sportdan30 wrote:The question I'd like to know is where did these house pets come from? Were they stolen out of peoples yards? No mention of that in the story.
It just says "pets". I doesn't say who the "pets" belonged to.
But it is common knowledge that dog fighters use non-pitbull
breeds from shelters or stolen from people's backyards to use
as "bait" for their fighting dogs to train on.
Haven't read the story, but I did look at the pictures. There's no way in hell I would bring one of those dogs in to a family with a young child. Those dogs have been physically abused and it would scare the absolute crap out of me to have one of them close to a child. I couldn't imagine ever letting my child go over to a friend's house who has a pitbull as a pet. Now, I know it's all in the way you raise the dog, but there have been too many horror stories involving this breed of dog. They still have a strong tendency to defend and be violent.
I'm not sure what the best course of action should have been for these dogs. It's a very sad situation, but I'm sorry I just don't believe these dogs are now nice domesticated animals after what they went through.
When I first heard about Vick's fighting pit bulls, I assumed that most of them were huge, creepy looking dogs. Not that made what Vick put them thru any more defensible, but seeing how much some of these "pit bulls" look like the Staffordshire Bull Terriers I grew up with does make me even happier that all but four of the 51 dogs were able to be saved.
Feanor wrote:When I first heard about Vick's fighting pit bulls, I assumed that most of them were huge, creepy looking dogs. Not that made what Vick put them thru any more defensible, but seeing how much some of these "pit bulls" look like the Staffordshire Bull Terriers I grew up with does make me even happier that all but four of the 51 dogs were able to be saved.
Well you have to take things in context. You can make anything look cute in a picture. I am sure SI did everything they could to make them look cute and cuddly.
sportdan30 wrote:Haven't read the story, but I did look at the pictures. There's no way in hell I would bring one of those dogs in to a family with a young child. Those dogs have been physically abused and it would scare the absolute crap out of me to have one of them close to a child. I couldn't imagine ever letting my child go over to a friend's house who has a pitbull as a pet. Now, I know it's all in the way you raise the dog, but there have been too many horror stories involving this breed of dog. They still have a strong tendency to defend and be violent.
I'm not sure what the best course of action should have been for these dogs. It's a very sad situation, but I'm sorry I just don't believe these dogs are now nice domesticated animals after what they went through.
I am so glad these dogs were given a second chance at life. With Vick, their life consisted of fighting, training, being drugged, tortured, force bred, etc. I watched a special on "Dogtown" about some of these dogs that were rehabilitated and it was inspiring. These dogs bear no hatred towards humans but some still have difficulties around other dogs.
I agree, it takes a special person to take in one of these dogs and I too would be a little afraid to have one of them around my kids. The mental
damage that was already done is hard to undo.
Hopefully one day there won't be a market for watching dogs rip each other apart for money and amusement. It's a despicable practice and there are studies that prove that people that show no remorse towards torturing animals can pretty easily make the jump to humans.
sportdan30 wrote:I'm not sure what the best course of action should have been for these dogs. It's a very sad situation, but I'm sorry I just don't believe these dogs are now nice domesticated animals after what they went through.
Best course of action is to put them down. I'm sorry but they are dogs, and ones that could attack for any reason.
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sportdan30 wrote:I'm not sure what the best course of action should have been for these dogs. It's a very sad situation, but I'm sorry I just don't believe these dogs are now nice domesticated animals after what they went through.
Best course of action is to put them down. I'm sorry but they are dogs, and ones that could attack for any reason.
Ding-ding! Winner of a post. Anyone who brings these animals -- whose natural aggressiveness was magnified by dog fighting -- into a family with kids is just as dumb as Vick.
Pit bulls bred and trained to fight are NOT domestic animals. Period. We're not talking greyhounds or old thoroughbreds here.
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pk500 wrote:Anyone who brings these animals -- whose natural aggressiveness was magnified by dog fighting -- into a family with kids is just as dumb as Vick.
Pit bulls bred and trained to fight are NOT domestic animals. Period.
Yup. I have to say that I was cringing as I saw some of the children in those pics....
pk500 wrote:Anyone who brings these animals -- whose natural aggressiveness was magnified by dog fighting -- into a family with kids is just as dumb as Vick.
Pit bulls bred and trained to fight are NOT domestic animals. Period.
Yup. I have to say that I was cringing as I saw some of the children in those pics....
Exactly. I'm guessing most of the idiots with children who adopted these dogs did it more for the "cache" of owning one of Mike Vick's animals instead of true love for canines.
In other words, they're just as big of a moron as Vick.
Take care,
PK
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pk500 wrote:Exactly. I'm guessing most of the idiots with children who adopted these dogs did it more for the "cache" of owning one of Mike Vick's animals instead of true love for canines.
In other words, they're just as big of a moron as Vick.
Take care,
PK
Somebody who genuinely believes that the dog they are bringing into their home has been rehabilitated and is not a threat, is as big a moron as a guy who tortured dogs to death? No.
pk500 wrote:Exactly. I'm guessing most of the idiots with children who adopted these dogs did it more for the "cache" of owning one of Mike Vick's animals instead of true love for canines.
In other words, they're just as big of a moron as Vick.
Take care,
PK
Somebody who genuinely believes that the dog they are bringing into their home has been rehabilitated and is not a threat, is as big a moron as a guy who tortured dogs to death? No.
