World Series discusion

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:11 am

Fantastic starting pitching from Anthony Reyes. I would have never have imagined him pitching eight strong innings. I almost looked at this game as a throw-a-away game.

Great to see Rolen step up and get some big hits. I love Duncan in the number two hole. I'll go nuts if we see Preston Wilson batting second, or for that matter starting another game.

Glad to see the Cardinals are going to make it a series. Also, I can't believe it's been since 2003 since the NL has won a game in the World Series.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:02 am

I wonder what the Sports Guy thought of the AAAA team kicking Detroit's butt last night.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:36 pm

Hope the umpires check Kenny Roger's hand! He appears to have some pine tar or another form of substance on it. Joe Buck and Tim McCarver pointed it out.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:59 pm

Rogers is an f'n CHEATER! Seems the foreign substance mysteriously disappeared in the second inning. That's bull*&^*!

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:38 pm

Yeah, right after it was discussed with the Cardinals and Tigers. If it was something, he would have gotten ejected. Yeah, it was a coverup. It's amazing how much pointless yapping goes on when your team is getting dominated. People get stuff on their hands, sleeves, pants, etc. all of the time. They get rid of it and they carry on. It's not like Rogers was dominant in the first and then sucked since they removed it.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:44 pm

Rogers is bringing it (for him) at 91 mph tonight... although you can never trust Fox's jacked up radar guns. With or without the gunk on his hands, the Cards can't do anything against him.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:21 pm

That got interesting at least.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:30 pm

Yep, the Cards had a chance to tie the ball game. I was cursing at the tv when Wilson came to bat. Thankfully, he was hit by the pitch. In hindsight, I would have rather seen Taguchi hit for Wilson.

Gotta give credit to Rogers though. Even after he tried a pull a fast one on the Cardinals and the umpires, he beared down and pitched a masterpiece. It can't be easy knowing that you purposely put something on your hand to doctor the ball, continue pitching, and keeping your focus. I'm curious what his comments will be about whatever was on his hand.

I'm escatic about a split in Detroit. Hopefully, Carpenter can bounce back and pitch like he's capable of doing. I like that he'll be pitching in St. Louis. Maybe his nerves and command will be a bit better pitching at home.

Good series so far.

matthewk · Post by **matthewk** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:39 am

sportdan30 wrote:Gotta give credit to Rogers though. Even after he tried a pull a fast one on the Cardinals and the umpires, he beared down and pitched a masterpiece. It can't be easy knowing that you purposely put something on your hand to doctor the ball, continue pitching, and keeping your focus. I'm curious what his comments will be about whatever was on his hand.

The umpires talked to everyone, and no one was ejected. If he was caught cheating he would have been thrown out of the game.

Do you know for a fact what was on his hand? Do you know how it got there? No? Then shut up about it already. The Cards were owned the entire game, with or without any mysterious substances.

Spooky · Post by **Spooky** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:23 pm

matthewk wrote:
sportdan30 wrote:Gotta give credit to Rogers though. Even after he tried a pull a fast one on the Cardinals and the umpires, he beared down and pitched a masterpiece. It can't be easy knowing that you purposely put something on your hand to doctor the ball, continue pitching, and keeping your focus. I'm curious what his comments will be about whatever was on his hand.
The umpires talked to everyone, and no one was ejected. If he was caught cheating he would have been thrown out of the game.

Do you know for a fact what was on his hand? Do you know how it got there? No? Then shut up about it already. The Cards were owned the entire game, with or without any mysterious substances.

Yeah but that mysterious substance has been on his hand for each of the playoff games he has pitched so far. Definitely NOT a coincidence. Does he need whatever that stuff is, obviuosly not, but he is definitely doing something to the ball until he gets caught.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:35 pm

This might be the stupidest scandal in the history of baseball. Like DB said, it's not like the substance made him any more dominant. Furthermore, considering that he's a veteran pitcher, I find it hard to believe that Rogers would leave a substance like that in plain sight on his hand if he wanted to cheat. Makes no sense. The umps came out, didn't suspect he was cheating, and he removed the substance after an inning.

nyisles16 · Post by **nyisles16** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:35 pm

maybe the clubhouse ran out of some TP?

