OT: Election/Politics thread, Part 6

[XXXIV]

a good politician.

That is an oxymoron.

[GTHobbes]

There was no choice as far as the bailout goes. Govt. had to be the backstop. In retrospect, I think Paulsen would admit that letting Lehman Brothers fail was a mistake, which precipitated the stock market meltdown.

Agreed.

But I'm not debating the wisdom of the bailout. I'm taking about prospective government investment under an Obama administration in place of private investment that has been deterred by higher taxes.

At this point I think I've pretty much said what I have to say. Onwards with election news.

I'd kind've forgotten all about the bailout. What good was that supposed to do again?

[matthewk]

Cause: Bush was elect....*ahem* stole the elections.
Effect: He single-handedly brought the Earth to near total destruction.

He sure didn't help.

I never said he did.

Then again, Pelosi, Reid and Frank didn't help either.

[XXXIV]

Im looking forward to some exciting exit polling.

[matthewk]

I don't respect the way he has run his campaign.

Thats how I feel about Obama.

[Teal]

God bless the Black Panthers...

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[Jared]

I just fundamentally think that's the wrong question. The question isn't whether we give tax cuts to the 'rich', the 'middle class' or to the poor. The question is, is a strong middle class a side effect of economic growth and increasing industry, or the cause of it?

The path to more jobs and creation of wealth via capital investment and expanding business is clear and supported by a mountain of theory. These are precisely the type of new jobs on which a healthy middle class is employed.

I have yet to hear anybody on either side of the aisle ever present a theory as to how Obama's tax credits will create jobs or wealth. Under Obama's plan 44% of Americans will pay no federal income tax. Are we supposed to rely on this lower 44% to create jobs? I certainly am not.

Again I extend my open invitation for links that argue a coherent theory as to how lessening the tax liability for those that already pay very little tax will spur economic growth.

Well, first on the 44% point. According to the Tax Foundation, where I think you're getting those figures, Obama's plan will have 44% of tax filers owing nothing. McCain's plan will have 43% of tax filers owing nothing. So the difference between their plans in that respect, is minimal.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/23637.html

As for lessening the tax liability on the poor/middle class, isn't that just the normal argument that lower taxes results in economic growth? Or is the question whether lowering taxes for the poor/middle class is a more effective agent for economic growth than lowering taxes for the rich?

[Jackdog]

Wife and I just got back from voting. Minnesota has a great system. You get a ballot and a black marker and all you do is color in the circle of who you want. I couldn't keep my inside the lines. You then slide it into a machine and it's counted. It's Jackdog proof.

[Feanor]

The 67-page report was full of facts and evidence of fraud. Voter fraud does exist, and it's more than 1-2 votes.

And yet the evidence of election fraud in Ohio during the last election didn't bother you one bit. Funny that.

http://www.amazon.com/What-Went-Wrong-O ... 089733535X
http://www.amazon.com/What-Happened-Ohi ... pd_sim_b_2

Who said it didn't bother me? Do you know me at all outside of this forum? That was just a real f-ing stupid and insulting thing to say.

I've mentioned the 2004 Ohio election fraud numerous times in these threads and have you ever posted a reponse saying that any of the evidence bothers you?

[XXXIV]

Wife and I just got back from voting. Minnesota has a great system. You get a ballot and a black marker and all you do is color in the circle of who you want. I couldn't keep my inside the lines. You then slide it into a machine and it's counted. It's Jackdog proof.

Bob Barr thanks Minnesota for the vote.

[matthewk]

Palin cleared of any wrongdoing in "tasergate":

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/03 ... thics-law/

[Jared]

Palin cleared of any wrongdoing in "tasergate":

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/03 ... thics-law/

Since this has been posted twice, I'd just like to point out that this investigation mentioned above is one where Palin made an ethics complaint against herself. Before that, there was the original investigation that did find that she was guilty of ethics violations. Palin, pretty sure that the first investigation was going to go against her, started this second one in the hopes that it would clear her.

I have no idea which one is correct (nor do I really care). But I'm not sure that this investigation has "cleared" her of wrongdoing; if anything, it's muddied the waters.

