A-Rod Juiced In '03 - Story At SI.com

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:19 pm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/b ... index.html

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:23 pm

I am not surprised.

Bud Selig's, MLB's, ESPN's and the baseball writers creation, the wonderful steroid era, will keep on reaping rewards for years to come.

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:33 pm

It is not who juiced, it is who didn't juice....

and I agree - Selig knew about it and did not care as the $$$ was rolling in.

pigpen81 · Post by **pigpen81** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:35 pm

The biggest shame is that some of baseball's most sacred records are now meaningless.

I wonder if Selig would have the cojones to wipe them clean and go back to Aaron, Maris and Ruth holding the records? I would LOVE that!

dougb · Post by **dougb** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:02 pm

pigpen81 wrote:The biggest shame is that some of baseball's most sacred records are now meaningless.

I wonder if Selig would have the cojones to wipe them clean and go back to Aaron, Maris and Ruth holding the records? I would LOVE that!

I'd love to see them tear up the records from the age of steroids - or at least asterisk them all. Would serve the buggers right.

Best wishes,

Doug

Gurantsu · Post by **Gurantsu** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:18 pm

I'd dump the records. The fans all know who really holds them, baseball should stand up and make it official.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:37 pm

Gurantsu wrote:I'd dump the records. The fans all know who really holds them, baseball should stand up and make it official.

100 percent agree. What a sham baseball has been.

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:44 pm

A-Rod taking steroids, shocka !

Sadly baseball is a game built around stats and numbers so I doubt anyone would throw out the steroid era. It's just better to put an asterisk next to the players name but both baseball and the MLBPA rejected that. As was said earlier we have an idea who cheated like Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, Clemens etc.

F308GTB · Post by **F308GTB** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:57 pm

How do you fix it? Don't go to games or buy merchandise licensed by MLB. I haven't watched a game in ages (except in Japan) and frankly care less about American baseball.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:48 pm

sportdan30 wrote:
Gurantsu wrote:I'd dump the records. The fans all know who really holds them, baseball should stand up and make it official.
100 percent agree. What a sham baseball has been.

..and I agree as well.. baseball used to be my favorite sport.. it's about #3 and continues to slip....

pigpen81 · Post by **pigpen81** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:12 pm

The excellent MLB network is ALL over this story. Impressive. I thought it would be a shill for Selig.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:31 pm

F308GTB wrote:How do you fix it? Don't go to games or buy merchandise licensed by MLB. I haven't watched a game in ages (except in Japan) and frankly care less about American baseball.

The strike in 1994 destroyed my waning interest in baseball. I followed the sport again during McGwire and Sosa's home run chase and Ripken surpassing Gehrig's Iron Man record.

My interest quickly receded again, and now that I know two of the three players who lured me back to the game were juiced, I have zero regrets about dropping the game for a second time -- this time probably for good.

Bottom line: I like sports with constant motion and action, so baseball probably wouldn't captivate me much anyways. But when you add in the legacy of juicers over the last 15 years, the game has completely lost me.

Take care,
PK

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:32 pm

pigpen81 wrote:The excellent MLB network is ALL over this story. Impressive. I thought it would be a shill for Selig.

Wow. That's admirable. As much as I dig the NHL Network, I doubt it would have the editorial stones to cover a controversy like that.

Take care,
PK

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:41 pm

pk500 wrote:
pigpen81 wrote:The excellent MLB network is ALL over this story. Impressive. I thought it would be a shill for Selig.
Wow. That's admirable. As much as I dig the NHL Network, I doubt it would have the editorial stones to cover a controversy like that.

Take care,
PK

Yeah, they're even blowing-off their "regularly scheduled programming" to cover it 'live'. Nice!

bulls23 · Post by **bulls23** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:08 pm

pk500 wrote:
F308GTB wrote:How do you fix it? Don't go to games or buy merchandise licensed by MLB. I haven't watched a game in ages (except in Japan) and frankly care less about American baseball.
The strike in 1994 destroyed my waning interest in baseball. I followed the sport again during McGwire and Sosa's home run chase and Ripken surpassing Gehrig's Iron Man record.

My interest quickly receded again, and now that I know two of the three players who lured me back to the game were juiced, I have zero regrets about dropping the game for a second time -- this time probably for good.

Bottom line: I like sports with constant motion and action, so baseball probably wouldn't captivate me much anyways. But when you add in the legacy of juicers over the last 15 years, the game has completely lost me.

Take care,
PK

I would venture a guess that you two never were a real fan of the sport anyway. I enjoy the strategy, pace, intracies and history of the game. There is a lot more to baseball to enjoy than the current juicers. Cal Ripken, Tony Gwynn, Ozzie Smith, Mike Schmidt, Ryne Sandberg, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and others like them made me love the game and have more class in their eyelash than any of these steroid punks.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:10 pm

Not surprising at all. There's always been rumors and mumblings about A-Rod's behaviour, Canseco names him and yeah who cares about records in MLB. There goes my vote for the HoF.

F308GTB · Post by **F308GTB** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:23 pm

bulls23 wrote:I would venture a guess that you two never were a real fan of the sport anyway. I enjoy the strategy, pace, intracies and history of the game. There is a lot more to baseball to enjoy than the current juicers. Cal Ripken, Tony Gwynn, Ozzie Smith, Mike Schmidt, Ryne Sandberg, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and others like them made me love the game and have more class in their eyelash than any of these steroid punks.

