OT: LOST Season 3 Discussion **** SPOILERS ****

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:45 pm

double post

GameSeven · Post by **GameSeven** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:46 pm

Zeppo wrote:I guess PK has forgotten about Evangeline Lilly? Yowza!

Seriously. Had a case of foot-in-mouth last night when they showed the flashback of Tom saying to Kate "You're not my type."

Wife: Watch, we'll find out that Tom is gay or something.

Me: He MUST be.

Wife glares menacingly

BTW, sharp-eyed Deadwood fans may have recognized a somewhat cleaner and less profane Robin Weigert (Calamity Jane) as Juliet's sister.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:00 pm

Maybe its just my mind getting mixed up in the show but....isn't Alex (girl who saved Sawyer/Kate) the crazy French lady's daughter? She had her child taken from her as an infant. Maybe thats me just making a connection but if that is true then Ben, the leader of the Others, and the crazy French lady are Alex's parents? Ah hell, I don't know.

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:03 pm

GameSeven wrote:
Zeppo wrote:I guess PK has forgotten about Evangeline Lilly? Yowza!
Seriously. Had a case of foot-in-mouth last night when they showed the flashback of Tom saying to Kate "You're not my type."

Wife: Watch, we'll find out that Tom is gay or something.

Me: He MUST be.

Wife glares menacingly

BTW, sharp-eyed Deadwood fans may have recognized a somewhat cleaner and less profane Robin Weigert (Calamity Jane) as Juliet's sister.

Yes, and the 'just delivered your baby' women appreciate open ogling of other women even more.

RallyMonkey · Post by **RallyMonkey** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:37 pm

Maybe its just my mind getting mixed up in the show but....isn't Alex (girl who saved Sawyer/Kate) the crazy French lady's daughter? She had her child taken from her as an infant. Maybe thats me just making a connection but if that is true then Ben, the leader of the Others, and the crazy French lady are Alex's parents? Ah hell, I don't know.

You are correct. My guess is they stole the child and Ben raised her thus the "father" reference. I don't think it's biological, then again i could be 100% wrong and they had a thing prior to the french woman not showering for 10 years.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:54 pm

Not sure if this was posted before but McFarlane is coming out with a series 2 of Lost Figures. Series 2 includes

Sawyer
Mr. Eko
Jin
Sun

http://mcfarlane.com/news/news6.aspx?id=13047

Here's the link to LOST series 1 :
http://mcfarlane.com/features/lost/locke.html

Boltman · Post by **Boltman** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:25 pm

Inuyasha wrote:Not sure if this was posted before but McFarlane is coming out with a series 2 of Lost Figures. Series 2 includes

Sawyer
Mr. Eko
Jin
Sun

http://mcfarlane.com/news/news6.aspx?id=13047

Here's the link to LOST series 1 :
http://mcfarlane.com/features/lost/locke.html

I dont know to call this sad or not, but my wife has all the series 1, and I know for a fact she will get all of the series 2 as well.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:01 am

Jesus H....this how just amazes me sometimes. Unbelievable stuff.

RallyMonkey · Post by **RallyMonkey** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:11 am

It's revving up boys. I think we're in for one hell of a ride over the next couple months.

Spooky · Post by **Spooky** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:46 am

I must have missed some stuff because I thought last nights was just okay. It was not nearly as revealing as Id thought it would be. Was there really anything shown that was not already hinted at or mentioned briefly before?

We already knew that Penny's father's company hosted the boat race. We already knew he had a falling out with her. We already knew most of this stuff it just covered it in detail. I must be missing some serious links or less obvious stuff here.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:41 pm

I have to say if as a Lost fan you're not onboard and stoked about the rest of this season after last nights episode, this show isn't for you. The last two weeks are giving us plenty of answers to questions that fans have been begging for.

Sure you have to look and use your brain and put the puzzle pieces together to get the results. But that is part of the fun of it, at least for me.

I don't want to ruin this for anyone else, but last nights episode and the one the week before seem to be hinting at the fact that the island itself may be in an anomaly. Perhaps a black hole.

Last week someone was reading a book and the page was opened to a chapter on black holes. The hatch imploding, instead of exploding. It would certainly explain a lot of what occurs on the island, Lockes sudden ability to walk for example. Desmonds apparent ability to traverse time and see the past, present and future.

Hell it even explains why Penn had a team trying to detect the location of the anomally at the end of season 2. Next weeks episode looks great as well, we find out what happened to all the children and the stewardess from the tail section.

For the first time, I finally feel the story coming together. It's still going to do it in Lost fashion and that's fine by me. I was really losing interest in this show, but these 2 episodes have me back and juiced.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:55 pm

I agree Danimal. I have been watching since episode #1 and last night was very satisfying. Next week looks to give even more answers too. The whole night watching the episode I kept thinking, "how do the writers think of this stuff!!??" I'm really enjoying the show this year. Its nice knowing it will be there every Wed. night for the next 14-15 weeks

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:27 pm

Danimal wrote:. . . last nights episode and the one the week before seem to be hinting at the fact that the island itself may be in an anomaly. Perhaps a black hole.

Diablo25 wrote:Unbelievable stuff.

That just about says it all, as far as I'm concerned. Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying the show for what it is, but it's very, very hard for me to take anything about it seriously anymore. The characters are interesting, but what passes for the plot is a just a touch hard to accept. All this intertwining of characters' past and future fates, all this tidy interweaving, is making me think at some point we will discover the whole thing has been dreamed up by some guy at a typewriter on the top of a mountain, and never really happened, sort of like that DS9 episode where Sisko was both Sisko and the writer in the 50s dreaming him up.

Last night's episode seemed to be saying: all this stuff happened; y'all knew it happened, but you didn't know the details, and even though the white haired lady knew it was happening, well, the guy still wore red shoes.