[Jackdog]

Wife and I just got back from voting. Minnesota has a great system. You get a ballot and a black marker and all you do is color in the circle of who you want. I couldn't keep my inside the lines. You then slide it into a machine and it's counted. It's Jackdog proof.

Bob Barr thanks Minnesota for the vote.

[pk500]

Wife and I just got back from voting. Minnesota has a great system. You get a ballot and a black marker and all you do is color in the circle of who you want. I couldn't keep my inside the lines. You then slide it into a machine and it's counted. It's Jackdog proof.

Bob Barr thanks Minnesota for the vote.

Bob can thank his New York voter in about 45 minutes.

Take care,
PK

[Slumberland]

From Balloon Juice:

"If you read only leftwing blogs today you will get the impression that outrages mostly happen to Democrats. Weirdly enough a rightwing blog reader will feel like he lives in an alternate universe where the opposite is true. By the end of the day either perspective will have a wealth of compelling anecdotes to bolster its case, because in a country with over a hundred million strongly opinionated voters there is room for incredibly stupid people on both shoulders of the bell curve."

[Feanor]

I think this is where I disagree. I think his tax policy is based on the idea that a stronger middle class leads to a better economy, and that tax cuts to the middle class and poor will have a more direct and better effect on the economy than tax cuts to the rich.

I just fundamentally think that's the wrong question. The question isn't whether we should give tax cuts to the 'rich', the 'middle class' or to the poor. The question is, where will a tax cut create the greatest economic growth?

Tax cuts aren't the only way to encourage economic growth; increased public and private investment in human capital might be even more important.

[wco81]

As far as the federal govt. deterring investment in the private sector, that's usually more attributed to interest rates being high because the govt. borrows more to fund deficit spending.

Which often results from a decline in tax receipts, i.e. tax cuts.

[matthewk]

Wife and I just got back from voting. Minnesota has a great system. You get a ballot and a black marker and all you do is color in the circle of who you want. I couldn't keep my inside the lines. You then slide it into a machine and it's counted. It's Jackdog proof.

That's the same method we use. In and out in 15 minutes, and that's with a line running out the door and around the parking lot.

But why does it have to be a black marker? Isn't that racist?

[matthewk]

I've mentioned the 2004 Ohio election fraud numerous times in these threads and have you ever posted a reponse saying that any of the evidence bothers you?

You're kidding, right? That's the excuse you're rolling with?

If you posted evidence of fraud in Ohio, good for you. What am I supposed to do, jump in "yeah! me too!" every time someone posts something I agree with?

That was weak.

[Brando70]

God bless the Black Panthers...

We had a couple of pretty intimidating moose blocking our polling place. They told us to vote Green Party or else.

[Feanor]

I've mentioned the 2004 Ohio election fraud numerous times in these threads and have you ever posted a reponse saying that any of the evidence bothers you?

You're kidding, right? That's the excuse you're rolling with?

If you posted evidence of fraud in Ohio, good for you. What am I supposed to do, jump in "yeah! me too!" every time someone posts something I agree with?

That was weak.

You can obviously only jump in yelling "me too" when it's an opinion piece by a right-wing WSJ columnist.

As weak as crying for Jared to come rescue you and making a personal attack in the very same post?

[RobVarak]

God bless the Black Panthers...

We had a couple of pretty intimidating moose blocking our polling place.

Those fuckwad T.R. supporters will do anything to help that bastard.

[JackB1]

Then again, Pelosi, Reid and Frank didn't help either.

agreed

[JackB1]

Wife and I just got back from voting. Minnesota has a great system. You get a ballot and a black marker and all you do is color in the circle of who you want. I couldn't keep my inside the lines. You then slide it into a machine and it's counted. It's Jackdog proof.

I really wish ALL STATES would do this. I had an electronic tough screen here in ATL and I left there wishing I had some kind of paper trail. Sure, it might take longer, but you would have paper backup that you could recount as many times as needed.

[matthewk]

You can obviously only jump in yelling "me too" when it's an opinion piece by a right-wing WSJ columnist.

That's because I heard it on the local radio this morning. I didn't hear anything about Ohio 2004 today.

The rest I'm not going to bother addressing here because it's nothing but an attempt to bait me. Of course, you've edited it 3 times already, so who knows what it will say by the time you are done.