Now that ol' watermelon head has hit 715, do you think he will hang around long enough to break Aaron's record even though it's crystal clear that the fans do not want him to? It's also very clear that most people around baseball do not want him to either. It's obvious that he won't do it this year and he has hinted that this was going to be his last season so do you think he will drag himself back next season just to break a record that most people feel like he doesn't deserve?
In my opinion, the guy has an opportunity to show a little class and just retire at the end of the season, record or not. Of course we all know that the guy doesn't have an ounce of class in his body so I'm guessing he will be back next season.
Will Bonds break Aaron's HR record?
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Unless he goes to the AL and becomes a DH, it'll never happen. His knees are so shot, he can barely run anymore.
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Despite all the taunting signs on the road, it looks like fans are interested in seeing him hit HRs.
Earlier this year, Sunday Night Game in Philly, they were taunting him. But when he hit the HR, all the fans stood up in anticipation.
Yeah his numbers have tailed way off. But the Giants lineup is so weak, he still gets pitched around.
His health is shot and this is the last year of his contract I believe. As a Giants fan, I hope they move on rather than tie up $20 million with him again.
He was however talking yesterday like he wants the HR record. He wants a World Series ring more than the HR record but said he'd like to have both. He hit a 445-foot shot yesterday. So if he lands on an AL team with a lineup to protect him, he probably won't retire.
In fact, given his personality, if he thought it would piss people off, he might stay around just for that reason.
Earlier this year, Sunday Night Game in Philly, they were taunting him. But when he hit the HR, all the fans stood up in anticipation.
Yeah his numbers have tailed way off. But the Giants lineup is so weak, he still gets pitched around.
His health is shot and this is the last year of his contract I believe. As a Giants fan, I hope they move on rather than tie up $20 million with him again.
He was however talking yesterday like he wants the HR record. He wants a World Series ring more than the HR record but said he'd like to have both. He hit a 445-foot shot yesterday. So if he lands on an AL team with a lineup to protect him, he probably won't retire.
In fact, given his personality, if he thought it would piss people off, he might stay around just for that reason.
No mas!!! Please, no mas!!! Bonds on Bonds, Espn showing every at-bat live, coverage all over the internet for passing Babe Ruth. It’s all too much and almost disrespectful to Hank Aaron. Like he’s an after-thought in all this. I realize Babe is an icon and helped to restore interest in baseball during a dark time for the sport, but c’mon. He’s number 2, not number 1.
I’m not sure if he’ll be back or not. I can’t see him in San Francisco playing in the outfield. He simply can’t run. As Murph said, he would need to be a DH. Ideally for him, in Oakland just across the bay. But would they want to put up with him. He does still put people in the seats though. And buying an outfield seat for him would be like purchasing a pricey lottery ticket. Catch the right ball and win a million.
Part of me thinks he just wanted to pass the Babe to stick it to whitey. I think he’s just that kind of guy. If he does come back it will be for all the wrong reasons. It’s not like he is Rickey Henderson or Julio Franco who continued playing because they have passion and respect for the game. It will only be to break the record. And he will look like a joke doing so.
I think he will also save himself a lot of headaches if he just hangs it up after this season. Others will be less inclined to pursue any additional investigations on him if he does not break the record.
I’m not sure if he’ll be back or not. I can’t see him in San Francisco playing in the outfield. He simply can’t run. As Murph said, he would need to be a DH. Ideally for him, in Oakland just across the bay. But would they want to put up with him. He does still put people in the seats though. And buying an outfield seat for him would be like purchasing a pricey lottery ticket. Catch the right ball and win a million.
Part of me thinks he just wanted to pass the Babe to stick it to whitey. I think he’s just that kind of guy. If he does come back it will be for all the wrong reasons. It’s not like he is Rickey Henderson or Julio Franco who continued playing because they have passion and respect for the game. It will only be to break the record. And he will look like a joke doing so.
I think he will also save himself a lot of headaches if he just hangs it up after this season. Others will be less inclined to pursue any additional investigations on him if he does not break the record.
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Re: Will Bonds break Aaron's HR record?
Could not agree more. Bonds* should have quit prior to this season when the few who might have missed his steroid induced career for the past few years, found out alot more about his abuses than he will ever admit. If he breaks Aaron's record, I do believe he will be the most hated man in baseball (if not already outside of SF). I know MLB won't remove his name from the record books, but it should have an * by everything he has done since his melon became a beach ball.Badgun wrote:
In my opinion, the guy has an opportunity to show a little class and just retire at the end of the season, record or not. Of course we all know that the guy doesn't have an ounce of class in his body so I'm guessing he will be back next season.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people link Bonds* scrutiny and criticism to the "race card". If Bonds* was not such a "dick", I don't think he would be criticized as harshly as he has, but his involvement with BALCO and his sorry ass attitude are to blame for the criticims and hatred he is generating that is NOT related to race. There is NO question that McGuire and Sosa as well as others took steroids, and if there was the kind of evidence against them that there is Bonds*, then I would have the exact same perception of them. People need to quit bringing up the race card because it is getting old with regard to this particular topic.
