OT: Election/Politics thread, Part 6

[RobVarak]

XXXIV FTW

[GTHobbes]

Well, it's your book. And you're entitled to read it. I, on the other hand, have no interest in having that book read to me.

The happens to be another book that agrees with me. You might have heard of it. The Bible. Clearly says that the only the killing of animals for food is ok. It also says that mistreating animals or environment is not ok. If anyone can show me where in the Bible it says killing animals for fun is OK, please point it out.

http://www.biblestudy.org/question/what ... -mean.html

Quote:
According to the Bible not all killing, the taking of a life, is murder. Murder is the unlawfully taking of human life. The command not to murder applies to human beings, not to killing animals or plant life for food. God gave animals to mankind for his use (Genesis 1:26-30; 9:1-4). But, this does not mean that humans have the right mistreat animals and the environment (Genesis 2:15; Deuteronomy 22:6-7; 25:4; Proverbs 12:10).

You might have skimmed past this one, Jack:

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

We are to rule over AND subdue the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and every living creature that moves on the ground. Your interpretation of 'mistreat' is far, far too wide to be contained in any mandate in scripture.

And as a man of God to a self admitted non-variety at best, this probably isn't a road you want to go down with me, Jack. I think I can hold my own in this arena pretty well...

What about this one, Teal?

Isaiah 66:3
“He who slaughters an ox is like one who kills a man; he who sacrifices a lamb, like one who breaks a dog's neck; he who presents a grain offering, like one who offers pig's blood; he who makes a memorial offering of frankincense, like one who blesses an idol. These have chosen their own ways, and their soul delights in their abominations"

[Jackdog]

Good for you Matt. You gained a lot of points with me with that one

But seriously.....do these hunters that do in fact eat what they kill have no other available food around? Why kill more, when there are plenty of other food sources all around you. Heck, that hunter probably has a sandwich with him during his hunting trip. Killing for food for survival is one thing (e.g. eskimos)...killing and eating your food when you have stocked refrigerator at home is another. I would like to know how many hunters would starve to death if they didn't kill a deer every other Sunday.

I can't speak for all hunters,but I like Venison because it's lean and not full of steroids. When I had a freezer it was full. Also many of my friends in Michigan and Tennesee that hunt feed their families with the deer they kill. They count on that meat every year. It's much cheaper than buying meat at the market. Matter of fact,all of the hunters I know eat the animals they hunt.

[macsomjrr]

Didn't you guys ever watch Bambi????? You heartless sonssabitches!

Hunters are a strange breed. Shooting living creatures for fun has got to be one of the cruelest pastimes we've got. I understand hunting for food if you can't find it any other way but when a pound of beef costs $5-6/lb at your local butcher you won't be able to convince me that the time wasted sitting in a field, the cost of the rifle, the bullets, the camo gear, and the cigars that you smoke post-kill are a much more cost effective way of feeding your family.

[macsomjrr]

Paul....you and I know most of the hunters out there doing the "culling" are there for kicks and could care less about managing the population for the environment's overall well being. It's just a way to justify a shooting free for all.

I call horseshit on this one Jack. Again your painting people in your own light because they don't feel the way you do. Do you understand how these type of comments make you sound?

I'm with Jack. People who shoot animals for fun out in a field aren't doing it because they feel like they're out saving humanity from the ills of lyme disease. They're doing it cause they are blood thirst hillbilly morons who like to shoot at living things and watch them die. Heck if it really were that bad don't you think that H&HS would be screaming at the army to take care of our deadly deer population? If the CDC doesn't give a s*** about the deer population then neither do I.

[Jackdog]

Paul....you and I know most of the hunters out there doing the "culling" are there for kicks and could care less about managing the population for the environment's overall well being. It's just a way to justify a shooting free for all.

I call horseshit on this one Jack. Again your painting people in your own light because they don't feel the way you do. Do you understand how these type of comments make you sound?

I'm with Jack. People who shoot animals for fun out in a field aren't doing it because they feel like they're out saving humanity from the ills of lyme disease. They're doing it cause they are blood thirst hillbilly morons who like to shoot at living things and watch them die. Heck if it really were that bad don't you think that H&HS would be screaming at the army to take care of our deadly deer population? If the CDC doesn't give a s*** about the deer population then neither do I.

Yeah...your with Jack.

[Jackdog]

Didn't you guys ever watch Bambi????? You heartless sonssabitches!

Hunters are a strange breed. Shooting living creatures for fun has got to be one of the cruelest pastimes we've got. I understand hunting for food if you can't find it any other way but when a pound of beef costs $5-6/lb at your local butcher you won't be able to convince me that the time wasted sitting in a field, the cost of the rifle, the bullets, the camo gear, and the cigars that you smoke post-kill are a much more cost effective way of feeding your family.

How the f*ck does that beef get into that butchers shop again???
And yes killing a deer for food is very cost effective for all the meat you get. Do you have any idea what it costs to dress out a deer and how much food one provides? a 100lbs deer will net you around 50lbs of meat. Kill two and you have enough meat to feed your family for awhile. It cost's between 65 to 100 bucks to get a deer processed. 200 bucks for two deer and 100lbs or so of very healthy lean meat.

