OT: LOST Season 3 Discussion **** SPOILERS ****

[Sudz]

- there are enough characters to keep it going. they should just call up julianna marguilles, anthony edwards, that other guy and noagh wylie and ask about leaving a good show to do "other projects".

When you say 'that other guy,' do you mean that George Clooney guy?

eric lasalle.

where has HE BEEN?

for every clooney..there are 100s of others who just fade away to dinner theatre in palm springs

[wco81]

Hmm, another connection between the lostawys, hidden to them. The woman whom Sawyer swindled and Kate met.

Forget about 6 degrees of separation, many of these people are practically brothers and sisters.

So are these coincidences going to be explained or are they going to turn out to be gimmicks to make the flashbacks more appealing?

Maybe since The Others knew about all these people's backgrounds (they leave behind the "bad" people), they made sure they all ended up on the fateful flight, as well as making sure they ended up in Australia. That would be the "scientific" explanation.

Of course, Benry claims a surgeon fell out of the sky just when he needed surgery, like it was some happy coincidence. Meanwhile, they happened to be at this fake village where they had book clubs but now they've abandoned the fake village for their real home, where they only take righteous people like Locke.

Wonder what these Oceanic 815 survirors are going to think when they discover these connections, like Jack and Sawyer learning that Sawyer had met Jack's father in Australia.

If they ever find out that is.

Or they will find out but not tell each other.

When they're right on the verge of confrontation with The Others, who might have the key to some of these mysteries -- they seem to have a dossier on each of the passengers -- they conveniently disappear. Instead we're going to get some back stories on The Others or at least Juliette's story.

It's almost as if the writers have more faith in the entertainment appeal of the back stories than the current story.

BTW, maybe the fake village still has electricity? Juliette was able to turn on the fence. If that's the case, maybe they should move in.

[Macca00]

lol, 'Benry'

[Feanor]

Yeah, I was thinking that they should move into those houses that the Others just abandoned. Even if there's no power, it would be a proper roof to sleep under.

[Zeppo]

I really enjoyed the latest episode. Lots of messing with the minds in that one. Locke's 'goodbye' to Kate had a really nice creepy vibe to it, and there was a nice sense of being overwhelmed, along with Kate, with 'wtf is going on!' feelings. The mushy stuff was a little too close to soap opera land, but I guess a mud fight forgives many transgressions! I really enjoed the way Sayeed turned the 'paranoia' generator back on in full force right at the end. He don't trust her, no he don't. And good for him.

The defense perimeter makes a little bit more sense now, but the smoke monster remains a total mystery. The camera flashing bit is just very confusing, as are the noises (although it is a great example of what you can do cheaply with good sound design rather than lots of fx shots or props work), but it's clear the creators/writers are not afraid of letting us see this thing in a big, broad wide shot. I mean, seeing it's nothing-ness. It's nothing, but they aren't afraid to show us that it's nothing, so I guess it must be something that is 'more than meets the eye.' Like the smoke is some sort of disguise, some kind of David Copperield visual trick to hide a little wizard of Oz guy with glasses and a comb-over in a machine of some kind. Whatever. There's just no way they can explain that thing so that it makes sense at all.

But, overall this episode was a lot of fun, well, except for the flashbacks which didn't do much for me. The flashback confrontation in the bathroom was really amazing stuff, though, I thought. Really rough for poor little Kate, but most of the rest of it seemed a lot like filler to me. I'm convinced these flashback coincidences are nothing more than random, made up to add a sense of 'cool' or of depth to the flashbacks. They just can't possibly hope to explain all the twisty threads they've ended up criss-crossing.

I did enjoy the toying that Hurley did on Sawyer's mind. Pretty cheesy in the end, but a nice little lesson learned by big bad Sawyer, and just in time for Jack to get back, too. As we've all known from the beginning, Hurley's really the one in charge, he just pulls the strings from behind the scenes.

I think they'd be stupid not to move in to the abandoned suburb set, even if there were no electricity, even if just for shelter, not to mention a pool table! But I will be very surprised if they even deign to mention the idea.

[RobVarak]

Zeppo wrote:

I guess a mud fight forgives many transgressions

Truer words have never been spoken.

