OT: Election/Politics thread, Part 6

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:08 pm

I had a feeling the pizza comment would offend some but I can only base it off what I ate. I do not recall the names of the places, just recommendations from the people I was working for and the pizza they brought in while we worked. They were all White Sox fans, if that matters.

Sonic is okay but not in the class of Whataburger, as far as the burger is concerned (we will just have to agree to disagree).

Sonic is good for cheap drinks (2-5) some good ice cream and they have little deserts bits that are tasty. The toasters are okay but the real plus to Sonic is the ability to order breakfast all day. I am pretty well versed with Sonic as we have 10 of them in Lubbock.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:11 pm

Brando70 wrote: No kidding. It's like saying, "You know what, blow jobs are overrated."

LOL

I can understand someone preferring ultra-thin classic pizza to deep dish or stuffed. They're really like two different foods and both have their merits. But to dismiss out of hand Uno's, Gino's East, My Pi, Giordano's, Lou Malnotti's etc., is nuts!

Edit:

Sox fans may well have sent you to Connies, which is a South Side institution. Unfortunately it's a shell of the place that existed 20 years ago. They've expanded like crazy and significantly dropped the quality of their product. They use inferior cheese and toppings/fillings, particularly sausage. It's a damn shame because it used to be a Top 5 place.

Naples39 · Post by **Naples39** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:21 pm

I'm not afraid to come out and say it; I hate chicago style pizza. Never had it anywhere where I liked it, including my trip to chicago a few years ago.

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:22 pm

TheGamer wrote: As far as Chicago pizza being overrated, I tend to agree when it comes to the deep dish/thick crust. Too much bread for my tastes.

I'm in this group as well. During my several trips to the area back when I worked for a company who was HQ'ed there, the pizza experiences were the single most disappointing thing from each trip.

/tried several places
//NY Style fan

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:24 pm

Any discussion of fast-food burgers starts and ends with In-N-Out.

I'm an East Coaster, through and through, but there is NO fast-food burger that can approach a Double Double with cheese. Nothing.

You West Coast cats live in burger nirvana.

Take care,
PK

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:26 pm

NY-style pizza is the only way to go. I want pizza, not a loaf of bread with sauce and toppings on it.

Take care,
PK

TheGamer · Post by **TheGamer** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:29 pm

But to dismiss out of hand Uno's, Gino's East, My Pi, Giordano's, Lou Malnotti's etc., is nuts!

All those places are great. When I first moved here in 97, I ordered from Giordano's frequently. Nancy's in Elmhurst & White Cottage in Wood Dale are great as well. I just don't prefer the deep dish thick crust. My wife drives me crazy though, with all the great pizza places around Elmhurst, she always wants to get Pizza Hut. Thats the worst imo.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:29 pm

.....and this is why Chicagoans hate the rest of the world ...especially east coasters.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:32 pm

webdanzer wrote:
TheGamer wrote: As far as Chicago pizza being overrated, I tend to agree when it comes to the deep dish/thick crust. Too much bread for my tastes.
I'm in this group as well. During my several trips to the area back when I worked for a company who was HQ'ed there, the pizza experiences were the single most disappointing thing from each trip.

/tried several places
//NY Style fan

I've never been to Chicago, but they have Nancy's here in Atlanta which claims to offer authentic Chicago pizza. I've ordered it a couple of times but don't understand the appeal. I'd much rather have a NY style pizza.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:31 pm

pk500 wrote:NY-style pizza is the only way to go. I want pizza, not a loaf of bread with sauce and toppings on it.

Take care,
PK

A legitimate position, but as I said they're two distinctly different foods. It's like saying that you prefer filet mignon to carne asada. Sure they're both beef, but they're two totally different culinary endeavors.

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:02 pm

TheGamer wrote:As a self-proclaimed burger expert, (meaning I eat way too many), Whataburger has got to be the worst burger I've ever eaten. I'm surprised at the love fest going on here for the hockey puck sandwich. The burger I had from there was hard and dry and just sloppy. You guys would do yourselves a big favor by visiting this establishment, they will ship:

Portillos.com

I'm sure most of the Chicago guys will agree that this is one of the best spots for burgers and Italian beefs.