There's no way he breaks it in the NL. He's on pace to hit another 14-15 home runs, assuming he plays without injury. That means he would need about 25 next year. I can't imagine he could hit 25 and play in the NL, and even as a DH, that's probably pushing it for him. Ironically, I wonder if the steroids have hastened his physical decline, since they tend to stress the joints.
I do think making Bonds the whipping boy for steroids is unfair. He is getting the heat because he is a jerk, and he certainly deserves much of the criticism he receives. But there are so many other players who should be subjected to the same scrutiny. Unless you're going to go back and slap asterisks on a bunch of other records (or championship teams), then baseball needs to just let it go and concentrate on enforcing the steroid policy from now on.
I do think making Bonds the whipping boy for steroids is unfair. He is getting the heat because he is a jerk, and he certainly deserves much of the criticism he receives. But there are so many other players who should be subjected to the same scrutiny. Unless you're going to go back and slap asterisks on a bunch of other records (or championship teams), then baseball needs to just let it go and concentrate on enforcing the steroid policy from now on.
Brando70 wrote:There's no way he breaks it in the NL. He's on pace to hit another 14-15 home runs, assuming he plays without injury. That means he would need about 25 next year. I can't imagine he could hit 25 and play in the NL, and even as a DH, that's probably pushing it for him. Ironically, I wonder if the steroids have hastened his physical decline, since they tend to stress the joints.
I do think making Bonds the whipping boy for steroids is unfair. He is getting the heat because he is a jerk, and he certainly deserves much of the criticism he receives. But there are so many other players who should be subjected to the same scrutiny. Unless you're going to go back and slap asterisks on a bunch of other records (or championship teams), then baseball needs to just let it go and concentrate on enforcing the steroid policy from now on.
Yes, at least bonds started taking roids late in his career. but look at a guy like mcgwire, he took them all his career. There's not one stat in McGwire's career that isn't tainted by steroids.
Bonds did say he wanted to break ruth's record more than aaron because ruth was white, you can google it to get the exact quote. he's a total ahole so you know he'll be around to try to break aarons record. guy is a total social misfit so without baseball, he doesn't know how to operate. He is also a smart business man so he knows if he breaks the record, he could milk that for the rest of his life. He wears a new jersey daily and when he's done with it, he puts it away for memrobelia*sp?) sales.
All I really cared about was the streoid allegations coming to light. I felt the same about McGwire, Sosa, etc.
Now that they have, that's all that can be done.
Retiring and showing a bit of class is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the conversation in my book. Either he will break it or he won't. If he continues at his current pace probably not. If he picks it up and returns slightly to form he probably has a good chance. Only time will tell.
I've noticed I was very anti-McGwire and Anti-Bonds relative to most people when everybody was cheering their homers. Now that the truth has been told, I'm far less negative on both in relation to most people. They cheated and they got caught which people will always know which is the most that can be done imo since baseball was complicit in the whole affair by looking the other way. They aren't the first cheaters in their sport. Just the most successful.
Now that they have, that's all that can be done.
Retiring and showing a bit of class is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the conversation in my book. Either he will break it or he won't. If he continues at his current pace probably not. If he picks it up and returns slightly to form he probably has a good chance. Only time will tell.
I've noticed I was very anti-McGwire and Anti-Bonds relative to most people when everybody was cheering their homers. Now that the truth has been told, I'm far less negative on both in relation to most people. They cheated and they got caught which people will always know which is the most that can be done imo since baseball was complicit in the whole affair by looking the other way. They aren't the first cheaters in their sport. Just the most successful.
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Um, can you provide some proof for your allegations about McGwire? Seems to me he came into the AL with Oakland and was nowhere near as large as he was in later years. I also don't think your comment about "all"of McGwire's stats being tainted. At the end of the day, there are not too many hitting stats that are not somewhat tainted for the past 15 or so years though. That being said, there is no way that MLB goes back and puts asterisks by any record or any person unfortunately....Inuyasha wrote:
Yes, at least bonds started taking roids late in his career. but look at a guy like mcgwire, he took them all his career. There's not one stat in McGwire's career that isn't tainted by steroids.
