned them the last few years.

That was the ranting of a very pissed off and over served Lambie fan.
Its tough coming to the realization that your team is total crap...

Though I would still have to say at this point in the season The Steelers are #1....back to back wins vs the Pats and eagles speak for themselves..
I would have to agree with you 100% that Pats will wind up winning it all.
I would never bet against Belichick.

jujuhound76 · Post by **jujuhound76** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:39 pm

Parker wrote:Philly doesn't worry me at all, we have owned them the last few years.

They have played only one time in the regular/post season in the past few years. One win and the Pats own them? Unless you are counting preseason games which is laughable.

Besides, McNabb is a much different QB than he was when the Patriots played him in Game 2 last year. The start of last year was the low point of his career.

I think the Patriots should be concerned with both the Steelers and the Eagles right now. I don't see any other team that can really challenge the Pats in the playoffs, right now. Maybe someone else will get hot in the second half of the season.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:55 pm

Parker wrote:
XXXIV wrote:I would say the Steelers are the best.

The Pats look pathetic today...without the refs the c***s dont have s***.
Ummmm ya. Give one example of a call that incorrectly went our way. The Rams were lucky to have 22 points. Your RB did not get the ball to the goalline despite what the refs decided on the challenge. What looked pathetic in that game was the Rams defense.

Any team that relies on their offense has no chance against Belichick. We definitely can score more points than last year. If we can avoid more injury problems in our defense, I'm confident we will win the superbowl again. Though Pittsburgh scares me more than Philly, I'm sure our coaches will have a better plan of attack if we face them again. Philly doesn't worry me at all, we have owned them the last few years.

New England certainly looks difficult, but anyone who makes blanket predictions in today's NFL is a fool. We're in a league where any team can literally beat anyone. The Pats are super tough, and if push comes to shove, I'd still favor them over the Steelers. But if the two are tied at the end of the year, I've gotta give the Steelers the nod at Ketchup Field. Belichick is an outstanding coach, but Cowher is also one of the most consistent guys around. And it's not like the Pats are blowing teams out.

As for Philly, this is not the same Eagles team of the last few years. They got beat badly yesterday, but they are very tough. They will bounce back from an off day.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:15 pm

Brando70 wrote:New England certainly looks difficult, but anyone who makes blanket predictions in today's NFL is a fool. We're in a league where any team can literally beat anyone.

As proven this past weekend. Of the first 7 games that were completed on Sunday...the dogs won every game.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:27 pm

It looked like the Colts would challenge the Pats earlier in the season. They had been so close that it was a matter of time.

But their defense seems to have regressed and it puts too much pressure on Manning to put up 40+ points to win games.

In the NFC, nobody looks that strong. Seattle looked good but their defense isn't shutting teams out any more. Atlanta could surprise (what a 1-year turnaround) but I think their defense is working on gimmicks as KC's 8 rushing TDs suggested).

Eagles are vulnerable in the LB and CB units. They were vulernable to the run last year and that doesn't seem to have really changed much, despite their record.

It's true about parity though. Carolina and Dallas had their one year ascent and now are both having tough years. But once recovered from injuries and strengthened by high draft picks, they could be at the top again.

You see a vast improvement from San Diego but already, it looks like they may not keep Brees, who's having a terrific year. Yes, the salary cap and parity are clearly in evidence.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:31 pm

In the end, the team that can shut down their oppositions running game and have a running game of their own will most likely prevail. Right now the Patriots have got to tighten up their run defense as do the Colts. The Steelers have done a good job with both so far this season and the kid is controlling the offense and staying away from the turnover. You'd be amazed at the statistics this year involving the winning percentages of teams with 300 + yard passers or 100 + yard receivers compared to those with 100 + yard rushers.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:43 pm

ScoopBrady wrote:You'd be amazed at the statistics this year involving the winning percentages of teams with 300 + yard passers or 100 + yard receivers compared to those with 100 + yard rushers.

You F*ckin' tease...if we're going to be so amazed, why don't you share those statistics with us?

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:01 pm

Eagles are vulnerable in the LB and CB units. They were vulernable to the run last year and that doesn't seem to have really changed much, despite their record.

