Bball 2009 : NBA Live 09 or NBA 2k9?

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:43 pm

My girl just tipped her hand. I think she's getting me 2K9 for Christmas.

I've basically ignored bball games for the last 2 or 3 years.

I d/l both demos for the PS3 and neither felt "great".

Which of the 2 are you guys enjoying more?

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:44 pm

2K without a doubt in the world. Especially if you haven't played it the last few years. Some may have tired of the same formula, but it's a fantastic game.

snaz16 · Post by **snaz16** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:51 pm

Ditto what db said.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:52 pm

NCAA Basketball 09!!!

They even have the Puerto Rico Tip-Off, with a special court made for it.

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:22 pm

I have NBA Live 09 (PS3) and 2K9 (PC). No contest 2K9 if you like a realistic hoops game. NBA Live 09 isn't bad this year (actually fun) and they have stepped up but there is still a wide gap between the two.

ddtrane · Post by **ddtrane** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:23 pm

I play Live. I like the NBA Academy and I'm a sucker for Be A Pro. It also has BAP online and online team play.

For whats its worth 2K also online team play, but I like the extras with Live.

How does it compare to 2K? Not sure, but I'm enjoying it, and thats all that matters.

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:59 pm

I just want to make a fecking layup in NBA2k9. That crap frustrates me more than ever. But it is a good game.

Murph · Post by **Murph** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:50 pm

I wanted to try some different this year and definitely gave Live and NCAA enough playing time, but in the end, I went back to 2K9.

pigpen81 · Post by **pigpen81** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:25 pm

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:My girl just tipped her hand. I think she's getting me 2K9 for Christmas.

I've basically ignored bball games for the last 2 or 3 years.

I d/l both demos for the PS3 and neither felt "great".

Which of the 2 are you guys enjoying more?

Javi, your girl looks like that, AND buys you videogames?

You should have married her yesterday!

What are you waiting for?

Lucky bastard!

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:56 am

pigpen81 wrote:
jLp vAkEr0 wrote:My girl just tipped her hand. I think she's getting me 2K9 for Christmas.

I've basically ignored bball games for the last 2 or 3 years.

I d/l both demos for the PS3 and neither felt "great".

Which of the 2 are you guys enjoying more?

Javi, your girl looks like that, AND buys you videogames?

You should have married her yesterday!

What are you waiting for?

Lucky bastard!

She's actually never bought me a videogame.

But I'm still expecting to marry her.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:59 am

bdoughty wrote:NCAA Basketball 09!!!

They even have the Puerto Rico Tip-Off, with a special court made for it.

No s***?

I do know that NBA Live has the FIBA national teams, including Puerto Rico.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:33 pm

I got NBA Live just because I wanted a different experience. 2K is still a good game but I wanted a different vibe. Live is definitely a solid game. I have enjoyed it. It is the best in the series in a long time.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:19 pm

Diablo25 wrote:I got NBA Live just because I wanted a different experience. 2K is still a good game but I wanted a different vibe. Live is definitely a solid game. I have enjoyed it. It is the best in the series in a long time.

I agree. Live is flat out FUN while 2K9 may play out more accurately, it was just more of the same as 2K8. Also, the isomotion controls are frustrating to learn. Live is more pick up and play friendly.

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:45 pm

I still don't get the Isomotion controls. Live is more fun but 2K9 has the more realistic feel to it.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:46 pm

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:
bdoughty wrote:NCAA Basketball 09!!!

They even have the Puerto Rico Tip-Off, with a special court made for it.
No s***?

I do know that NBA Live has the FIBA national teams, including Puerto Rico.

Yuppers, I just played on that court last night.

The biggest issue with the Live/NCAA engine is that on defense you have only so much control of your players. The AI wants to correct you and put you in position. They really need to go back to the "hold trigger down to get in defensive stance and play defense yourself." Defense just feels dumbed down, compared to March Madness 08.

Also they really need to add more camera angles. Pretty paltry compared to the 2K series.

Afrodamus · Post by **Afrodamus** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:12 am

still on da fence...Here's a good read on LIVE & 2K:

Originally Posted by Da_Czar
In reality its all about what is important to us as individual games AND how we each as individuals play the game, AND how we each translate in our own minds our vision of the NBA experience into what we see from each game.

For every thing you mentioned someone may be able to point out just as big a list with 2k. The only thing is it probably would be different things that are important to us that 2k may not do as well.

Every single one of us makes allowances for the game we prefer to play. That is just how it is. We will consciously not put the engine in situations it does not handle well.

Some people are into testing a game engine far more than playing it. Like for instance jtdribbles my man is thorough. Some of the things he tries like putting rad at point I personally would not because that doesn't represent real basketball to me. But its a way for him to see if the subtle differences that represent basketball to him are fixed in this engine.

So he is going to see something I won't becasue I am not testing the engine I am playing the game.

I said this a few years ago that if we were able to see extended video on how each of us plays the game and then see their complaints we would be like OKAY I see why you think ....this or that.

The one truth is that live is not as deep as 2k9 there is no debating this and some people equate gameplay or sim with a complete experience. No one here can debate that but these games are on different levels.

2k is a sliding mess and even if you LOVE the game you can't deny that. So you make an allowance and everything that sits on top of that fact is effected but you are able to say okay I will sacrifice that for all the things I like.

So a game like live with no sliding may not move as smoothly as 2k but some will overlook some of the smoothness issues to play a game that feels like next gen. So that is where an allowance is made on that side.

I would venture to say that most people who see the genius in live are struck by a deep sense of authenticity in the actual gameplay department. Let me be specific because gameplay can be defined in so many different ways.

Gameplay for me in how live is better and more authentic is this. The players in nba live are in the same positions they are in the real nba becaue live has real team sets. this means that in real life bosh gets the ball a ton at the high post. Whether he is scoring or playing off someone else.

