OT: Rollins hitting streak can be carried over to 2006?

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:52 pm

I personally don't get it. It doesn't make sense that a player's hitting streak automatically carries over to the following season. It doesn't surprise me that ESPN and MLB are attempting to make this a big deal though. Are they not taking in to account the fatigue DiMaggio went through while Rollins has had months to rest?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/preview06 ... id=2370334

Zlax45 · Post by **Zlax45** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:55 pm

Give me a break...it is only a hitting streak...It has been a ton of fatugue last year on Rollins also.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:57 pm

Zlax45 wrote:Give me a break...it is only a hitting streak...It has been a ton of fatugue last year on Rollins also.

I'm not buying that. I'm curious what the record books define as a hitting streak. I don't believe it says anything about a single season, but then it should go without saying.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:58 pm

Rollins was interviewed by Jim Rome a while back and Rollins himself said that it's not as big of a deal as the 56 in a row that Joe D. had. He said it's different...sure fatigue comes into effect when you are doing 56 in the same season, but on the other side, it's hard to get fired up and continue it after 3 months off. So I see both sides...I personally think it's harder to do it the way Jimmy is doing it, but I can see why it wouldn't be considered breaking the record. But one thing is certain...he'll lose it in the first week and it will be moot...just to f up every sportswriter who thought it was a good idea to build it up.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:00 pm

sportdan30 wrote:I personally don't get it. It doesn't make sense that a player's hitting streak automatically carries over to the following season. It doesn't surprise me that ESPN and MLB are attempting to make this a big deal though. Are they not taking in to account the fatigue DiMaggio went through while Rollins has had months to rest?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/preview06 ... id=2370334

I didn't read the article, but I believe it will be two separate records (hitting streak over one season and hitting streak over multiple season(s)) if Rollins breaks the record.

I'm sure any gains in stamina Rollins achieves will be more than compensated by the fact that he had to quit while he was on a roll.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:29 pm

Regardless of whether it's a record or not, you know Major League Baseball will pimp the hell out of this because it's looking for anything to turn the media's attention away from Bonds and steroids.

ESPN also will be a complicit partner in that promotion because it wants a good, wholesome story to attract ratings for its MLB broadcasts.

Take care,
PK

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:35 pm

Rollins having a hitting streak of 36 games is a fluke of near biblical proportions. I'm sure it will end before it becomes an issue.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:36 pm

Kazuya wrote:Rollins having a hitting streak of 36 games is a fluke of near biblical proportions. I'm sure it will end before it becomes an issue.

Exactly...a career .270+ hitter getting hits in 36 straight games is just asking for it to end in the first week...as I said.

eman · Post by **eman** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:04 pm

Opening day he goes 0-4.

I like Jimmy but hes not that good a hitter. Great glove though.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:07 pm

pk500 wrote:Regardless of whether it's a record or not, you know Major League Baseball will pimp the hell out of this because it's looking for anything to turn the media's attention away from Bonds and steroids.

ESPN also will be a complicit partner in that promotion because it wants a good, wholesome story to attract ratings for its MLB broadcasts.

Hey PK, they have to cover something if they are going to ignore the NHL this Spring!

Agree with Kaz & DB, this story will fade away by the end of next week.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:17 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
Kazuya wrote:Rollins having a hitting streak of 36 games is a fluke of near biblical proportions. I'm sure it will end before it becomes an issue.
Exactly...a career .270+ hitter getting hits in 36 straight games is just asking for it to end in the first week...as I said.

Haters. 36 games = no fluke.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:22 am

Diablo25 wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote:
Kazuya wrote:Rollins having a hitting streak of 36 games is a fluke of near biblical proportions. I'm sure it will end before it becomes an issue.
Exactly...a career .270+ hitter getting hits in 36 straight games is just asking for it to end in the first week...as I said.
Haters. 36 games = no fluke.

