MLB Season 2010

vinny-b · Post by **vinny-b** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:34 pm

10spro wrote:Don't know what an apology would do for Galarraga at this point as he was robbed of perfection and history in the books. Tough break.

word.

to helll with that. It needs to be reversed by Selig

completely unacceptable

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10spro · Post by **10spro** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:16 am

Ken Griffey Jr retires. Good guy.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:17 am

vinny-b wrote:
10spro wrote:Don't know what an apology would do for Galarraga at this point as he was robbed of perfection and history in the books. Tough break.
word.

to helll with that. It needs to be reversed by Selig

completely unacceptable

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No doubt, will he have the cajunas to do so?

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:26 am

10spro wrote:
vinny-b wrote:
10spro wrote:Don't know what an apology would do for Galarraga at this point as he was robbed of perfection and history in the books. Tough break.
word.

to helll with that. It needs to be reversed by Selig

completely unacceptable

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No doubt, will he have the cajunas to do so?

File under: Never happening... (nor should he). What if (somehow) CLE came back to win after the blown call? Do you still give DET the win? What if that call happened in the 3rd and he perfect afterward? The drama was that it was the last out, it sucked, and it's time for replay. End of story.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:04 am

tmdba37 wrote:Another reason to hate all umpires. . .everywhere. . .they all suck on principle.

This call will lead to full blown replay because there just cannot be anymore blind and foolish calls like this anymore. . .it's just pointless to let these smug and haughty umps ruin games and history. . .

I agree they need replay and umps can be arrogant asses, but Joyce just made a mistake. A huge mistake, no doubt, but those things happen. Like Gregg said, this is amplified as much because of when it happened. The mind plays tricks and I believe him when he says that, in real time, he thought the runner was safe.

I think they should use a system similar to the NFL and let managers challenge or let a booth umpire review when needed. I'd keep balls/strikes out of review consideration but allow review of everything else. Baseball already has a bunch of stoppages, what's a few more if it helps get a call correct?

The irony is that this call will make Galarraga's "perfect" game more memorable than if he'd thrown an official one.

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:25 am

Brando70 wrote: The irony is that this call will make Galarraga's "perfect" game more memorable than if he'd thrown an official one.

Yeah, it's already being talked about way more than the other two perfectos this year.

I thought Galarraga showed a lot of class not going ballistic, even in his comments after the game.

I feel bad for Joyce. He made a mistake, but he admitted it, and apologized, there was no arrogance on his part. Nobody feels worse about it than him.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:37 am

lexbur wrote:
Brando70 wrote: The irony is that this call will make Galarraga's "perfect" game more memorable than if he'd thrown an official one.
Yeah, it's already being talked about way more than the other two perfectos this year.

I thought Galarraga showed a lot of class not going ballistic, even in his comments after the game.

I feel bad for Joyce. He made a mistake, but he admitted it, and apologized, there was no arrogance on his part. Nobody feels worse about it than him.

It actually seemed he already knew on the field that he had blowned the call.

You really have to feel bad for both parties here. We can hate on umpires all we want, but you really can't say the man actually wanted this type of attention.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:05 am

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:
lexbur wrote:
Brando70 wrote: The irony is that this call will make Galarraga's "perfect" game more memorable than if he'd thrown an official one.
Yeah, it's already being talked about way more than the other two perfectos this year.

I thought Galarraga showed a lot of class not going ballistic, even in his comments after the game.

I feel bad for Joyce. He made a mistake, but he admitted it, and apologized, there was no arrogance on his part. Nobody feels worse about it than him.
It actually seemed he already knew on the field that he had blowned the call.

You really have to feel bad for both parties here. We can hate on umpires all we want, but you really can't say the man actually wanted this type of attention.

