OT: NFL offseason thread

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:26 am

Leebo33 wrote:Damn, I was kind of hoping that he'd destruct an AFC team this time around. Oh well, at least I already hate the Cowboys so it's a good fit.

Yes, it's like I just got to double down on Dallas hatred and was dealt an ace.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:02 pm

Paul Tagliabue is retiring. Wow.

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:43 pm

It makes sense for Tagliabue to go out on top. Nothing he could do next could top his brokering of the new CBA.

He's never gotten the public attention of a guy like David Stern but Tagliabue has been very effective as Rozelle's successor. It sure helps though to have rising tide of dollars to rise all boats. On the other hand, you only have to look at Selig and Bettmann to see how important it will be to not hire a dud to replace Tagliabue.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:05 pm

"Joey, if you're hurting, so am I."

Lions fans will have a new QB to hate this fall. If a former top 5 pick is released and no one cares, does it make a sound?

SoMisss2000 · Post by **SoMisss2000** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:27 pm

Kazuya wrote:Unless you live in the metroplex, there is no way you can comprehend the weirdness that the Owens signing has brought on. While Owens was universally loathed throughout the NFL, no team's fans can touch the distaste for Owens that the Cowboys fans had.

I personally don't really care, free agency shocked me a decade ago when the Cowboys signed Deion after he helped the 49ers kick our butts on the way to the Super Bowl. That and Rodman on the Mavs for his brief run. After that, free agency can't faze me any more.

If you listened to ESPN 103.3 and the Ticket, just about every show spent their entire 3 hours bashing the deal and T.O. It was pathetic. These sorry assed media guys should be thanking Jerry for having something to write and talk about.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:58 pm

SoMisss2000 wrote:If you listened to ESPN 103.3 and the Ticket, just about every show spent their entire 3 hours bashing the deal and T.O. It was pathetic. These sorry assed media guys should be thanking Jerry for having something to write and talk about.

But then again, that's pretty much why Jerry did it. It gets people talking about the Cowboys again. They have been pretty boring in the past few years, so bringing a guy like TO kinda puts the spotlight on Jerry and Boys...just like he likes it...even if it means the turmoil that comes with signing a cancer like TO. Remember when he brought Deion in? The flashy, flamboyant, me first Deion? He only brought the Cowboys a Super Bowl the next year...Jerry is hoping for the same success with TO, even if it means TO goes TO the next year.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:23 pm

SoMisss2000 wrote:If you listened to ESPN 103.3 and the Ticket, just about every show spent their entire 3 hours bashing the deal and T.O. It was pathetic. These sorry assed media guys should be thanking Jerry for having something to write and talk about.

I didn't get to listen this afternoon, my friend... although I knew before hand what Galloway and the Hard Line thought about the whole thing. What was the general tone of the call-in audience?

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:46 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
SoMisss2000 wrote:If you listened to ESPN 103.3 and the Ticket, just about every show spent their entire 3 hours bashing the deal and T.O. It was pathetic. These sorry assed media guys should be thanking Jerry for having something to write and talk about.
But then again, that's pretty much why Jerry did it. It gets people talking about the Cowboys again. They have been pretty boring in the past few years, so bringing a guy like TO kinda puts the spotlight on Jerry and Boys...just like he likes it...even if it means the turmoil that comes with signing a cancer like TO. Remember when he brought Deion in? The flashy, flamboyant, me first Deion? He only brought the Cowboys a Super Bowl the next year...Jerry is hoping for the same success with TO, even if it means TO goes TO the next year.

What planet have you been living on db? The arrival of the Big Tuna had the football media writing and talking about the Cowboys nonstop.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:46 pm

Two years ago.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:18 am

TO will probably have a great year wearing the Cowboys uniform but his honeymoon with Parcells won't last. I see the big Tuna leaving the team in 07.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:41 am

SC had a feature about how Parcells "motivated" the players.

He was very abusive, pretty much a prick. Players said they hated him when they played for him but all revere him now.