[GTHobbes]

Paul....you and I know most of the hunters out there doing the "culling" are there for kicks and could care less about managing the population for the environment's overall well being. It's just a way to justify a shooting free for all.

I call horseshit on this one Jack. Again your painting people in your own light because they don't feel the way you do. Do you understand how these type of comments make you sound?

I'm with Jack. People who shoot animals for fun out in a field aren't doing it because they feel like they're out saving humanity from the ills of lyme disease. They're doing it cause they are blood thirst hillbilly morons who like to shoot at living things and watch them die. Heck if it really were that bad don't you think that H&HS would be screaming at the army to take care of our deadly deer population? If the CDC doesn't give a s*** about the deer population then neither do I.

Thank you. Well said.

[XXXIV]

They're doing it cause they are blood thirst hillbilly morons who like to shoot at living things and watch them die.

..Well okay ...and in that spirit...

All hunter haters are cock sucking faggots who love it up the ass.

[webdanzer]

Didn't you guys ever watch Bambi????? You heartless sonssabitches!

Hunters are a strange breed. Shooting living creatures for fun has got to be one of the cruelest pastimes we've got. I understand hunting for food if you can't find it any other way but when a pound of beef costs $5-6/lb at your local butcher you won't be able to convince me that the time wasted sitting in a field, the cost of the rifle, the bullets, the camo gear, and the cigars that you smoke post-kill are a much more cost effective way of feeding your family.

One could argue that a man who knows how to hunt (track, shoot, clean, cook, etc) has a step up on knowing how to provide for his family in any number of possible circumstances over a person who only knows how to get food by going to the butcher or a supermarket.

On another note, does this subject fall under politics or the election? I'm starting to miss the F*ck Bush posts...

[Jackdog]

I call horseshit on this one Jack. Again your painting people in your own light because they don't feel the way you do. Do you understand how these type of comments make you sound?

I'm with Jack. People who shoot animals for fun out in a field aren't doing it because they feel like they're out saving humanity from the ills of lyme disease. They're doing it cause they are blood thirst hillbilly morons who like to shoot at living things and watch them die. Heck if it really were that bad don't you think that H&HS would be screaming at the army to take care of our deadly deer population? If the CDC doesn't give a s*** about the deer population then neither do I.

Thank you. Well said.

I thought you would like the "Hillbilly moron" bullshit.

[GTHobbes]

On another note, does this subject fall under politics or the election? I'm starting to miss the F*ck Bush posts...

Speaking of moron hillbilly hunters:

"We were terrible to animals,' recalled [Bush pal Terry] Throckmorton, laughing. A dip behind the Bush borne turned into a small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs would come out. `Everybody would get BB guns and shoot them,' Throckmorton said. `Or we'd put firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow them up."

http://www.all-creatures.org/aip/nl-3nov2000-frogs.

Who would've guessed?

[Jackdog]

Didn't you guys ever watch Bambi????? You heartless sonssabitches!

Hunters are a strange breed. Shooting living creatures for fun has got to be one of the cruelest pastimes we've got. I understand hunting for food if you can't find it any other way but when a pound of beef costs $5-6/lb at your local butcher you won't be able to convince me that the time wasted sitting in a field, the cost of the rifle, the bullets, the camo gear, and the cigars that you smoke post-kill are a much more cost effective way of feeding your family.

One could argue that a man who knows how to hunt (track, shoot, clean, cook, etc) has a step up on knowing how to provide for his family in any number of possible circumstances over a person who only knows how to get food by going to the butcher or a supermarket.

On another note, does this subject fall under politics or the election? I'm starting to miss the F*ck Bush posts...

Where have you been man? It not f*** Bush anymore,it's f*** hunters that kill in the bush.

[Jackdog]

On another note, does this subject fall under politics or the election? I'm starting to miss the F*ck Bush posts...

Speaking of moron hillbilly hunters:

"We were terrible to animals,' recalled [Bush pal Terry] Throckmorton, laughing. A dip behind the Bush borne turned into a small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs would come out. `Everybody would get BB guns and shoot them,' Throckmorton said. `Or we'd put firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow them up."

http://www.all-creatures.org/aip/nl-3nov2000-frogs.html

Is trolling a sport???

[RobVarak]

Is trolling a sport???

It's a disease that afflicts the clinically stupid.

[Jackdog]

Anyone else find it funny that the three most outspoken critics of hunters in this thread are the most vile when it comes to name calling and racist stereotyping?

[RobVarak]

Anyone else find it funny that the three most outspoken critics of hunters in this thread are the most vile when it comes to name calling and racist stereotyping?

Actually, no. Hyporcisy at that level almost requires a combination of self-rightousness and ignorance, the same characteristics that one often finds in illiberal and bigoted personalities.