There was a slight pause before he called him safe. He'll play that moment over & over in his mind. The sheer fact he didn't toss Magglio after Magglio ripped him to his face for 5 mins was pretty telling that he knew he blew it. It's odd that he wouldn't just call him out & be the ump that gave away a perfect game than risk being the ump who took it away. It was all 'heat of moment'... (telling ya what your heart meant!!)

AJColossal · Post by **AJColossal** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:08 am

So what would have been so horrible about just calling him out in that decision? Obviously, the ump wasn't sure, and it was a bang-bang play, so given the circumstances, just call him out. Even if you thought it was a coin-toss. No one would have had a problem with that.

Although, I like the thought that someone else mentioned that this makes this "perfect" game more memorable than the others.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:58 am

AJColossal wrote: Although, I like the thought that someone else mentioned that this makes this "perfect" game more memorable than the others.

It has ESPY written all over it.

tmdba37 · Post by **tmdba37** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:24 pm

Brando70 wrote:
tmdba37 wrote:Another reason to hate all umpires. . .everywhere. . .they all suck on principle.

This call will lead to full blown replay because there just cannot be anymore blind and foolish calls like this anymore. . .it's just pointless to let these smug and haughty umps ruin games and history. . .
I agree they need replay and umps can be arrogant asses, but Joyce just made a mistake. A huge mistake, no doubt, but those things happen. Like Gregg said, this is amplified as much because of when it happened. The mind plays tricks and I believe him when he says that, in real time, he thought the runner was safe.

I think they should use a system similar to the NFL and let managers challenge or let a booth umpire review when needed. I'd keep balls/strikes out of review consideration but allow review of everything else. Baseball already has a bunch of stoppages, what's a few more if it helps get a call correct?

The irony is that this call will make Galarraga's "perfect" game more memorable than if he'd thrown an official one.

I probably didn't explain myself as well as I should have as I was quickly typing this inbetween periods during the Hawks-Flyers game. . .

What drives me up a wall is that umpires should want and demand instant replay. The idea that mistakes do happen and should be final with the power of instant replay and often times 6-8 different views of these plays is what drives me nuts. Anytime they get something wrong, it should be corrected on plays where it makes sense.

Far too often MLB umpires take the game into their hands for no reason. . .bad check swing calls by the home plate ump without checking with the base umpires. . .out of position calls. . .not conferring with their colleagues. . .Joe West in general. To me their charge should be to get things right and they know that the technology is there to make their jobs easier and they should be the first ones in line asking for it.

While I admire Joyce for calling himself out and apologizing for his error, I would also call for him to say you know, if we had replay this bone-headed thing is reversed and this is a non-story (well the third perfect game of 2010 would still be a story of course. . .

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Now, I am happy that Pud Selig did not reverse the call, that would have opened a pandora's box of epic proportions, but to hear that he and his executive team is reevaulating the whole kit and kaboodle on replay is huge. I hope they make the right decision and move baseball that much closer to the 21st Century. . .

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:16 am

Classy reception from the Tigers fans today after J. Rice acknowledged his monumental error. He looked emotional and clearly felt bad for Galarraga.

Doesn't Rice resemble a lot to Goose Gossage?

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:00 am

Well his name is Jim Joyce, not Jim Rice...and he appears to cry too much.

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:53 pm

Finally, SOMETHING to make interleague play worth a damn... Strasburg's second start figures to be here in Cleveland.

Geeze, if his first two starts are against the Pirates and Tribe, he's going to think he's still in triple-A.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:36 pm

I'll tell you what....Joyce has b@lls the size of watermellons to make that "safe" call in that situation. You would think anything relatively close in that situation would garner an "out" call? Gallaraga was also very classy during the whole thing. He just kind of smiled a "are u kidding me" smile at Joyce. How many other pitchers would have thrown a tantrum in that same situation?

Selig COULD NOT overturn the umpire's call. It would have opened a gigantic can of worms. That said......baseball needs to consider some time of instant replay on close calls like this. Everyone's goal should be the same......to get the call correct. Not on balls and strikes....just on close plays in the field. Each manager could get 3 replays to use per game or something like that.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:54 pm

JackB1 wrote:How many other pitchers would have thrown a tantrum in that same situation?