DivotMaker wrote:Um, can you provide some proof for your allegations about McGwire? Seems to me he came into the AL with Oakland and was nowhere near as large as he was in later years. I also don't think your comment about "all"of McGwire's stats being tainted. At the end of the day, there are not too many hitting stats that are not somewhat tainted for the past 15 or so years though. That being said, there is no way that MLB goes back and puts asterisks by any record or any person unfortunately....Inuyasha wrote:
Yes, at least bonds started taking roids late in his career. but look at a guy like mcgwire, he took them all his career. There's not one stat in McGwire's career that isn't tainted by steroids.
Only proof would be what Canseco said about McGwire. He said theywere both shooting up since they were rookies with the A's. I think he'd be a good source since he hung out with McGwire most of the time in Oakland. And although many people dont like Canseco, I think it's a general concensus that the people he ratted out in his book for doing roids has been pretty close to the truth.
McGwire is lucky that Bonds has been such a jerk his whole career that all the people he's disrespected in the media are now coming back for payback against him. It really should be McGwire that is the poster child of the steroids era.
At least you can argue that non roid Barry before 1998 was still a much better player than roided up McGwire.
I actually started reading the book, Juicing the Game. It talks about the "Bash Brothers" era in Oakland and how open Canseco was about taking steroids and that LaRussa was one of those in the know about it yet covered up for him. The team was concerned about McGwire getting caught up in it. So it is conjecture to say Big Mac used them his entire career but he was around open steroid use as a rookie, so who really knows.DivotMaker wrote:Um, can you provide some proof for your allegations about McGwire? Seems to me he came into the AL with Oakland and was nowhere near as large as he was in later years. I also don't think your comment about "all"of McGwire's stats being tainted. At the end of the day, there are not too many hitting stats that are not somewhat tainted for the past 15 or so years though. That being said, there is no way that MLB goes back and puts asterisks by any record or any person unfortunately....
For me, Bonds isn't the steroids whipping boy. I just think he's an *ss with a horrible personality, so I don't care to have programming interrupted by an intentional walk or have SportsCenter lead with Bonds popping out three times.
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I think Bonds will come back as an AL DH and will break Aaron's record. Everything he's been saying would indicate that is his intention right now.
To those that claim Bonds is the most hated man in baseball and therefor he should quit the pursuit of the record, or nobody wants him to break the record therefor he should give it up, obviously don't remember Aaron's pursuit of Ruth. The general consesus was that "whitey" didn't want Aaron to break Ruth's record either. Aaron received death threats from people trying to get him to back off and give it up. There were many that thought he should quit too.
Men like Aaron and Bonds don't quit because someone else tells them too. If anything, they are more bound and determined to break the record because of all the naysayers.
To those that claim Bonds is the most hated man in baseball and therefor he should quit the pursuit of the record, or nobody wants him to break the record therefor he should give it up, obviously don't remember Aaron's pursuit of Ruth. The general consesus was that "whitey" didn't want Aaron to break Ruth's record either. Aaron received death threats from people trying to get him to back off and give it up. There were many that thought he should quit too.
Men like Aaron and Bonds don't quit because someone else tells them too. If anything, they are more bound and determined to break the record because of all the naysayers.
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I'm surprised Bonds has played as much as he has in 2006. He's appeared in 42 of the Giants' 50 games so far.
Aaron took almost three years get from 715 to 755, two of those as a DH in Milwaukee. His HR numbers over those three years were 20, 12 & 10. Bonds is a shadow of his former greatness but he can still rake if he can walk to the plate. If he really wants the record, I think he can hang around long enough in the AL to achieve it.
It won't be a case like Pete Rose's chase after Cobb's hit mark, where the pursuit was clearly hurting the Reds' chances of winning. Bonds would be an above average DH at this stage of his career. He's no Ortiz or Hafner, but considering the Yankee's DH today is Terence Long (!), I think Bonds can hold a job.
Aaron took almost three years get from 715 to 755, two of those as a DH in Milwaukee. His HR numbers over those three years were 20, 12 & 10. Bonds is a shadow of his former greatness but he can still rake if he can walk to the plate. If he really wants the record, I think he can hang around long enough in the AL to achieve it.
It won't be a case like Pete Rose's chase after Cobb's hit mark, where the pursuit was clearly hurting the Reds' chances of winning. Bonds would be an above average DH at this stage of his career. He's no Ortiz or Hafner, but considering the Yankee's DH today is Terence Long (!), I think Bonds can hold a job.
Yeah, but isn't his power going to start decreasing now that he is supposedly off the juice? I guess if he is really off the juice, then maybe he can wear a hat under size 8 next year.sfz_T-car wrote:I'm surprised Bonds has played as much as he has in 2006. He's appeared in 42 of the Giants' 50 games so far.
