greggsand wrote: (Gamer prob still wouldn't want to move there quite yet).
Don't be so sure. If I could make a decent salary downstate, I'd probably be back down in Springfield at least. I've become a little disenchanted with the Chicagoland area. But anyway.
34, I wasn't trying to offend or insinuate that all the small towns are racists. I've been called "Tom" and "sellout" by almost as many black kids as I've been called "nigger" by the family members and friends of the white kids that I hung out with. Just as many arguments I've had with some whites that were saying something negative about blacks, I've had with my sister when we disagreed about whites. There are areas however that I was advised by my white friends that I should stay away from. those were my experiences.
TheGamer wrote:
I've been called "Tom" and "sellout" by almost as many black kids as I've been called "nigger" by the family members and friends of the white kids that I hung out with. Just as many arguments I've had with some whites that were saying something negative about blacks, I've had with my sister when we disagreed about whites. There are areas however that I was advised by my white friends that I should stay away from. those were my experiences.
Teal wrote:If Obama were JC Watts, I'd vote for him in a hot second. It ain't his biological race that's the issue...it's the content of his political race that's troubling.
I wasnt refering to you or any other staunch republicans . Ofcourse you would never vote for a democrat especially one with such socialist leaning.
Im talking about old white democrats and"independents". Im referring to the state of the economy. Whether or not its Bush's fault is not relevant. I just think any other member of the opposition party would have a much bigger lead in the polls.
Gotcha. It came across differently, though I never believed it was about me, personally. And note: I'm not a staunch republican. I'm a staunch conservative. The d's and r's mean nothing to me.
greggsand wrote:
I could care less if u believe it or not, my POINT was how surprised I was to see BO signs when I went back 3 weeks ago.
I get the point...I know the point. Why do you think that Obama isnt ahead by 20 points in the polls?
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Whoa, whoa, whoa...you aren't impying that racism has THAT much to do with his lead shrinking, are you? Of course, sometimes you are intentionally hard to read, but c'mon...you aren't buying into that popular bit of malarkey, are you?
There are a few, to be sure, who aren't voting for 'THAT N***ER', but it has very, very little to do with it. And I'm from Alabama...I see alot of Obama signs in my neighborhood, and not all of them are black households.
Teal, I think you're pretty on target here. There are certainly some white people that won't vote for Obama because he's black. But, despite breaking all kinds of barriers on two fronts, the campaign has not really been about race or gender. Obama hasn't faced much racial bigorty outside of some pockets here and there, and Palin has not really faced much sexism (even though Clinton faced a fair amount during the primary). Regardless of how the election goes, I think American politics has made a lot of progress toward being more color- and gender-blind.
Brando70 wrote:
I think American politics has made a lot of progress toward being more color- and gender-blind.
I've seen a fair amount of sociology scholarship that's reflected an enormous decrease in the amount of racial tension since the mid-90's as measured by a variety of factors.
Maybe it's because we got used to having Clinton as our first black president?
XBL Gamertag: RobVarak
"Ok I'm an elitist, but I have a healthy respect for people who don't measure up." --Aaron Sorkin
That poll is more suggestive than informative, GT. Crap, polls in general are more suggestive than informative, for that matter. I took statistics in college, and what was suggested in that class (by a democrat instructor, mind you) was that polls are worse than opinions, polls are designed for one thing: to influence opinion, rather than relay it.
When asked to name the biggest concern that respondents had about the candidates only 2% chose their choice of VP. That, along with the wealth of historical data that details the minimal impact of VP, would seem to cut against the idea that Palin is a significant drag on the ticket.
OTOH, I don't think any of the polling has looked into the effect of having the bottom of one ticket effectively endorsing the top of the other by threatening international brinksmanship if his partner wins
XBL Gamertag: RobVarak
"Ok I'm an elitist, but I have a healthy respect for people who don't measure up." --Aaron Sorkin
The problem about that poll in particular is that the 2% swing that they attribute to Obama because of Palin is within the margin of error (3%). It's tough to say...some more moderate conservatives (e.g. Colin Powell) have intimated that the Palin selection had something to do with choosing Obama, and I'd think the decision may have swayed some to Obama. However, my guess is that Palin will probably improve turnout in the "base". So who knows what the effect is.
Also, does anyone know how states release their early voting results on election day? For example, once the polls close in Virginia, will they basically announce all the results from the early voting previously, or add that in later? If they have the early votes tabulated and announced, we might have a good idea re: the state of the race early this year.
P.S. Some interesting stats re: the early vote so far.
You know an unexpected but postive side effect of Obama's candidacy struck me today. Because he has so excited the youth and minority vote, we haven't had to suffer through a ridiculous get out the vote campaign like Puff Daddy's (or whatever his name is these days) "vote or die" campaign.
Jared wrote:Also, does anyone know how states release their early voting results on election day? For example, once the polls close in Virginia, will they basically announce all the results from the early voting previously, or add that in later? If they have the early votes tabulated and announced, we might have a good idea re: the state of the race early this year.
P.S. Some interesting stats re: the early vote so far.
I would hope not. IMO the only thing more screwed up than the voter registration process is the combination of exit pollling and incremental release of voting results in a country of 300m people with multiple time zones.
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XBL Gamertag: RobVarak
"Ok I'm an elitist, but I have a healthy respect for people who don't measure up." --Aaron Sorkin
I hope someone comes up with a national voter registration program...that would solve a lot of problems...
Naples,
Puff Daddy (aka Diddy), Jay-Z and Mary J. Blige are in Philly right now for a promote the vote thing (on Broad, at the Susquehanna-Dauphin stop). You cannot escape!
Tried to early vote this past week.....every day the wait times were 3-4 hours! So I am hoping it won't be as bad tomorrow. I think it's great that this many people are voting, but we should have been better prepared here in Georgia!
Jared wrote:Also, does anyone know how states release their early voting results on election day? For example, once the polls close in Virginia, will they basically announce all the results from the early voting previously, or add that in later? If they have the early votes tabulated and announced, we might have a good idea re: the state of the race early this year.
P.S. Some interesting stats re: the early vote so far.
Usually but I can't speak for all states they might have already tabulated early and main-in ballots. They do this so they run E-day numbers and have a count quicker.
It just depends on county clerks not the states. Some will not count anything until all polling is done. Others will try to be efficient and run mail/early on the weekend and monday, so they don't have problems on tuesday.
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Not that there's anything wrong with that....