For a fast food burger I've never had a bad Whataburger. For a sports pub burger in St Paul I go across the street to The Bulldog Lowertown http://www.thebulldoglowertown.com/home.html or drive a few miles to the Nook. Home of the nookie burger. YUM YUM!!

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:30 pm

pk500 wrote:Any discussion of fast-food burgers starts and ends with In-N-Out.

I'm an East Coaster, through and through, but there is NO fast-food burger that can approach a Double Double with cheese. Nothing.

You West Coast cats live in burger nirvana.

Take care,
PK

On the burger I will give you that. I was fortunate to have one of those bad boys a few years back. The fries on the other hand, not so good, even with the animal style.

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:58 pm

Shoe-Tossing gifs:

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/12/15/ir ... r-guy.html

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:16 pm

webdanzer wrote:Shoe-Tossing gifs:

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/12/15/ir ... r-guy.html

Nikita Khruschev nods in approval.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:17 pm

pk500 wrote:NY-style pizza is the only way to go.

That's true, if you're in prison and you have to use another guy's ass as a bread oven. That about approximates the experience

I tried to eat that limp, greasy, droopy "pizza" when I lived in NYC and hated every bite. Like Rob said, I do understand if people don't like deep-dish, it's very doughy and heavy. My favorite pizza in Chicago was actually a thin-crust pie from a local joint that's out of business now. But any pizza you can fold is an abomination.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:29 pm

Interesting point about Chicago Style deep dish pizza.

It was a Texan, who created it. Born outside of Dallas and was an All American football player at Texas.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... ai_8859768

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:45 pm

Me like the Sonic too. Cherrylimeade please.

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:58 pm

Brando70 wrote: I tried to eat that limp, greasy, droopy "pizza" when I lived in NYC and hated every bite.

If all you tried was some cheap Ray's Original or Original Ray's or Famous Orignal Ray's or Ray's Famous Original, then you missed the boat. That crap is made with cheap frozen dough, sugary tmato sauce and salty processed mozzarella.

The only way to go for true NY pizza is fresh mozzarella, first of all, and home-made dough. A wood-fired oven is pretty key as well. Did you try a Lombardi's pie? Or Grimaldi's, or Arturo's? Or DiFara's in Brooklyn? THAT's NY Pizza.

If all you've had is that cheap fast-food style crap, then you haven't actually had real NY pizza. That touristy s*** is for the dogs. There's no end to the places with wood-burning ovens in NY beyond those more famous joints I named above, or places with the regular Bari ovens that use fresh mozzarella and fresh dough.

And I'm one who also really loves a quality Chicago-style deep dish, which would not include the Uno's chain. Blech.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:10 pm

Zeppo wrote:
Brando70 wrote: I tried to eat that limp, greasy, droopy "pizza" when I lived in NYC and hated every bite.
If all you tried was some cheap Ray's Original or Original Ray's or Famous Orignal Ray's or Ray's Famous Original, then you missed the boat. That crap is made with cheap frozen dough, sugary tmato sauce and salty processed mozzarella.

The only way to go for true NY pizza is fresh mozzarella, first of all, and home-made dough. A wood-fired oven is pretty key as well. Did you try a Lombardi's pie? Or Grimaldi's, or Arturo's? Or DiFara's in Brooklyn? THAT's NY Pizza.

If all you've had is that cheap fast-food style crap, then you haven't actually had real NY pizza. That touristy s*** is for the dogs. There's no end to the places with wood-burning ovens in NY beyond those more famous joints I named above, or places with the regular Bari ovens that use fresh mozzarella and fresh dough.

And I'm one who also really loves a quality Chicago-style deep dish, which would not include the Uno's chain. Blech.

I'll be honest with you, Zep, I don't remember. I drank a lot in those days

But I did try a number of local places, not just the chains. In fact, I don't think I ever ate at any of the Original Famous No Seriously We're the First Ray's Pizza places. I did eat at some places with real New Yorkers, and while they were happily folding their pizza and saying how good it was, I thought it tasted like a pepperoni-flavored grease trap.