[Teal]

The happens to be another book that agrees with me. You might have heard of it. The Bible. Clearly says that the only the killing of animals for food is ok. It also says that mistreating animals or environment is not ok. If anyone can show me where in the Bible it says killing animals for fun is OK, please point it out.

http://www.biblestudy.org/question/what ... -mean.html

Quote:
According to the Bible not all killing, the taking of a life, is murder. Murder is the unlawfully taking of human life. The command not to murder applies to human beings, not to killing animals or plant life for food. God gave animals to mankind for his use (Genesis 1:26-30; 9:1-4). But, this does not mean that humans have the right mistreat animals and the environment (Genesis 2:15; Deuteronomy 22:6-7; 25:4; Proverbs 12:10).

You might have skimmed past this one, Jack:

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

We are to rule over AND subdue the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and every living creature that moves on the ground. Your interpretation of 'mistreat' is far, far too wide to be contained in any mandate in scripture.

And as a man of God to a self admitted non-variety at best, this probably isn't a road you want to go down with me, Jack. I think I can hold my own in this arena pretty well...

What about this one, Teal?

Isaiah 66:3
“He who slaughters an ox is like one who kills a man; he who sacrifices a lamb, like one who breaks a dog's neck; he who presents a grain offering, like one who offers pig's blood; he who makes a memorial offering of frankincense, like one who blesses an idol. These have chosen their own ways, and their soul delights in their abominations"

The problem with stuff like this comes from a strong desire to make everything subjective, which, of course, works well for the one who desires to make the bible (and the constitution, for that matter) say what they want it to say. Such is the out-of-context verse you cite, which would SEEM to support the PETA nuts. Only...it doesn't. In the slightest.

The verse in question is part of a much longer passage uttered by the prophet Isaiah, telling the people of God's displeasure with the worthlessness of their ritual sacrifices, in lieu of their continued and blatant disregard for God's standards, commands, and desires. Bulls were sacrificed, lambs were offered as sacrifice, grain, doves, goats...all because 'without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins', therefore, the arrival of Christ and the perfect sacrifice, ergo the end of the need of animals and grain for religious and temporary remission of sins. Jesus' sacrifice took care of that once and for all.

But I digress. The verse at issue has nothing-NOTHING-to do with what you want it to. Not in any way, shape, form, or fashion. God's not the least bit opposed to our dominance over the animal kingdom. Cruelty is one thing, but as I said to Jack, some of you tend to cast WAY too wide a net over the definition of 'cruelty'.

BTW, guess who killed the first animals in human history...


...God...

[matthewk]

I'm with Jack. People who shoot animals for fun out in a field aren't doing it because they feel like they're out saving humanity from the ills of lyme disease. They're doing it cause they are blood thirst hillbilly morons who like to shoot at living things and watch them die.

Do you know any hunters personally, out there in San Diego?

I vote we sign up Jack, GT, and Mac here to be contestants on Ted Nugent's next show

[matthewk]

But seriously.....do these hunters that do in fact eat what they kill have no other available food around? Why kill more, when there are plenty of other food sources all around you. Heck, that hunter probably has a sandwich with him during his hunting trip. Killing for food for survival is one thing (e.g. eskimos)...killing and eating your food when you have stocked refrigerator at home is another. I would like to know how many hunters would starve to death if they didn't kill a deer every other Sunday.

WTF difference does that make? Where do you think the meat in their fridge came from, the meat fairy? If they are eating meat from deer they killed then it is that much less they are buying at the supermarket. This makes absolutely no sense to me.

Any of you guys ever own a leather jacket? Or how about football? You like football, right? Surely you are contributing to the abuse of animals by partaking in watching football. If you guys really cared about the animals you'd be petitioning the NFL to use Nerf instead.

[GTHobbes]

What's the matter, guys? Did the story about Bush blowing up frogs for fun hit a little too close to home? I know sweaty Teddy (Nugent) would approve of that one.

[matthewk]

What's the matter, guys? Did the story about Bush blowing up frogs for fun hit a little too close to home? I know sweaty Teddy (Nugent) would approve of that one.

Ahhhh. So this is the sign of a true intellectual.

[JackB1]

Your interpretation of 'mistreat' is far, far too wide to be contained in any mandate in scripture.

And therein lies the problem. "Interpretation". It allows everyone to adjust the words in the Bible to fit their lifestyle. I am still waiting for the passage that says it's OK to kill animals for fun or for our own amusement. Something tells me JC wouldn't approve.

[JackB1]

One could argue that a man who knows how to hunt (track, shoot, clean, cook, etc) has a step up on knowing how to provide for his family in any number of possible circumstances over a person who only knows how to get food by going to the butcher or a supermarket.

On another note, does this subject fall under politics or the election? I'm starting to miss the F*ck Bush posts...

There's something to your first statement...

On the 2nd......file this under "politics". Ever since the NRA has been in bed with the Republican party, guns and politics have gone hand in hand....unfortunately.

[JackB1]

..... name calling and racist stereotyping?

Something pretty much everyone on the planet is guilty of at one time or another. Stupid as hell? You betcha.