In live he is in that position all the time. and takes shots from there all the time. In fact some of the exact plays they run in real live you can run in live.

Sliders or no sliders 2k can not replicate this because of the generic nature of their playcalling system and playbooks. In fact lives variation systems offers a much more alive cpu in this particular aspect that makes it hard to go back to playing a generic system with generic plays that are not found in most nba playbooks.

I look at it briefly in this manner.

Live is more realistic in getting the right players in the right positions to make the right plays. 2k is better once your players get the ball they will move more like you think they should and have a crap load of options once they get it to look like and play the individual they are..

So it depends on what you focus on and how you play as to which game is not only better but more authentic.

So if someone doesn't play online they may not even notice the things that frustrate you to no end. But conversely the things you may not notice in 2k will drive another person absolutely bonkers.

2k is more mature and complete but EA is more accurate due to DNA. So what happens when the accuracy of EA meets the variability of animations and play styles ?

that is what we will all have the option to answer in 2010.

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Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:09 am

The one glaring thing that sticks out about NBA 2K and still has not been addressed next-gen is why players continue to play out of position? Why does my PG decide he wants to play Center on defense after the other side puts the ball back in play after a score?

That's not a problem with Live. I have both and enjoy each for their strengths.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:47 am

Rodster wrote:The one glaring thing that sticks out about NBA 2K and still has not been addressed next-gen is why players continue to play out of position? Why does my PG decide he wants to play Center on defense after the other side puts the ball back in play after a score?

Not seeing this in the PC version of 2K9....

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 12:47 pm

DivotMaker wrote:
Rodster wrote:The one glaring thing that sticks out about NBA 2K and still has not been addressed next-gen is why players continue to play out of position? Why does my PG decide he wants to play Center on defense after the other side puts the ball back in play after a score?
Not seeing this in the PC version of 2K9....

Weird cause I see it on the PC version and on NBA 2K7 and NBA 2K8 (360). It's an intermittent bug that appears and disappears. I can make the problem go away if I do player lock.

This bug started on NBA 2K6 for the original Xbox.

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:33 pm

DivotMaker wrote:
Rodster wrote:The one glaring thing that sticks out about NBA 2K and still has not been addressed next-gen is why players continue to play out of position? Why does my PG decide he wants to play Center on defense after the other side puts the ball back in play after a score?
Not seeing this in the PC version of 2K9....

I'm not either.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:32 pm

I don't see it on the 360 version either. Maybe it has something to do with Auto Subs or whatever, but I do everything manually so that's probably the issue.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:44 pm

Well she girl couldn't decide which of the games to get me so she went the gift card route. Maybe for the best since we maybe getting RB 2 or GH:WT this weekend.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:43 pm

I played a few games of Live against my cousins and, while enjoyable, it's still very arcade-like. I don't think it's even as good as 2k8 was in terms of resembling realistic basketball. It's very offense-oriented. We had a lot of fun with it but I couldn't see myself enjoying the one-player experience for very long.

BTW, Best Buy has 2k9 for 37.99 for the PS3.

Afrodamus · Post by **Afrodamus** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:47 pm

Brando70 wrote:I played a few games of Live against my cousins and, while enjoyable, it's still very arcade-like. I don't think it's even as good as 2k8 was in terms of resembling realistic basketball. It's very offense-oriented. We had a lot of fun with it but I couldn't see myself enjoying the one-player experience for very long.

BTW, Best Buy has 2k9 for 37.99 for the PS3.

You must be playing against morons or playing the game like a moron because the one area this game excels in is the halfcourt game and how it very closely replicates what individual players do.

2k8 was/is better than 2k9...But IMO the 2k series has been tired since about 2006...Not to mention the way the game slides and the horrific online play of 2k9. A true gaming fan will take each game for what its worth and find enjoyment in both...IMO 2k relies too heavily on animations that the user has no control of...meanwhile LIVE gives you more pure user control. 2K has a far more animations and the animations, presentation etc are all beautiful in 2k but the ugliness of the players skating coupled with the questionable graphical quality of all 2k sports titles is starting to get a little old. Not to mention I want to be in control of the game as opposed to watching the CPU do the animations for me whenever it wants to.

Is LIVE as complete as 2k...IMO NO...But considering LIVE has actually rebuilt their game and tailored it for the 360's and Ps3's I think they are on a better track than 2k who has simply continued to rest on their laurels and regurgitate the same old game for over 5 years now.

I personally play exclusively ONLINE with all of my sports titles so 2K would be a disaster for me if I wanted to play it online...The online for 2k is inexcusable...More so than the Skating players.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:05 pm

Afrodamus wrote:
Brando70 wrote:I played a few games of Live against my cousins and, while enjoyable, it's still very arcade-like. I don't think it's even as good as 2k8 was in terms of resembling realistic basketball. It's very offense-oriented. We had a lot of fun with it but I couldn't see myself enjoying the one-player experience for very long.

BTW, Best Buy has 2k9 for 37.99 for the PS3.
You must be playing against morons or playing the game like a moron because the one area this game excels in is the halfcourt game and how it very closely replicates what individual players do.

First of all, you know what they say when you assume anything....

I have played every NBA 2k game, and I have had my issues with the series at times, but I disagree that it has been tired. Madden has been tired, 2k has refined what it already did well. It is to pro hoops what The Show is to pro baseball.

You can tell almost immediately that Live is still an arcade title at its heart. It's a good game, and EA should be commended for turning the series around. However, I don't think its as realistic as 2k. In particular, I found the defensive side to be lacking. I also missed the shot stick. I admittedly just played a few games, but having played a lot of 2k, I didn't see anything here that made me want to switch. Just my opinion.

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