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webdanzer wrote:I guess I'm saying I really miss seeing the songs simply laid out in front of me by difficulty, and going through them up the ladder until all are unlocked, while being able to quickly see how well I did on each one. (By Stars, Score, and difficulty level) All this new stuff is great, but I'm actually kinda shocked that they removed the 'traditional' way to play the 1p game.
Only briefly played the game yesterday, but I see where you are coming from.

Have you tried going back to quickplay to see if your scores are there? The track organization on quickplay is outstanding. I assume you can't unlock more songs by doing quickplay however.
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Can you use Rock Band1 instruments with the Rock Band2 game?
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JackB1 wrote:Can you use Rock Band1 instruments with the Rock Band2 game?
Yep.
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I'm soooo confused on which game to get. Hopefully there will be a better understanding which instruments are better in the coming weeks before release. Also, I'd like to find out which has the more enjoyable single player experience.
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To those that have the new drums? Is it worth upgrading?
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10spro wrote:To those that have the new drums? Is it worth upgrading?
I just hooked them up a little while ago and messed with them for a bit (had a dentist appt. to run to) and they are definitely an upgrade. They ARE definitely quieter than the originals. The metal kick pedal is solid. Overall, they feel great. Now I only had about 15 minutes on them (gonna play more in a bit) but I am liking them. Are they worth it? It depends on the individual, but they are worth it to me. More impressions later.
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Naples39 wrote: Have you tried going back to quickplay to see if your scores are there? The track organization on quickplay is outstanding. I assume you can't unlock more songs by doing quickplay however.
Scores are there, but only scores. Ideally, I'd like to be able to see score, stars, instrument, and difficulty level, but the score itself is probably the least important thing for me.

In RB 1 I'm a high level Hard to med-high level Expert drummer. When I sit down to play, I usually look to see what expert level songs I still have to beat or gold star, or what hard level songs I still need to 5 star. With this new set up, I can't see ANY of that in an easy way!!! Yes, I can see score, but it doesn't tell me anything, really.

For example, I may see that I got a 64,585 on one song and a 108,595 on another. That tells me absolutely nothing, as score itself really gives you no information on how well you played. That 64,585 could be out of a max of 65,000, for instance, while the 108,595 could be out of 195,000. There's no way to easily see how well I did on each song. Like wise, I could see a really high score on something but not know I did it on Hard level, and so I don't ever really 'try' Expert level because I forget I never really played it on expert!

Basically, I like to direct my play to beat songs I can't beat, and master those I can, and there is no view in the game that allows me to direct my play in this fashion. I'm actually pretty bummed by this.

I'm not alone, though. It seems to be the single biggest complaint on the Rock Band forums (other than the new drum sets also being crappy), but I have no idea if it is something that they can fix with a patch.

The new songs are mostly fun. it's still a lot of fun for pick-up-and-play fooling around, and it's a better setup for use with family and friends and such, but they hosed the 1p experience for me pretty good. At this point, I think I actually would have prefered if I spent the money to get the songs simply as a massive song pack for RB1.

And on a minor but annoying note, what's with the singer no longer changing to the appropriate sex with sex changes between songs in a single set?!? Seeing some beefy grizzly adams guy singing 'Maps' or something is quite bizarre!

For a game that I thought would have been a 'no-brainer', 'best of the year', 'no way I could be disappointed' release for me, I can't shake a mild feeling of let-down with this one, to the point that I think I'm probably going to still prefer playing DLC on RB1 rather than RB2. Glad I kept the disc, and now I'm also thinking that GH:WT might be the better game for me this year...
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I actually really like that they structured the single-player experience like the Band World Tour mode. I like being able to do sets rather than just song after song, beat this tier and move on to the next, rinse, repeat. I love the surprise sets and having to gain fans to move on. It's like they added a little franchise mode to Rockband. Still, they should have at least included an old school mode that offered the tiers.