It's pretty obviously a fluke, but in all fairness to Rollins pretty much any hitting streak of any notable length is a fluke. Rollins was horrible for most of the season, but insanely hot in the last month of the season. Unlike the other hitters on the list of people who have made 36 in a row, Rollins gets himself out way too much by swinging at bad pitches and striking out too much (for a leadoff hitter anyway). However maybe his free-swinging has benefitted him a bit because at least he's not up there walking twice a game when he could be trying to get hits.

Trying to evaluate what makes a good hitter for a hitting streak is tricky, because if you went 1 for 4 in every game you'd have 162 game hitting-streak and you'd be a .250 hitter. So all we have is history, and the article that Leebo posted supports that Rollins is the worst 36 game hitting streak hitter who ever lived... which is not all bad.

blueduke · Post by **blueduke** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:29 am

This is baseball's version of golf's "Tiger Slam"

Badger_Fan · Post by **Badger_Fan** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:35 pm

I think it's hard to say that a streak of this length is a fluke, regardless of who did it. It's not 10 or 15 games here. We're talking about getting a hit in nearly two months worth of games. That's pretty impressive.

That said, he has next to no chance of getting close to DiMaggio. Aside from the fact that he's a .270 career hitter or a free swinger he's also a notoriously slow starter with a career April average in the low .200s.

Good player, nice story, but no realistic shot at getting the record.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:18 pm

First off, I agree that Rollins won't sniff DiMaggio. Nuff said. My problem with people criticizing Rollins, or any player for that matter, is when they start throwing out stats like "he's only a career .270 hitter!" That is just not a proper way to judge a hitter. Hitters grow and adjust. Some take longer than others. Rollins is just not the same hitter he was 2 years ago. To reference his 2001 stats to me is improper. Over the last 2 seasons he is a .290 hitter. Yes .290. That is a legit big league hitter...plain and simple. In his near 3400 ABs in the big leagues I guarentee you I have seen damn near 3000 of them. He has evolved as a hitter. He grew more last year than any year in his career. Why? He is maturing and is understanding his craft. 36 game hit streak = no fluke.

Anyone want a gold glove SS (should have won it in 2004...Izturis NEVER should have gotten it) that will hit .290, with 15 HRs and 35 bags?

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:19 pm

I agree that it will end before the first week does.

I also think that 36 games is 36 games and the guy should get all the credit in the world.

I have no problem with it counting into the next season. It doesnt say consecutive games with a hit in one season.

I also wouldnt mind if he kept it going. He would have the alltime consecutive game hit safely by a fluke all time record or does he already own that one?

BasketballJones · Post by **BasketballJones** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:35 pm

This has come up several times in the past. This is the only official rule on hitting streaks according to Baseball Almanac

30+ Game Hitting Streaks
Rule 10.24 of the Major League Baseball Official Rule Book states the following guidelines for cumulative performance records (specifically those dealing with hitting streaks):

A consecutive hitting streak shall not be terminated if the plate appearance results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. A sacrifice fly shall terminate the streak.

Consecutive Game Hitting Streaks: A consecutive game hitting streak shall not be terminated if all the player's plate appearances (one or more) result in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly and no hit. The player's individual consecutive game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which the player appears and is not determined by his club's games.

Before you can consider Dimaggios record he must first pass Rose & Keeler for the NL record. The question is will his next hit move him past Tommy Holmes and the answer is yes because a player can't be penalized for when a streak begins.

I give Rollins credit for his modesty and recognition of in season achievements. Not to take anything away from Rose but there were three times during his 44 game streak he bunted for a base hit and I believe two of those times he did it with 2 outs. In those games it was his only hit. But he probably bet on those games (bad joke).

It's nice to discuss a baseball achievement and not have to focus on Bonds and steroids.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:10 pm

BasketballJones wrote: It's nice to discuss a baseball achievement and not have to focus on Bonds and steroids.

Here, here!!

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:19 pm

Over. Nice streak of 38 games though.

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:32 pm

Rollins has developed into a very solid ballplayer. The story was a nice diversion during spring training.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:40 pm

Don't get me wrong, streaks are fun and amazing to watch. But they're all flukes to a large extent.

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