Can't argue with his record.

They rationalized the verbal abuse by saying it was toughening up for the pressures of the 4th quarter.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:03 am

wco81 wrote:SC had a feature about how Parcells "motivated" the players.

He was very abusive, pretty much a prick. Players said they hated him when they played for him but all revere him now.

Can't argue with his record.

They rationalized the verbal abuse by saying it was toughening up for the pressures of the 4th quarter.

Maybe TO will cry like the b*tch she is?

or wait... maybe ESPN will do another self important self righteous movie like the Junction Boys and call it the Cow girls?...starring TO herself?

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:41 am

There are reports out of Dallas that T.O. has already asked to renegotiate his contract based on the Steve Hutchinson and Julian Peterson signing bonuses.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:19 am

I don't see how NFC East teams fans could be happy about TO signing in Dallas.

I personally remember how TO just destroyed the Giants secondary the few times he played against them with the Eagles.

He may become a problem for the Cowboys in 1 or 2 years, but all we care as fans is NEXT year. If the guy somehow helps them win a championship, he would be worth all the headaches he creates after that.

I actually woudln't have mind if the Giants would have snatched him up.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:20 am

Leebo33 wrote:There are reports out of Dallas that T.O. has already asked to renegotiate his contract based on the Steve Hutchinson and Julian Peterson signing bonuses.

If true, somehow that wouldnt surprise Me.

My only real question is......
What the hell took this long?

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:22 am

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:
I actually woudln't have mind if the Giants would have snatched him up.

Works for me. I really dont care which NFC east team I hate

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:40 am

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:He may become a problem for the Cowboys in 1 or 2 years, but all we care as fans is NEXT year. If the guy somehow helps them win a championship, he would be worth all the headaches he creates after that.

I actually woudln't have mind if the Giants would have snatched him up.

T.O. has zero championships in 10 seasons. His teams have advanced past the divisional round twice in his career (once on a team with a Hall of Fame QB and the other time the team advanced to the Super Bowl *without* him). I think the chances are much more likely that T.O. will create headaches than his team will win the Super Bowl. However, I don't think it's a bad business decision for the Cowboys, T.O. or the NFL for that matter.

I would have been devastated if the Steelers would have brought in T.O. even at the league minimum salary. Then again, I really didn't have to worry. There's a reason why the Steelers have had 2 coaches for as long as I can remember (and I'm 38 ), won 5 Super Bowls, and played *45* playoff games during my lifetime. Nobody is bigger than the team or the organization.

Programmed2Kill · Post by **Programmed2Kill** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:53 pm

Leebo33 wrote:
jLp vAkEr0 wrote:He may become a problem for the Cowboys in 1 or 2 years, but all we care as fans is NEXT year. If the guy somehow helps them win a championship, he would be worth all the headaches he creates after that.

I actually woudln't have mind if the Giants would have snatched him up.
T.O. has zero championships in 10 seasons. His teams have advanced past the divisional round twice in his career (once on a team with a Hall of Fame QB and the other time the team advanced to the Super Bowl *without* him). I think the chances are much more likely that T.O. will create headaches than his team will win the Super Bowl. However, I don't think it's a bad business decision for the Cowboys, T.O. or the NFL for that matter.

I would have been devastated if the Steelers would have brought in T.O. even at the league minimum salary. Then again, I really didn't have to worry. There's a reason why the Steelers have had 2 coaches for as long as I can remember (and I'm 38 ), won 5 Super Bowls, and played *45* playoff games during my lifetime. Nobody is bigger than the team or the organization.

Because the Steeler ownership has been kept in-family and they treat their team the same way. At least that is how outsiders view them. I don't know how Steeler fans view their team, but everyone else always says Pittsburgh is a "family" organization. That is why they have so much success and also why they don't take in chuckleheads like Owens.

That's why I was taken back by the Hines Ward situation last year. That surprised me lots. But when they got it taken care of real fast, I said to myself "Well, that's the Steelers for ya...".