Aaron took almost three years get from 715 to 755, two of those as a DH in Milwaukee. His HR numbers over those three years were 20, 12 & 10. Bonds is a shadow of his former greatness but he can still rake if he can walk to the plate. If he really wants the record, I think he can hang around long enough in the AL to achieve it.
This clown will play til he gets the record. He is all about vanity. Thats why he started taking roids in the first place. He saw the blowjobs ESPN and MLB were giving McGwire and Sosa and he wanted in on the action.
The media kssed steroid freak ass for years. They were, and continue to be part of the problem. They need to take their heads ouf their asses.
The media kssed steroid freak ass for years. They were, and continue to be part of the problem. They need to take their heads ouf their asses.
The real problem, though was the MLB. The commissioner, owners, Player's Association all looked the other way when all this cheating was going on because the HR derbies were easing the bitterness over the 1994 season. Now, in typical fashion, the mess is being blamed on individuals rather than the organizations that encouraged them. What the players did was wrong and unethical, but when you work in a system where so many people cheat and go unpunished, I can understand the temptation.XXXIV wrote:This clown will play til he gets the record. He is all about vanity. Thats why he started taking roids in the first place. He saw the blowjobs ESPN and MLB were giving McGwire and Sosa and he wanted in on the action.
The media kssed steroid freak ass for years. They were, and continue to be part of the problem. They need to take their heads ouf their asses.
They should just let everyone roid up like that old SNL sketch, the Steroid Olympics (the one where Kevin Nealon rips his arms off while dead lifting)
I was at PacBell/AT&T/Whatchamacallit field on Saturday to see him hit 715. I think me and Byung Hyung Kim were the only two people disappointed that he he hit it, and I'm not sure about ol'Kim. It was quite bizarre to be among 40,000 people all of whom struck me as utterly delusional. But as a Cub fan, I am used to that.
Anyway, I agree with Brando. I don't think there's any way he breaks it without DH'ing in the very near future. Just watching him move around, even just trotting on and off the field, is painful. He practically needs a guide just to make it down the dugout steps.
Anyway, I agree with Brando. I don't think there's any way he breaks it without DH'ing in the very near future. Just watching him move around, even just trotting on and off the field, is painful. He practically needs a guide just to make it down the dugout steps.
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If he can walk, he will play until he gets that record. Maybe they can stop him with one of these investigations that he is under.
This whole thing disgusts me. White, black, purple, I don't care. If you cheat, you need to pay the consequences. Investigate these guys, and take down the guilty ones. Stick asteriks next to all their numbers and ban them from the game. No Hall of Fame for any of these guys. Let their numbers rot.
This whole thing disgusts me. White, black, purple, I don't care. If you cheat, you need to pay the consequences. Investigate these guys, and take down the guilty ones. Stick asteriks next to all their numbers and ban them from the game. No Hall of Fame for any of these guys. Let their numbers rot.
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While I cannot stand what Bonds*, McGwire*, Sosa* MLB, etc., have done to baseball by ignoring the steroid issue for so long, I think it is incredibly harsh to say that Bonds* is a disgrace to the human race. He is a Grade A dick, but to say he is a disgrace to the human race, I gotta disagree with you.....matthewk wrote:Actually he's a disgrace to to the human race in general.
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I know no sportswriter will vote Palmeiro into the Hall for sure. That also probably goes for McGwire too. Bonds didn't have many friends in the sportswriting community before '98, and now he has fewer. So no to him too.grtwhtsk wrote:If he can walk, he will play until he gets that record. Maybe they can stop him with one of these investigations that he is under.
This whole thing disgusts me. White, black, purple, I don't care. If you cheat, you need to pay the consequences. Investigate these guys, and take down the guilty ones. Stick asteriks next to all their numbers and ban them from the game. No Hall of Fame for any of these guys. Let their numbers rot.
But this could change 15 years or so after Bonds' retirement, because the veteran's committee may vote him in.
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matthewk wrote:I think he already got the record that was most important to him when he passed Ruth.
If he does come back I hope he gets beaned every time up, not just walked. He is a disgrace to the sport. Actually he's a disgrace to to the human race in general.
How is he any different from alot of the baseball players playing now or in the past?
I dislike Bonds as much as the next guy, but if he's not a first ballot Hall-of-Famer then I've never seen one. It would be ridiculous not to vote him in. I don't recall a lot of sportswriters writing about and questioning his enlarged melon and training habits while he was breaking McGwire's already-tainted record.
I hope Bonds comes back next year and breaks the record just to piss everyone off
I hope Bonds comes back next year and breaks the record just to piss everyone off