I am a dog lover (all dogs), that said, I agree with PK. Anyone with a young child that owns a pit bull is a moron to begin with. You have to look out for your children first, other species second. To take in an animal that was bred to be a dog fighter, just takes the stupidity to a whole, nother, level.
That said there are numerous places that these animals can live out their lives, without the need to be put down, yet not be a danger to those around them.
You may as well change "pit bull" to "dog" because young children get attacked by all sorts of dogs. My wife's friend at work had her Labrador put down just this weekend for biting her baby on the finger.
Feanor wrote:You may as well change "pit bull" to "dog" because young children get attacked by all sorts of dogs. My wife's friend at work had her Labrador put down just this weekend for biting her baby on the finger.
Nope, to say that is silly, acting as if all dogs have the same chance of doing so. There is a far greater chance that a pit bull will attack a child, compared to a Labrador. That is really rare as Labs are commonly known to be one of the best large breed animals to have around children. There is a chance your child could be bitten by a tiny bug, get an infectious disease and die. You can't bubble wrap your children and expect them to make it through life unscaved. You can use a little common sense and try to do things to protect your child by eliminating high risk dangers.
Having any dog around your young children is an infinitely higher risk than having no dog. Pit Bulls (and Rottweilers) are statistically much more likely to bite humans than other breeds, but as all the pit bulls featured in this story have been neutered and gone thru extensive rehabilitation and training, I doubt any of them will be appearing in any "Vick's former dog attacks child" headlines.
I think banning the pit bull breed and a mass sterilization campaign would be good because, unfortunately, so many gangbanger types mistreat pitbulls and turn them into timebombs or use them as weapons. So I imagine the amount of other crimes that would be prevented if cops could arrest any person caught with an in-tact pit bull would be substantial.
Feanor wrote:My wife's friend at work had her Labrador put down just this weekend for biting her baby on the finger.
Wow, that's harsh. You didn't mention the circumstances surrounding the bite on the finger, but 9/10 I suspect that bites like that are the child's fault, not the dog's fault.
The parent probably wasn't paying attention and the baby maybe disturbed the dog while eating, sleeping, etc... No reason to put the dog down IMO, just a simple accident. It's not like the dog is going to turn into Cujo or something after that. I have two dogs, and all 3 of my kids had to learn the hard way (even after close supervision and training them around the animals) that you never touch a dog when it's sleeping or eating. All 3 have been nipped at. It's not the dog's fault, and my kids are fine. Lesson learned for them, fortunately they learned it at home with their family pet who showed some restraint while being startled... and not at a friends house with an unfamiliar dog that could have scarred them for life.
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pk500 wrote:Exactly. I'm guessing most of the idiots with children who adopted these dogs did it more for the "cache" of owning one of Mike Vick's animals instead of true love for canines.
In other words, they're just as big of a moron as Vick.
Take care,
PK
Somebody who genuinely believes that the dog they are bringing into their home has been rehabilitated and is not a threat, is as big a moron as a guy who tortured dogs to death? No.
Yes, they are as big as a moron as Vick. At least Vick didn't risk the lives of innocent children in his barbaric dogfighting. An idiot who thinks that an animal that just a year ago was engaged in a regular combat is now rehabilitated and is safe around children is a f*cking moron because they are are literally risking the health, and possibly the life, of their child by having this dog in the home.
Protecting your child is the most important thing in the world, much more important than the welfare of dog.
Take care,
PK
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Feanor wrote:You may as well change "pit bull" to "dog" because young children get attacked by all sorts of dogs. My wife's friend at work had her Labrador put down just this weekend for biting her baby on the finger.
You can't honestly compare a Labrador to a pit bull. Labradors are generally gentle dogs, not bred to kill or aggressive by nature.
Comparing a Labrador to a pit bull is like comparing a BB gun to an Uzi. Both are weapons, but one that is clearly more deadly and designed for maximum damage than the other.
Pit bulls are basically wild, savage animals that can snap at any time. Remember, Siegfried and Roy thought their white tigers were house pets, too.
Take care,
PK
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pk500 wrote:
Yes, they are as big as a moron as Vick. At least Vick didn't risk the lives of innocent children in his barbaric dogfighting. An idiot who thinks that an animal that just a year ago was engaged in a regular combat is now rehabilitated and is safe around children is a f*cking moron because they are are literally risking the health, and possibly the life, of their child by having this dog in the home.
Protecting your child is the most important thing in the world, much more important than the welfare of dog.
Well, my son was scarred on his face at age 3 from a black Lab bite, completely unprovoked. He simply walked past the dog, which then attacked him.
My sister-in-law didn't put the dog down. I told her that I don't ever want to see that dog near my children again, and if it snapped at one of my children, I would turn it into an area rug within five minutes and face the consequences later.
She understood, and the dog is always locked in the basement or upstairs whenever we visit. It's a shame that dog didn't have an intimate meeting with the wheels of the UPS truck, but it's my sister-in-law's pet, so I have a small, hanging thread of understanding regarding that piece of canine sh*t.
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PK
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Labs are known as "family dogs", but I saw something on the learning channel a few weeks back that talked about that being a misnomer in that they're one of the leading breeds for dog attacks on children (likely, because of the large number of them as family pets compared to other breeds, but still.....)
ANY dog can attack a child, even the most docile animal. I don't recommend any child under 3 or 4 be around a dog at any time alone.
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You didn't mention the circumstances surrounding the bite on the finger, but 9/10 I suspect that bites like that are the child's fault, not the dog's fault. 