Programmed2Kill · Post by **Programmed2Kill** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:56 pm

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:I don't see how NFC East teams fans could be happy about TO signing in Dallas.

I personally remember how TO just destroyed the Giants secondary the few times he played against them with the Eagles.

He may become a problem for the Cowboys in 1 or 2 years, but all we care as fans is NEXT year. If the guy somehow helps them win a championship, he would be worth all the headaches he creates after that.

I actually woudln't have mind if the Giants would have snatched him up.

Well then they should prepare for headaches, because the 'Boys are not that good. T.O. is just a pretty bow on something that is just..."meh".

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:45 am

Dolphins @ Steelers to kickoff the 2006 season on September 7th.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:55 am

Leebo33 wrote:
T.O. has zero championships in 10 seasons. His teams have advanced past the divisional round twice in his career (once on a team with a Hall of Fame QB and the other time the team advanced to the Super Bowl *without* him). I think the chances are much more likely that T.O. will create headaches than his team will win the Super Bowl. However, I don't think it's a bad business decision for the Cowboys, T.O. or the NFL for that matter.

I would have been devastated if the Steelers would have brought in T.O. even at the league minimum salary. Then again, I really didn't have to worry. There's a reason why the Steelers have had 2 coaches for as long as I can remember (and I'm 38 ), won 5 Super Bowls, and played *45* playoff games during my lifetime. Nobody is bigger than the team or the organization.

Still, they are alot of great players who never even sniff a Super Bowl appereance let alone win one. It's not like you can point at TO and say his teams haven't gotten to the big game because of him. Well, maybe last year's Eagles, but still.

And remember, some of his teamates in Philly where lobbying him to comeback last year. So they knew their chances where better with him than without him.

In the Super Bowl he did play, TO was great. It wasn't his fault that Philly lost it.

My point is, when the guy does play, he's a top 5 WR.

I'm like most of you guys, I really don't like the guy, but I wouldn't have minded if my team took a shot at him.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:24 am

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:[And remember, some of his teamates in Philly where lobbying him to comeback last year. So they knew their chances where better with him than without him.

Thats the other problem with TO. His abilty to divide the locker room. A skill that cant be good in a total team sport.

TO is a give me an inch and I wll take a mile type jag so Dallas might be the only place that it can handle him. I doubt Parcells will put with much if any of his bullshit.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:29 am

XXXIV wrote:
jLp vAkEr0 wrote:[And remember, some of his teamates in Philly where lobbying him to comeback last year. So they knew their chances where better with him than without him.

Thats the other problem with TO. His abilty to divide the locker room. A skill that cant be good in a total team sport.

TO is a give me an inch and I wll take a mile type jag so Dallas might be the only place that it can handle him. I doubt Parcells will put with much if any of his bullshit.

Hey, don't get me wrong.

I hope the guy implodes and drives the Cowboys to the ground.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:34 am

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:
XXXIV wrote:
jLp vAkEr0 wrote:[And remember, some of his teamates in Philly where lobbying him to comeback last year. So they knew their chances where better with him than without him.

Thats the other problem with TO. His abilty to divide the locker room. A skill that cant be good in a total team sport.

TO is a give me an inch and I wll take a mile type jag so Dallas might be the only place that it can handle him. I doubt Parcells will put with much if any of his bullshit.
Hey, don't get me wrong.

I hope the guy implodes and drives the Cowboys to the ground.

I hear that...

I just love bashing him almost as much he loves himself.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:59 am

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:I'm like most of you guys, I really don't like the guy, but I wouldn't have minded if my team took a shot at him.

I would probably sell every piece of Steeler clothing that I own if the Steelers signed T.O. I'm not saying that the Steelers have always had model citizens on the team, but they haven't purposely brought a divisive player into the lockeroom/city during my lifetime. I'd be devastated if they started now. I've been embarrassed by the actions of players in Steeler uniforms (excessive celebrations, minor law violations, etc) but it never got to the point where I felt guilty rooting for them.