One thing that confuses me is the fact that moses soulfish is considered to be an offensive band name but scatmonger is not. :roll:
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Web,

How are you certain the single player experience is better on GH:WT? I'm not bias towards either. I am mostly interested in the better single playing experience as I know I'll be playing alone most of the time.
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sportdan30 wrote:Web,

How are you certain the single player experience is better on GH:WT? I'm not bias towards either. I am mostly interested in the better single playing experience as I know I'll be playing alone most of the time.
I'm not at all certain, Dan. RB2 could still be better, but if GH:WT maintains at least some of the old scoring structure, it just better suits how I like to play. (Looking at past performances, picking out the ones where I can see I can do better and then trying to improve on them). If you don't really play that way, the scoring issue shouldn't be that big of an issue for you.

Like Scoop said, going through the Band World Tour and completing some of the challenges are fun, but I wish they didn't remove what was a known and pretty well-liked factor. I don't even need the locked tier progression aspect. If quickplay just showed all levels of scoring (Showing stars and difficulty in addition to the score) I'd be pretty happy, as I could more easily pick out what and how I wanted to play.

And if you're playing with others, RB2 is a pretty big improvement over RB1...Folks can come in and out of bands, switch instruments, play some of the challenges with you, etc.
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webdanzer wrote: When I sit down to play, I usually look to see what expert level songs I still have to beat or gold star, or what hard level songs I still need to 5 star. With this new set up, I can't see ANY of that in an easy way!!! Yes, I can see score, but it doesn't tell me anything, really.
I play RB the same way, so that is disappointing. I don't think I'll mind playing through on BWT mode, but once I've gone through and want to go back and play certain songs I didn't do so well on it will be VERY annoying.
And on a minor but annoying note, what's with the singer no longer changing to the appropriate sex with sex changes between songs in a single set?!? Seeing some beefy grizzly adams guy singing 'Maps' or something is quite bizarre!
Wasn't this the case in RB 1?


I'd still love to hear some impressions of the new drums. I wanted to buy them but couldn't find them on release day.
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I'm toying with the idea of buying Rock Band 2-software only. I *like* the first one, but for some reason, have always preferred GHIII. I have both, but if I'm going to pull the big trigger insofar as peripherals and such, I'm going with GHWT. That being said, is there ANY real improvement over RB1 in terms of a solo experience? I don't own the drums or anything, and pretty much just stick to playing guitar (with my Aerosmith GH guitar!).

So is there any real reason to shell out another 60 bucks? Oh, and to note, I'm more of a hard rock kind of guy...how is that genre represented? I really hate some of the punkish, emo, skateboardy stuff...how much of that would I have to slog through by comparison?
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The allure of RB is having the drums to enhance the single player experience, and doing full band multiplayer. Rocking out with 3 other people around you is an unmatched experience. If you're just going to play guitar, GH3 was better suited for you than RB1.

That said, the reviews say guitar and bass in RB2 is a lot more interesting with more challenging notecharts, more HOPOs...etc.

The big killer for me with RB2 over GHWT is the tracklist. I paid the $5 to export the RB1 songs, so between RB1 and RB2, and the DLC I've purchased in the last year for RB1 that now carries over to RB2, I've got 150+ songs available in RB2 already. There will also be 20 new free songs for download this year for RB2. I don't think GHWT will be able to compete with that, let alone RB's weekly DLC downloads. Can't wait for the new Rush pack!

My feeling is that there is no reason not to upgrade from RB1 software to RB2 software. If nothing else, it is $60 for a 100 song track pack.
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Teal wrote:I'm toying with the idea of buying Rock Band 2-software only. I *like* the first one, but for some reason, have always preferred GHIII. I have both, but if I'm going to pull the big trigger insofar as peripherals and such, I'm going with GHWT. That being said, is there ANY real improvement over RB1 in terms of a solo experience? I don't own the drums or anything, and pretty much just stick to playing guitar (with my Aerosmith GH guitar!).

So is there any real reason to shell out another 60 bucks? Oh, and to note, I'm more of a hard rock kind of guy...how is that genre represented? I really hate some of the punkish, emo, skateboardy stuff...how much of that would I have to slog through by comparison?
Hey Teal, I got your message last night while playing, but I didn't want to type you back using the guitar D-pad. :lol: Since you are pretty much asking the same question now, I'll try to answer it here.

I think the two main improvements are the ability to create your own playlists and to play the Band World Tour mode as a one-man-band. The interface for playing online challenges and seeing how you do vs your friends is also improved, and quickplay song sorting is much better too.