Spooky · Post by **Spooky** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:43 pm

Did you guys see Sports Center last night where they showed the same exact stuff in the same exact spot on his hand for each of the playoff games he has pitched in so far?

Again, the guy pitched great regardless last night, but there is something going on here more that just 1 inning of last nights game.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:11 pm

Stupidest scandal? Come on now. There are so many indications that Rogers was up to something, not only last night, but in the previous division and league championship series as well.

If Dusty had been the opposing manager, you can bet LaRussa would have raised some hell.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:31 pm

The proof is in the pudding. Confirmed he had this substance on his hand in the division series and league championship series. Then again, maybe he just never showers. He's a joke IMO.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1EoeDA8E874

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:47 pm

matthewk wrote:
sportdan30 wrote:Gotta give credit to Rogers though. Even after he tried a pull a fast one on the Cardinals and the umpires, he beared down and pitched a masterpiece. It can't be easy knowing that you purposely put something on your hand to doctor the ball, continue pitching, and keeping your focus. I'm curious what his comments will be about whatever was on his hand.
The umpires talked to everyone, and no one was ejected. If he was caught cheating he would have been thrown out of the game.

Do you know for a fact what was on his hand? Do you know how it got there? No? Then shut up about it already. The Cards were owned the entire game, with or without any mysterious substances.

We were owned with s*** on his hands. He tells everyone the ump didn't say anything to him and the ump says he told Kenny to wash his hands. What a f***in joke the way that was handled.

Guess what, do you know what was on his hands? Why don't you shut up about it then? We owned Detroit's ass in Game 1 WITHOUT any controversy. How about that?

I like Detroit, but F that piece of s*** Kenny Rogers.

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:47 pm

Since when was dirt a 'foreign substance' on a baseball field? As yet, nothing has been shown to indicate it was anything other than dirt. If it was something that was helping him pitch better, what can explain the total lack of drop-off in performance after the first inning when there was no smudge on his hand? At least in that ESPN clip, Ravech was fair enough to say 'pine tar or whatever - I guess we shouldn't accuse him of using pine tar - but substance on hand. . . . ' He's right, they shouldn't accuse him of using pine tar because no one has any evidence that that is the case. If the umpires had caught him doing something illegal, they would have ejected him from the game.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:08 pm

sportdan30 wrote:The proof is in the pudding. Confirmed he had this substance on his hand in the division series and league championship series. Then again, maybe he just never showers. He's a joke IMO.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1EoeDA8E874

That's just dirt on the same spot, same hand, every game.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:20 pm

Any Entourage fans out there? I'm guessing he's just taking a cue from Johnny Drama before each game he pitches.

I could see complaining if this was discovered in the 7th or 8th inning and he had done it all game but he still pitched 7 innings without whatever it was and still dominated the Cards.

Slumberland · Post by **Slumberland** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:25 pm

Zeppo wrote:If it was something that was helping him pitch better, what can explain the total lack of drop-off in performance after the first inning when there was no smudge on his hand?

Olbermann says it was probably tincture of benzoine (if I heard him correctly), sometimes used by string musicians for grip. Apparently a violinist told him that was exactly what it looked like. Even after he washed it off, there was clearly a yellow, iodine-ish stain left behind. Apparently benzoine leaves a stain like that behind after you wash it off, and even after you wash, the spot remains sticky for up to a day... enough for him to maintain his grip on a cold night.

I think that side-by-side shot of Rogers in game 3 of the ALCS and the from last night is pretty damning.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:34 pm

MizzouRah wrote:
sportdan30 wrote:The proof is in the pudding. Confirmed he had this substance on his hand in the division series and league championship series. Then again, maybe he just never showers. He's a joke IMO.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1EoeDA8E874
That's just dirt on the same spot, same hand, every game.

Dude was forced to clean his hands in the second inning. How do you explain his dominant performance for the rest of the game? Sun spots? Solar crystals? Lava lamps?

