Weaver2005 wrote:As I said before, if the Yanks blow this, this would be the biggest Choke job in all of sports history, not just baseball. A roster like that blowing a 3-0 game lead, amazing.
You know, I totally get where you're coming from with that sentiment, but for some reason I just don't feel that way. Maybe it's because I expected it to go seven; maybe it's because the two teams are so equal; maybe it's because I'm conditioned to expect all sorts of new and wacky twists to emerge when these two teams play...
I just don't get the 'monumental choke' feeling.
It almost seems like no matter who wins tomorrow, I'll simply have a 'Yep, that's the way it was supposed to go' feeling.
Parker wrote:The Yanks are really a classy bunch of professional players, aren't they?
That's just ridiculous. The Yankees are one of the classiest organizations on the face of the earth. Simply an isolated incident...
Hell, I hate the Yankees, but I can at least admit that they've got a great organization. Anyone who says otherwise is just a misinformed hater. Parker, please stand up.
webdanzer wrote:I just don't get the 'monumental choke' feeling.
You're a Yankee fan, of course you don't get that feeling. I thought a 2-1 series lead in '96 against the Yanks, and up 6-3 in game 4 was a HUGE choke. I can at least admit that as a Braves fan. This is 10x worse because all you have to do is win ONE game out of FOUR. It's still not over, but it's already a pretty big choke job...now they just gotta get the hymleck while there is still time.
Parker, it reached a game 7. Feel free to yap away and good luck.
I have such mixed feeling about this series. On one hand I am a Cubs and White Sox fan so I feel like f$#k the Red Sox, if we're gonna lose let them lose too. On the other hand I really hate the Yankees and despise A-Rod. Plus if Felix Heredia ever won a World Series I'd cry.
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Parker wrote:The Yanks are really a classy bunch of professional players, aren't they?
That's just ridiculous. The Yankees are one of the classiest organizations on the face of the earth. Simply an isolated incident...
Hell, I hate the Yankees, but I can at least admit that they've got a great organization. Anyone who says otherwise is just a misinformed hater. Parker, please stand up.
A great organization that is run by a tyrant who will fire an employee if they give a cross look and who will use strongarm tactics to sign players? They don't call it the Evil Empire for nothing.
dbdynsty25 wrote:
You're a Yankee fan, of course you don't get that feeling. I thought a 2-1 series lead in '96 against the Yanks, and up 6-3 in game 4 was a HUGE choke. I can at least admit that as a Braves fan. This is 10x worse because all you have to do is win ONE game out of FOUR. It's still not over, but it's already a pretty big choke job...now they just gotta get the hymleck while there is still time.
I'm also an Eagles fan, and can easily accept bouncy-ball McNabb's choke jobs. But in the '96 Series, the Braves were obviously seen as the better team and favored by most to win. Here, I saw the two teams as equals. I think that's why it doesn't feel as bad to me even if the Yanks lose game seven tomorrow. Of course, Steinbrenner will fire everyone...
To stay on that note, though, as a Yanks fan, I can easily point to that Leyritz hr as a huge turning point for the team...so I can see Boston doing likewise in the next few years if they pull this one out.
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By the way, the blood on Schilling's sock was indeed blood. From a surgical surturing job they did on his ankle just to pitch. What an amazing pitcher. I'd like to see Pussina go through such torment to pitch. He won't go if he can't have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich before gametime.
That Keith Foulke guy is unhittable. He's been the MVP of this series.
Why didn't Torre pinch run for Sierra in the 9th? He was the tying run on first and he is no speedster. That's an indication of where the Yanks are in 2004, big ball all the way. It's the HR or nothing. And not one player tried to test Schilling with a bunt through 7 innings.
It's pathetic that with their salary, there isn't one bench player Torre feels confident in to bring in in a key situation. We are a deeper team in every regard which is why we will win.
Parker wrote:It's pathetic that with their salary, there isn't one bench player Torre feels confident in to bring in in a key situation. We are a deeper team in every regard which is why we will win.
Speaking of pathetic. aren't you the guy that raised the white flag just a few days ago?
spooky157 wrote:That Keith Foulke guy is unhittable. He's been the MVP of this series.
Why didn't Torre pinch run for Sierra in the 9th?
He was definitely out of gas. His fastball was around 88-89 and he kept throwing outside because he knew anything inside would get ripped. It was amazing how he mixed fastballs with changeups to get Bernie. Although everybody that went up after Matsui should have been waiting on those outside fastballs and just going the other way. Instead the guys were trying to end it on one pitch.
I've stayed out of this thread (I'm a die-hard Yankee fan), and after game 3 I was still worried that it would go seven. My original prediction was Yanks in 7 (not in this thread) and I stand by that....I just hope it happens. And I reallllly hope that Torre stars El Duque. Brown is a complete freak whereas El Duque is a clutch pitcher. If we can get five out of him, that'll be great.
As for ARod, he should have slid. The first baseman was in the basepath and even if he tried to make an early slide at the base, with the first baseman obstructing he would have gotten first on the play. Tough to make that decision in a bang bang play, but it's better than whacking at the ball in a pretty obvious manner.
Parker wrote:Right, any halfway objective person concluded it was Zimmer's own fault he landed on his butt after seeing the tape.
I hate the Yankees.
But dude, you are so annoying that I considered routing for them in game seven, but that only lastyed a second or two.
What I don't get is did A-rod not know that was an illegal thing to do? It amazes me that so many players don't know the rules, or grasp simple concepts such as bunting.