OK, so now we know Charlie is going to die. The episode proved it to us by demonstrating that despite Desmond's attempts to change his fate, the 'Universe' is smarter than he is and he can't outsmart it. So, now we have the next big question that we will wait with baited breath to be answered: how will Charlie die, and when? Or perhaps we'll forget about that sometime in a few weeks. What wasn't explained was how, if the hatch imploded, Desmond and the other two were ejected out of it. It puts the characters into an interesting position, both Charlie and Hume, in terms of fighting the future, but what does it say about Jack and Ben on the operating table, or the 'choices' made by Juliet, such as shooting the #2 tough guy among the Others?

matthewk · Post by **matthewk** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:17 pm

I enjoyed the Desmond's story last night, but it seemed like an episode of the Twilight Zone rather than part of the overall plot. It's things like these that make it look slike the writers are just making things up as they go in order to get some questions answered.

They also contradicted themselves a bit. At one point the jeweler lady says that she can't change the fact that it was his time. She could save him, but eventually he'd die, as the universe has a way of "course correcting" itself. Then why does it matter if Desmond married Penny or not? Would things be "course corrected" in that case as well? It was confusing to say at one point that we really don't have any choices, but then to see her trying to talk him out of making a choice. Which is it, does he have control over his path or not?

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:38 pm

It was an interesting EP....but the previews for that episode were misleading.

anyway...it was cool to get some backstory on him....

and charlie...eh..he can go anytime.

fanatic · Post by **fanatic** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:53 pm

matthewk wrote: They also contradicted themselves a bit. At one point the jeweler lady says that she can't change the fact that it was his time. She could save him, but eventually he'd die, as the universe has a way of "course correcting" itself. Then why does it matter if Desmond married Penny or not? Would things be "course corrected" in that case as well? It was confusing to say at one point that we really don't have any choices, but then to see her trying to talk him out of making a choice. Which is it, does he have control over his path or not?

Good point- but perhaps she gets a bonus from god for making sure he goes along with the plan early. Makes everyone's life easier.

Seriously though, I liked the series more when there were a few focused questions (ie. who are the others and why is there a freakin polar bear running around). Now we have time travel to deal with? I guess if you don't take it too seriously (which I don't), then it can still provide some cool moments and drama.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:02 pm

Here is the box they put themselves in. They said early on that everything that happened was plausible in the real world. I think this is why so many people are hung up on certain aspects of the story.

The writers said last nights episode was either going to hook people or send them running away for good. Perhaps that will be the case.

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:56 pm

It's a fun show, and there are a lot of elements that make it better than most, some technical (the photography, the design, etc.), some having to do with the overall mood (think about the first Desmond back story concerning his Island experience before the plane crashed, one of my favorite episodes) and the individual characters, many of whom are very compelling as are the relationships among them.

However, the degree to which it takes itself seriously seems to be in direct opposition to the lack of internal consistency and plausability. In some ways, that's part of the fun, in others, the main source of frustration for those (myself among them) who would like to believe that there is some coherent story or at least logic governing these events we are witnessing. Another big part of my personal frustration has to do with them killing off some of my favorite characters, such as Eko (even if there were outside factors there), as well as some of the cheap shots the writers have taken towards its audience (think about the school teacher and the way he was killed, essentially a bad punch line to a long, several episode joke that really just demonstrated how delicate and unstable TNT is, and thus served no greater purpose than to increase the tension and sense of danger involved in their moving the explosive to the hatch in time).

Heroes really does indicate that good serial television can be made, even if the writers do make it up as they go along and occasionally break some of the rules they set for themselves, not to mention fall prey to some very silly marketing tag lines. There may come a time when I am as angry at Heroes as I have been occasionally with Lost, but so far that show really feels like the plot is driving somewhere unambiguous.

These are TV shows, after all, so one can't expect too much from them. But part of the fun I have in watching Lost is in being able to b*tch about it.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:03 pm

Well it got a series low rating last night of 12.8 million, which still isn't bad considering it has no lead in show anymore.

But hell ABC ran Alias for 5 seasons and that show only drew 4-6 million an episdoe.

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:11 pm

fertility doctor recruited...

why?

so they could breed polar bears, sharks and dogs with bees in their mouths so when they bark they shoot bees?

(i added the last one myself...but i wouldn't bee surprised.

anyway....thoughts?

maddoc1979 · Post by **maddoc1979** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:25 pm

I swear the previews for last night's episode were for a completely different episode. Anyway...I enjoyed the episode. I've kind of stopped trying to think through the plot and analyze it. I just kind of go with it and let the creators take me where they will. It's just more fun that way...for me at least.

Doc

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:28 pm

maddoc1979 wrote:I swear the previews for last night's episode were for a completely different episode. Anyway...I enjoyed the episode. I've kind of stopped trying to think through the plot and analyze it. I just kind of go with it and let the creators take me where they will. It's just more fun that way...for me at least.

Doc

yeah...i just hope it doesn't go too science fictiony

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:18 am

Sudz wrote:fertility doctor recruited...

why?

so they could breed polar bears, sharks and dogs with bees in their mouths so when they bark they shoot bees?

LOL.

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:22 am

Sudz wrote: yeah...i just hope it doesn't go too science fictiony

Get?

Get?!?

Danimal's saying: 'Yeah, it all makes sense now. The paralyzed guy can walk again because he's inside a black hole,' and you're worried about it getting science fictiony?!

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:38 am

webdanzer wrote:
Sudz wrote: yeah...i just hope it doesn't go too science fictiony
Get?

Get?!?

Danimal's saying: 'Yeah, it all makes sense now. The paralyzed guy can walk again because he's inside a black hole,' and you're worried about it getting science fictiony?!

HA! yeah...GOOD point.

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