I do agree on Uno's. It's not what it once was.

Post by **Jared** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:42 pm

Grimaldi's is awesome. I like both NY and Chicago-style pizza...probably more partial to NY style, but that's probably just because I've got more experience eating good NY pizza than Chicago pizza (only been there once).

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:59 pm

Uno's is s***

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:31 pm

Zeppo wrote:
Brando70 wrote: I tried to eat that limp, greasy, droopy "pizza" when I lived in NYC and hated every bite.
If all you tried was some cheap Ray's Original or Original Ray's or Famous Orignal Ray's or Ray's Famous Original, then you missed the boat. That crap is made with cheap frozen dough, sugary tmato sauce and salty processed mozzarella.

The only way to go for true NY pizza is fresh mozzarella, first of all, and home-made dough. A wood-fired oven is pretty key as well. Did you try a Lombardi's pie? Or Grimaldi's, or Arturo's? Or DiFara's in Brooklyn? THAT's NY Pizza.

If all you've had is that cheap fast-food style crap, then you haven't actually had real NY pizza. That touristy s*** is for the dogs. There's no end to the places with wood-burning ovens in NY beyond those more famous joints I named above, or places with the regular Bari ovens that use fresh mozzarella and fresh dough.

And I'm one who also really loves a quality Chicago-style deep dish, which would not include the Uno's chain. Blech.

A Zeppo sighting in the politics thread!!!! This is a rarity my friends. Proof that he does lurk here though

True, he only mentioned pizza, but it could be the start of something...???

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:08 pm

Bleeding Heart Tightwads

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opini ... .html?_r=1

Some interesting tidbits from the column, which was written by a liberal.

This holiday season is a time to examine who’s been naughty and who’s been nice, but I’m unhappy with my findings. The problem is this: We liberals are personally stingy.

Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.

Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

Americans give sums to charity equivalent to 1.67 percent of G.N.P., according to a terrific new book, “Philanthrocapitalism,” by Matthew Bishop and Michael Green. The British are second, with 0.73 percent, while the stingiest people on the list are the French, at 0.14 percent.

According to Google’s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.

In any case, if conservative donations often end up building extravagant churches, liberal donations frequently sustain art museums, symphonies, schools and universities that cater to the well-off. (It’s great to support the arts and education, but they’re not the same as charity for the needy. And some research suggests that donations to education actually increase inequality because they go mostly to elite institutions attended by the wealthy.)

Conservatives also appear to be more generous than liberals in nonfinancial ways. People in red states are considerably more likely to volunteer for good causes, and conservatives give blood more often. If liberals and moderates gave blood as often as conservatives, Mr. Brooks said, the American blood supply would increase by 45 percent.

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Once again, "do as I say, not as I do."

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:59 pm

bdoughty,I've found this to be sadly true when it comes to raising funds for the WWP. Not so much with corporations( https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/c ... w/867/919/ ),but individuals. Liberal celebrities to be exact.

Those of us that work fulltime trying to secure donations know who will give and who won't even give us the time of day. Celebrities like Jon Voight, Gary Sinise and Joseph C. Phillips are a outright joy to work with. I'm sure there are some liberal celebrities that donate,I just haven't found any yet.

No matter how much they are disliked by many people on this forum,and the fact I don't always agree with what they say. I have too thank radio personalities like Limbaugh,O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck,Ingram,Imus and Boortz for all that they do for the Wounded Warrior Project.

I also find it very odd that the most vocal liberals about the treatment and use of our troops are the most absent at VA Hospitals. Do they really care,or is it an agenda? It always seems like the latter too me.

I can't tell you how much it means to a soldier stuck in a VA Hospital for the Holidays to get a visit from someone other than a Doctor or Physical therapists. We did it on Thanksgiving and we're doing it on Christmas. Playing video games and talking bullshit with the wounded soldiers is a great way to spend the day.

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:29 pm

The whole liberals not giving as much as conservatives has been around for quite some time, not really new. Again, they are the do as I say not as I do kind of people.