I was a tremendous fan of the sport. Played as a kid, organized and out in the street. Collected baseball cards as a kid and had my own simulated baseball games with those cards. To this day I remember a time growing up in Dallas watching a game on summer break and playing my simulated game with my trading cards. I absolutely love the history. I've got plenty of baseball memorabilia. But the players you list are sadly from a bygone era. Ripken was a true workman, Gwynn the best hitter since Williams, Smith just a great player, etc. And respect for guys like Mays and Aaron is a given. But I bet those players shake their heads in disgust just as much as me.

Baseball just isn't what it used to be. I like the old style of play. I actually enjoy watching baseball when I'm in Japan, both in person and on television. It reminds me of how the game used to be played here - bunts, steals, sacrifices. I got a tremendous thrill two years ago walking in Ueno Park in Tokyo and happening upon a top notch amateur game. It's actually nice to be imbedded in a culture where a large percentage of the population actively plays it. I was on a long bike ride at the end of January one year over there and there was a kids team already practicing for the upcoming season.

The American version of the sport has changed for the worse over the last 2 decades, viewed as a spectator and the lack of popularity in today's youth.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:34 pm

pk500 wrote:
Bottom line: I like sports with constant motion and action, so baseball probably wouldn't captivate me much anyways. But when you add in the legacy of juicers over the last 15 years, the game has completely lost me.

Take care,
PK

Well we always have the Tour De France...

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:39 pm

bulls23 wrote:I would venture a guess that you two never were a real fan of the sport anyway. I enjoy the strategy, pace, intracies and history of the game. There is a lot more to baseball to enjoy than the current juicers. Cal Ripken, Tony Gwynn, Ozzie Smith, Mike Schmidt, Ryne Sandberg, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and others like them made me love the game and have more class in their eyelash than any of these steroid punks.

I would venture a guess that you're 100 percent wrong.

I LIVED for baseball as a kid. Played Little League, Babe Ruth, had posters of Reggie Jackson and Catfish Hunter in my room, listened to and watched games quite a bit, pored over box scores and stats, collected baseball cards, etc.

It is possible for people's tastes in sport to change. Mine have. For example, 15 years ago I thought soccer was the queerest sport on the planet. Now I love the game and enjoy watching and playing it. I revered baseball as a kid. Now I have zero interest in it.

Tastes change. I know I'm not alone as a person who followed baseball avidly in the 70s and 80s and now has lost interest in the game.

The same thing has happened to me with basketball. Used to love it. Now I have little time for it, except for the odd Syracuse game.

There are only four sports I have followed from my early years of elementary school until today, at age 43: Hockey, football, boxing and Indy-style racing (Indianapolis 500). It's no surprise they remain my favorites today.

Take care,
PK

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:50 pm

bdoughty wrote:

Well we always have the Tour De France...

Yes...The French did find a banned substance in Armstrong's hotel room.

Deodorant.

I know ...I know... but thats what I think of when I think of that race...

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:57 pm

I got to ask. Do those of you who love the NFL think that sport is clean? IMO, it's as dirty or more so than baseball. Why does it get a free pass?

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:03 pm

sportdan30 wrote:I got to ask. Do those of you who love the NFL think that sport is clean? IMO, it's as dirty or more so than baseball. Why does it get a free pass?

Probably cause we dont care very much about the records and stats the way we do about baseball...We care but not like in baseball. Its part of the game in baseball in a way it is not in any other sport.

I used to score every single baseball game I went to or watched on tv til I was about 13-14....

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:26 pm

sportdan30 wrote:I got to ask. Do those of you who love the NFL think that sport is clean? IMO, it's as dirty or more so than baseball. Why does it get a free pass?

Baseball's most hallowed offensive stat -- home runs -- was assaulted and reshaped by a corps of players who used steroids. Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Canseco, A-Rod, Giambi, etc. I don't think the NFL passing or rushing records were threatened and toppled by a group of guys on the juice.

We went from shortstops and second basemen hitting 10 to 15 taters per year suddenly to those positions hitting 30 or 40 dingers per year. The drugs made a mockery of the game.

Plus NFL management during Tagliabue and Goodell's tenures established the strictest anti-drug policy in the "big four." Contrast that with Selig, who was asleep at the wheel and only shamed into action by Congress.

Take care,
PK

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:32 pm

sportdan30 wrote:I got to ask. Do those of you who love the NFL think that sport is clean? IMO, it's as dirty or more so than baseball. Why does it get a free pass?

I would venture to say no because of one simple reason. The NFL actively pursues and punishes cheaters whereas in baseball you have the all powerful MLBPA run by Donald "Grandpa Munster" Fehr. He has more power than Bud Selig.

Also the NFL tries to stay current with all the latest synthetic drugs and then bans them. One other reason why I say the NFL is cleaner than Major League Baseball. There's a lot of betting money in the NFL. The last thing the NFL wants is the perception that the sport is rigged by cheaters.

dougb · Post by **dougb** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:42 pm

sportdan30 wrote:I got to ask. Do those of you who love the NFL think that sport is clean? IMO, it's as dirty or more so than baseball. Why does it get a free pass?

I'm not sure that it does get a free pass - if it does then it shouldn't.

A huge part of baseball is the statistics. When you think of baseball and discussions of baseball by fans alot of it centers around the stats of players. So when you have an entire era that is suspect because players have been cheating with performance enhancers you pretty much rip the soul out of the game.

And that's pretty much what cheaters like Mcguire, Sosa, ARrod, Clemens et al. have done. They've ripped the soul out of the game.

Best wishes,

Doug