Are you joking? You did see that Lito Sheppard was NFC defensive player of the month right? Their LB's are fine. Dahani Jones is an upgrade from Carlos Emmons and they have Trotter as a backup...a backup at MLB. Arguably the best FS in the NFL in Brian Dawkins and one of the best SS in the game - Michael Lewis. Their weakness in stopping the run lies in the "D" line. The Eagles "D" line relies on speed because they lack size (Kearse, Burgess, McDougal). The LB's and 2ndary are the least of my worries. I'm betting 98% of the league wishes they had the Eagles "problems". Bottom line, no team is safe in the NFL. You can be beaten on any given Sunday. You are kidding yourself if you think any different.

BTW, my vote for best team in the 1st half goes to Pittsburgh. Keep in mind its only one half. I still thinks the Pats will come out of the AFC.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:17 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
ScoopBrady wrote:You'd be amazed at the statistics this year involving the winning percentages of teams with 300 + yard passers or 100 + yard receivers compared to those with 100 + yard rushers.
You F*ckin' tease...if we're going to be so amazed, why don't you share those statistics with us?

Ok, here's the lines from this week. The whole season has been pretty much following suit.

100 + yards receivers

2 Wins 5 Losses
Win:Pats, Seahawks
Loss:Jets, Lions, Dolphins,Chiefs(2), Rams

300 + yards passers
0-1
Win: none
Loss: Chiefs

100 + yards rushers
8-0
Win: Bills, Redskins, Steelers, Bucs, Bears, Seahawks, Broncos, Patriots

Last week 2 quarterbacks passed for almost 500 yards (Broncos, Colts) and both lost.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:43 pm

And for sh!ts and giggles, here's the previous weeks stats:

100 + yards receivers
2-4
Win: Eagles, Chiefs
Loss: Jags, Colts(2),Panthers(2), Patriots

300 + yards passers
1-2
Win:Chiefs
Loss: Colts, Broncos

100 + yards rushers
8-0
Win: Bills, Titans, Giants, Chiefs, Seahawks, Falcons, Steelers, Jets(2)
Loss: none

So combined, the last 2 weeks are as follows:
WR's - 4-9
QB's - 1-3
RB's - 16-0

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:56 pm

Diablo25 wrote:
Eagles are vulnerable in the LB and CB units. They were vulernable to the run last year and that doesn't seem to have really changed much, despite their record.
Are you joking? You did see that Lito Sheppard was NFC defensive player of the month right? Their LB's are fine. Dahani Jones is an upgrade from Carlos Emmons and they have Trotter as a backup...a backup at MLB. Arguably the best FS in the NFL in Brian Dawkins and one of the best SS in the game - Michael Lewis. Their weakness in stopping the run lies in the "D" line. The Eagles "D" line relies on speed because they lack size (Kearse, Burgess, McDougal). The LB's and 2ndary are the least of my worries. I'm betting 98% of the league wishes they had the Eagles "problems". Bottom line, no team is safe in the NFL. You can be beaten on any given Sunday. You are kidding yourself if you think any different.

BTW, my vote for best team in the 1st half goes to Pittsburgh. Keep in mind its only one half. I still thinks the Pats will come out of the AFC.

All I know is they're giving up a generous 4.7 yards per rush, before the Pittsburgh game. That was the question against their D last year, before they lost Taylor and Vincent.

If you want to put that on the DL rather than the LBs, that's fine. What about Simon, isn't he a stud in the middle?

Notice I said CBs not DBs. But if they continue to give up a lot of rushing yards, teams will try to attack the Eagles on the ground, rather than pass against those blitzes.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:48 pm

ScoopBrady wrote:And for sh!ts and giggles, here's the previous weeks stats:

100 + yards receivers
2-4
Win: Eagles, Chiefs
Loss: Jags, Colts(2),Panthers(2), Patriots

300 + yards passers
1-2
Win:Chiefs
Loss: Colts, Broncos

100 + yards rushers
8-0
Win: Bills, Titans, Giants, Chiefs, Seahawks, Falcons, Steelers, Jets(2)
Loss: none

So combined, the last 2 weeks are as follows:
WR's - 4-9
QB's - 1-3
RB's - 16-0

"We play fast and Furious. If you dont like it you can get yourselves a new coach"
Moron Mike Martz.

Somebody explain these stats to the genius down in StLouis.