Imagine Roger Clemens or Joaquín Andújar!

Gangrel · Post by **Gangrel** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:23 pm

lexbur wrote:Finally, SOMETHING to make interleague play worth a damn... Strasburg's second start figures to be here in Cleveland.

Geeze, if his first two starts are against the Pirates and Tribe, he's going to think he's still in triple-A.

As a Nats fan living in Canada, I wish I could see the game on TV..... I'll have to scour the interwebs for a streaming site. But I'm definately excited by Strasburg, and even more excited and pleasently surprised by how well the Nats are playing this year.

Amazing what you can do with a competent bullpen!!!!

Gangrel · Post by **Gangrel** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:20 pm

Strasburg = WOW

And this is only from watching the highlights online. 101 mph fastball? a 97 mph sinker? A filthy looking curve?

14 Ks in your debut and a win will almost make him worth the 15 mil contract!

Course, now to see if it stays this way or hitters figure him out.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:22 pm

Gangrel wrote:Strasburg = WOW

And this is only from watching the highlights online. 101 mph fastball? a 97 mph sinker? A filthy looking curve?

14 Ks in your debut and a win will almost make him worth the 15 mil contract!

Course, now to see if it stays this way or hitters figure him out.

Impressive debut. That curve is nasty, good looking future.

vinny-b · Post by **vinny-b** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:02 am

Gangrel wrote:Strasburg = WOW

And this is only from watching the highlights online. 101 mph fastball? a 97 mph sinker? A filthy looking curve?

14 Ks in your debut and a win will almost make him worth the 15 mil contract!

Course, now to see if it stays this way or hitters figure him out.

hitters cannot figure this type of repitoire. Well, not unless the hitter's name is Ted Williams

hopefully he will remain healthy

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Gangrel · Post by **Gangrel** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:26 pm

Ya, that's the biggie. A guy at work said he expects Stras to need Tommy John surgery in a year or two. I dunno..... seemed pretty strong to me!

It'll be interesting to see, that's for sure.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:29 pm

Gangrel wrote:Ya, that's the biggie. A guy at work said he expects Stras to need Tommy John surgery in a year or two. I dunno..... seemed pretty strong to me!

It'll be interesting to see, that's for sure.

There are quite a few sites that criticize his mechanics and how poor they are. Here's one of my favorite sites:

http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2008/ ... en-strasbu

Compare that to the breakdown of my boy Tommy Hanson...and we know who should be around longer.

http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2008/ ... cs-tommy-h

vinny-b · Post by **vinny-b** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:12 pm

from my NYY site: (file under: Steve Phillips)

"Steve Phillips was on Mike Francessa’s show a week ago and talked about the Nats trading Strasburg to the Astros for Oswalt because you never know if this guy is going to live up to the hype and you have a chance to win right now"

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snaz16 · Post by **snaz16** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:29 pm

vinny-b wrote:from my NYY site: (file under: Steve Phillips)

"Steve Phillips was on Mike Francessa’s show a week ago and talked about the Nats trading Strasburg to the Astros for Oswalt because you never know if this guy is going to live up to the hype and you have a chance to win right now"

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And now you know why Steve Phillips was fired as GM of the Mets and fired from ESPN,(along with his infedelity)

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:42 am

Nats at the Tribe this weekend! I'm anxious to see this phenom that just got called up from triple-A that everyone's been raving about ... Carlos Santana! (Who did you think I was talking about?)

The Tribe had sold 19,000 tickets to Sunday's game. When it became official Strasburg was pitching they sold 8,000 more, and of course that doesn't include all the walkups they'll get (like me). I'd love to see the Tribe light him up, maybe Santana have a big debut and steal some of his thunder, but I'm not holding my breath.

Should be a fun weekend!