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jLp vAkEr0 wrote:The fact is fans in Toronto have had nothing to cheer for after their Championships years and the fact that managment is actually trying to put out a decent product must make them very happy.
Yeah, but that happiness can be short lived. I'm speaking from experience. After years of losing players like Jagr and Kovalev for fiscal reasons, it was nice to see the Pens open the wallets this offseason. However, that happiness only lasted a few months until it was apparent that they may not have spent their money wisely.

I think it is great that the Jays have an interest in improving their team, but I'm not convinced they are spending it the right way. It will only make matters worse for Jays fans if these risky and/or costly investments don't pan out.
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Those are my feelings to Leebo. There is nothing worse than getting excited for a season, then having it blow up in your face. I am a southwest ohio sports fan, so I have a doctorate on the subject
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Leebo33 wrote:
jLp vAkEr0 wrote:The fact is fans in Toronto have had nothing to cheer for after their Championships years and the fact that managment is actually trying to put out a decent product must make them very happy.
Yeah, but that happiness can be short lived.
Of course it can.

But atleast they are trying. Not the same can be said for alot of other teams.

That's my point.
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Dont know JLP,

Sometimes I wish some of my fav teams would just cash it in play the young players and take there lumps vs. spending all this money, getting me excited and then underacheiving. This is just a death wish for a franchise. See 97-200 Boston Celtics.
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EDiddy wrote:Sometimes I wish some of my fav teams would just cash it in play the young players and take there lumps vs. spending all this money, getting me excited and then underacheiving.
I agree. The Pirates have put themselves into an even deeper hole by "trying" to show the fans that they will spend some money. If they would have saved the money they spent on long term contracts for Kevin Young, Pat Meares, Derek Bell, etc. they may have had some money to keep Aramis Ramirez at least to his free agency years. Of course, the main reason they were in trouble financially was the Jason Kendall contract, which was another example of a poor attempt to show the fans they were trying by signing a popular player to a long term contract.

Sure, it appears that the Blue Jays got "good" to "very good" players, but the fact that they didn't get more for the money could come back to haunt them. Were they bidding against themselves for Ryan and Burnett? What was the second biggest offer for those players?
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With an already crowded infield, and the acquisitions of Glaus and Overbay, Blue Jays decide to send C.Koskie to the Brewers for a minor league pitcher. Poor guy lasted only 1 year with Toronto.
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I like the Brewers pickup of Koskie. He's not a long term solution but he's better than the Helms/Branyan/Cirillo mess they had at 3B last year. The Jays are picking up half his contract through 2007.
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Cubs dealt Patterson for a couple of spare parts.

http://www.all-baseball.com/cubreporter/

You Orioles fans thought that Tejada was grouchy before... :)
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As I said earlier in this thread, the definition of a guy in need of a change of scenery. The weird thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if he turned into a good ballplayer for them.

But then again, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. :lol:
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RobVarak wrote:Cubs dealt Patterson for a couple of spare parts.

http://www.all-baseball.com/cubreporter/

You Orioles fans thought that Tejada was grouchy before... :)
LOL at "Our long national nightmare is over." Patterson was the only player I ever saw that could give Todd Hundley a run in the "least amount of plate discipline" department. EA really modelled him correctly in MVP -- he would swing at pitches even when I didn't press the button.
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A's get their DH big hurt Thomas.
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Another solid move for Beane and the A's. The Big Hurt is the ultimate Moneyball player. His base contract is really low with bonuses for plate appearances.

The big question out here is whether he'll weigh more than Bonds.
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sfz_T-car wrote:Another solid move for Beane and the A's. The Big Hurt is the ultimate Moneyball player. His base contract is really low with bonuses for plate appearances.

The big question out here is whether he'll weigh more than Bonds.
I don't see how it's a good signing really. The guy is an injury waiting to happen. Waste of 500 grand if you ask me. Now he'll probably go on to hit .300 and have 30 bombs and 90+ rbis. You're welcome.
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I'm very sad to see the Big Hurt go. When healthy, the guy can still hit. The problem is he hasn't been able to stay healthy the past couple of seasons. IMO he's a Hall of Famer. I'm sure others would disagree.
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Agree w/ Scoop that he belongs in Cooperstown. Anti DH bias will hurt him, along with the juiced up offensive stats of the 90s. But he's consistently been the second best hitter of his era. It's too bad that the 94 strike interrupted his career year. >1200 OPS is just ridiculous.
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I agree with both of you...Frank Thomas is a HoFer....
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Thomas along with Juan Gonzalez will be the ultimate tests for the HOF and the 90s era of steroidic power...
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Frank Thomas was comparable statistically to ANYONE in baseball history up to when Sammy and Mark took off. After that point, he looked like a lost player, with the exception of the 2000 season and other bursts of unsustained brilliance.

With Frank Thomas, you get the feeling that he could have done so much more if he was a little more emotionally stable. There was always someone out to get him in his mind.
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Carlos Martinez died. He was only 40. Unspecified causes. :(

He's the answer to a great trivia question which I'm surprised wasn't mentioned in this article, or any of a few articles I googled on his death: He's the guy that hit the homerun that bounced off of Jose Conseco's head.

http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/NASApp ... p&c_id=cle
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