There is a good amount of overlap between GH:WT and RB 2 songlists in genre and actual songs, I think, but I think if you are given towards 'Aerosmithy' rock GH:WT might be a little better...though I think they are probably close. I'd advise you checking out the track lists yourself.
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And on a minor but annoying note, what's with the singer no longer changing to the appropriate sex with sex changes between songs in a single set?!? Seeing some beefy grizzly adams guy singing 'Maps' or something is quite bizarre!
Wasn't this the case in RB 1?

I'd still love to hear some impressions of the new drums. I wanted to buy them but couldn't find them on release day.
Was it? Could have been. I honestly didn't play too much of BWT in RB1, because I was either playing by myself or at parties, where we did more of the quickplay stuff.

I'm using the old drums, but the major complaint about the new ones is a lot of crosstalk...hits on one pad also registering on others.
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If you can import all RB1 tracks into RB2 for only $5 thats a great deal.
You can then throw RB1 (game only) on Ebay and probably get about $25-30 for it and net +25 bucks!

Now if they would offer all the RB2 tracks as DLC for RB1 at a reasonable price (not more than paying for the full RB2 game), then you might have to consider keeping RB1 and just getting the DLC.

Anyone know if the RB2 songs will be available to download ala carte for RB1?
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Thanks. I fully intend on getting GHWT no matter what, as I just like the 'vibe' of the GH games more. I like RB, but I haven't DL'ed a ton of stuff for it, and I just DL'ed the Metallica album for GHIII (if that gives you an idea of the kind of stuff I prefer!), so I dunno. I certainly play GHIII more than RB, but can have fun with the songs no matter what. Eh, we'll see...
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JackB1 wrote:If you can import all RB1 tracks into RB2 for only $5 thats a great deal.
You can then throw RB1 (game only) on Ebay and probably get about $25-30 for it and net +25 bucks!

Now if they would offer all the RB2 tracks as DLC for RB1 at a reasonable price (not more than paying for the full RB2 game), then you might have to consider keeping RB1 and just getting the DLC.

Anyone know if the RB2 songs will be available to download ala carte for RB1?
You can't quite import all of the RB1 songs, Jack. Due to licensing issues, Run to the Hills, Enter Sandman, and Paranoid are left behind.

I can't imagine them allowing RB2 tracks in RB1. First, they want you to buy the disc, and second, there will be licensing issues that way as well. But, because of the change in scoring I've been complaining about, I'd love it if it ever came to pass.
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Teal wrote:Thanks. I fully intend on getting GHWT no matter what, as I just like the 'vibe' of the GH games more. I like RB, but I haven't DL'ed a ton of stuff for it, and I just DL'ed the Metallica album for GHIII (if that gives you an idea of the kind of stuff I prefer!), so I dunno. I certainly play GHIII more than RB, but can have fun with the songs no matter what. Eh, we'll see...
I like RB for the drums and GH3 for the guitar. But I do LOVE the great variety of music in RB. Whoever picks out the songs for the game has pretty good taste. They choose a lot of non mainstream stuff, which is great.
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Okay, I've got Rock Band 2. I don't see the method for putting the RB1 tracks into RB2...am I missing something?

EDIT: Never mind, I actually opened the game manual, so now I know.
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Teal wrote:Okay, I've got Rock Band 2. I don't see the method for putting the RB1 tracks into RB2...am I missing something?
You actually do it from RB1, I believe under 'options', but if not you should be able to find it easily enough. You have to pay the $5 for the license, and then the songs are exported to the hard drive.
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webdanzer wrote:
Teal wrote:Okay, I've got Rock Band 2. I don't see the method for putting the RB1 tracks into RB2...am I missing something?
You actually do it from RB1, I believe under 'options', but if not you should be able to find it easily enough. You have to pay the $5 for the license, and then the songs are exported to the hard drive.
How much disk space does a full export take?
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GameSeven wrote:How much disk space does a full export take?
About 1.5 gigs. Not as bad as I expected actually.
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Is there any reason to keep RB1 after getting RB2?[/i]
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macsomjrr wrote:Is there any reason to keep RB1 after getting RB2?[/i]

If you really want to play 'Enter Sandman', 'Run to the Hills', and 'Paranoid'. Other than that, no.
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