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I think A-Rod knew, because when he was trying to argue with the ump he make a running motion as if to say "It was just in the natural run that I hit him...and it definitely wasn't on purpose." He knew, and was just hoping that no one saw it. Slide, or fake it better.
But dude, you are so annoying that I considered routing for them in game seven, but that only lastyed a second or two.
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What I don't get is did A-rod not know that was an illegal thing to do?
He knew what he did was wrong afterwards, but it's not like you are going to admit it to the umps. He screwed up and was only left to argue that he did not do it on purpose and was part of the running motion. The swipe took away a run, so of course he is going to fight it no matter how bad it looked in the replays (something the umps did not have access to). Like Jared said it is a split second decision when it is happening on the field, sometimes the brain has a lapse. As for the rules how about the umpire at first base who called A-Rod safe before he ever touched the base (and was already past it). That to me was worse then what A-Rod did.
They reversed two bad calls correctly. For that they get two thumbs up.
bdoughty wrote:As for the rules how about the umpire at first base who called A-Rod safe before he ever touched the base (and was already past it). That to me was worse then what A-Rod did.
They reversed two bad calls correctly. For that they get two thumbs up.
I thought the ump was signaling that he didn't touch the base with that safe signal, but now having seen it again and having thought about it he should have made no signal if he hadn't touched the base.
I thought the HR was an unbelievable blown call. How do you miss that it hit someone in the stomach!
But you're right at least they fixed it.
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High marks to the Red Sox for pluck and persistence. Schilling was a wounded animal tonight, pitching his balls off.
Umps got both controversial calls correct, too. Props to them on the corrections. A-Rod clearly was trying to pluck the ball away. But it's not lack of class -- it's called gamesmanship in a desperate situation. And I would say the same thing if Trot Nixon tried the stunt, too. It's called trying to do anything to get a win in a desperate situation.
A-Rod was caught. The right call was made. No harm, no foul. The incident actually provided the rare play stoppage in baseball that meant something.
Game 7 will be pretty damn interesting. We'll see how the Yanks respond to pressure, because it's all on them now. But I still think they'll win.
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Parker wrote:Right, any halfway objective person concluded it was Zimmer's own fault he landed on his butt after seeing the tape.
I hate the Yankees.
But dude, you are so annoying that I considered routing for them in game seven, but that only lastyed a second or two.
What I don't get is did A-rod not know that was an illegal thing to do? It amazes me that so many players don't know the rules, or grasp simple concepts such as bunting.
What's funny is that when I was playing High School ball, I had the same thing happen to me. I was playing SS and the other team got a hit where the runner on first was trying to go to 3rd. The runner tripped over second, I got the relay throw, and ran to the runner to tag him out. The runner got up, swatted the ball out of my glove when I tagged him, got to third, and the ump called him safe.
My coach and I argued the call but the ump said it was legal. So until tonight, I thought that was a legal play. Decades later I feel vindicated that I was correct and screwed out of a call
What I don't get about that whole A-Rod thing is this: Why didn't Jeter go to second instead of first after the call was reversed? I mean they clearly didn't have a play at second for him so he only took third and home as a result of A-Rod's interference. I thought he should have been on second after that play. Am I crazy for thinking that?
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ScoopBrady wrote:What I don't get about that whole A-Rod thing is this: Why didn't Jeter go to second instead of first after the call was reversed? I mean they clearly didn't have a play at second for him so he only took third and home as a result of A-Rod's interference. I thought he should have been on second after that play. Am I crazy for thinking that?
I think it's because you can't assume anything. A-rod intentionally interfered with a ball in play. It's like they are being punished for attempting to cheat. I have no idea what the rules really are, i'm just throwing something out there.
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ScoopBrady wrote:What I don't get about that whole A-Rod thing is this: Why didn't Jeter go to second instead of first after the call was reversed? I mean they clearly didn't have a play at second for him so he only took third and home as a result of A-Rod's interference. I thought he should have been on second after that play. Am I crazy for thinking that?
The actual rule is that runners go back to their bases when interference is called. The reason behind the rule, as near as I can tell from the cryptic rule book, is that it is simply a penalty for intentional interference and doesn't really have anything to with the situation on the field. Think football, you can hold away from the play and not have any impact on it (say a WR holding a DB on a run to the other side) but instead of letting the play stand and then moving you back 10 yards, part of the penalty is that the play doesn't count. Jeter almost certainly makes it to second if A-Rod interferes or not, but part of the penalty for A-Rod's interference is that Jeter and anyone else had they been on base has to go back.
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Schilling was a warrior. If anyone could be called a clutch player for the Red Sox it's Schilling. To pitch the way he did in a must win situation,the man has heart.
If it wasn't for the arrogant resident Red Sox fan on this board I would be happy to see the Sox win. Parker you gave up on your boys and changed your avatar. You stopped with the "we" and "us" posts until the Sox got their first win. You lost all credibility as a true Red Sox fan when you bailed before it was truly over. Shame on you. 3-3 and your a blowhard again.
By the way,A-Rods play was very smart. What did he have to loose by swatting the ball out of Brinko Aggapes glove? Get called out? It almost worked. Crafty play in a tight situation.
Anyhow,to all the true Red Sox fans here at DSP. Congratulations! They fought back to give us baseball fans a game 7.
F*ck all that "Evil Empire"and "Choke Sox" $hit and lets hope game 7 is a classic.