Then again, Rogers does seem like a "win at all costs" prick, so anything is possible. Maybe he will get caught partying with Shawne Merriman.

Take care,
PK

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:34 pm

Slumberland wrote:
Zeppo wrote:If it was something that was helping him pitch better, what can explain the total lack of drop-off in performance after the first inning when there was no smudge on his hand?
Olbermann says it was probably tincture of benzoine (if I heard him correctly), sometimes used by string musicians for grip. Apparently a violinist told him that was exactly what it looked like. Even after he washed it off, there was clearly a yellow, iodine-ish stain left behind. Apparently benzoine leaves a stain like that behind after you wash it off, and even after you wash, the spot remains sticky for up to a day... enough for him to maintain his grip on a cold night.

I think that side-by-side shot of Rogers in game 3 of the ALCS and the from last night is pretty damning.

Yep.. and who cares if he didn't have its FULL effect the entire game, does that make it ok to cheat? I mean maybe Tkachuck should curve his stick past what the rules say and score a goal or two.. after they make him get a new one, as long as the other team didn't score, it should be ok?

Jeez... since when did it become "ok" as long as it's discovered early in a game? The video should be all you need to see to tell he's a f'n liar.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:37 pm

pk500 wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:
sportdan30 wrote:The proof is in the pudding. Confirmed he had this substance on his hand in the division series and league championship series. Then again, maybe he just never showers. He's a joke IMO.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1EoeDA8E874
That's just dirt on the same spot, same hand, every game.
Dude was forced to clean his hands in the second inning. How do you explain his dominant performance for the rest of the game? Sun spots? Solar crystals? Lava lamps?

Then again, Rogers does seem like a "win at all costs" prick, so anything is possible. Maybe he will get caught partying with Shawne Merriman.

Take care,
PK

Did you NOT read this?

[quote'"Slumberland"]Even after he washed it off, there was clearly a yellow, iodine-ish stain left behind. Apparently benzoine leaves a stain like that behind after you wash it off, and even after you wash, the spot remains sticky for up to a day... enough for him to maintain his grip on a cold night.
[/quote]

I mean really... it's so f'n obvious. Who CARES if he only used it on one pitch, it's CHEATING, that's it. CHEATING - 10 game suspension.. .bye bye Rogers. It would have made them go to their bullpen right away.

Oh well, we'll never know the truth. On to Game 3 we go.

Spooky · Post by **Spooky** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:49 pm

Wow guys...I am surprised there is so much disagreement here.

I think it is pretty clear cut. The guy can pitch regardless of what may or may not be on his hand. He has proven that. BUT, it is starting to become fairly obvious that there is, in fact, a foreign substance on the guys hand in every post-season game he has pitched in. Regardless of how awesome he can pitch with or without it, it is illegal and there should be consequences.
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pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:57 pm

MizzouRah wrote:Did you NOT read this?

[quote"Slumberland"]Even after he washed it off, there was clearly a yellow, iodine-ish stain left behind. Apparently benzoine leaves a stain like that behind after you wash it off, and even after you wash, the spot remains sticky for up to a day... enough for him to maintain his grip on a cold night.

MizzouRah wrote:I mean really... it's so f'n obvious. Who CARES if he only used it on one pitch, it's CHEATING, that's it. CHEATING - 10 game suspension.. .bye bye Rogers. It would have made them go to their bullpen right away.

Oh well, we'll never know the truth. On to Game 3 we go.

I saw Slumber's post after I posted. So no, I didn't read it before I posted.

Maybe we can launch a Congressional hearing. If the guy was blatantly cheating, then why didn't LaRussa demand the umps search him?

I guess the proof will be in Game 6, if the Series gets that far. If Rogers is shelled with clean palms, then maybe we'll have our second gunman opposite the School Book Depository.

I shouldn't even post in this thread considering baseball ranks right above croquet on the relevance scale with me.

Sorry, I'll butt out. Back to your regularly scheduled meltdown, Mizzou.

Take care,
PK