I liked the episode. And I like the recurring use of "Walking After Midnight" in Kate's flashbacks. Can't have too much Patsy Cline.

[greggsand]

I work for ABC.

Can you explain how a show like Alias lasted 5 or 6 season barely drawing 6 million viewers and Lost is going to get canceled after 3 seasons drawing over 13 million a week? Or the fact that is continues to draw in the important advertising demographic each week?

"Canceled" and the show "busting up" are two different things. Don;t forget, Alias was a 'very cheap' show to make compared Lost (Burbank Lot vs Hawaii).

Hey, you may be right. I never said it's getting canned, just likely it may end sooner than u think. You're assuming Network Execs make smart choices. They're more concerned with ratings trends, than the actual numbers, but whatever, I'm not gonna get in an argument. I go to this forum to get away from work (aka goofin' off...).

[Danimal]

You're assuming Network Execs make smart choices. They're more concerned with ratings trends, than the actual numbers, but whatever, I'm not gonna get in an argument. I go to this forum to get away from work (aka goofin' off...).

First I'm not arguing anything, just stating some opinions. Second I'm not assuming anything, I actually think ABC is the worst run networks on the air. They continually make bad decessions,

I'm just tired of hearing the declining ratings argument thrown around. The ratings have not declined in the key deomgraphic market for advertisers, someone who works for ABC (not you, just generalizing here) should be aware of that and aware of the fact that this is far more important then anything else.

Now has Lost gone from 18 million to 13 million, you bet your ass. Lets examine why, Lost was a word of mouth hit. Lots of people caught on late or got the season 1 DVD. These people were compelled to watch the show because it was the "it" show.

Now thrown in a very hetic on air schedule in season 1, with weeks of re-runs followed by maybe a pair of new episodes. Then the decession to do the 6 episode arc followed by a very long layoff in season 2 and you start losing people.

Add the fact that many of the people who felt like they needed to watch Lost probably wouldn't have if not for the word of mouth. Its very clear that this kind of show isn't for many.

Lets not leave out the fact that ABC in their wisdom choose to break up the shoot schedule to save money and you have a lot of episodes where we don't see the whole cast together and they feel disconnected, which a lot of people hated.

After all that and of course that little show called American Idol and no lead in to speak of. You're still drawing 13 milliuon plus a show. Think a show like Friday Night Lights or Veronica Mars wouldn't kill for those ratings?

It seems you're saying the show may end earlier then expected due to the rising cost of the cast. I have no problem believing that, because I'm sure ABC wouldn't know something good if it bit them in the ass and certainly wouldn't pay these people.

My point is the ratings aren't anywhere near bad enough to cancel this show, regardless of the cost to produce. But as you said Network execs don't always use logic in their choices and especially at the alphabet network.

Again please don't take this so personal. I am just talking about something i have interest in (not Lost but TV in general)

[greggsand]

You're assuming Network Execs make smart choices. They're more concerned with ratings trends, than the actual numbers, but whatever, I'm not gonna get in an argument. I go to this forum to get away from work (aka goofin' off...).

First I'm not arguing anything, just stating some opinions. Second I'm not assuming anything, I actually think ABC is the worst run networks on the air. They continually make bad decessions,

I'm just tired of hearing the declining ratings argument thrown around. The ratings have not declined in the key deomgraphic market for advertisers, someone who works for ABC (not you, just generalizing here) should be aware of that and aware of the fact that this is far more important then anything else.

Now has Lost gone from 18 million to 13 million, you bet your ass. Lets examine why, Lost was a word of mouth hit. Lots of people caught on late or got the season 1 DVD. These people were compelled to watch the show because it was the "it" show.

Now thrown in a very hetic on air schedule in season 1, with weeks of re-runs followed by maybe a pair of new episodes. Then the decession to do the 6 episode arc followed by a very long layoff in season 2 and you start losing people.

Add the fact that many of the people who felt like they needed to watch Lost probably wouldn't have if not for the word of mouth. Its very clear that this kind of show isn't for many.

Lets not leave out the fact that ABC in their wisdom choose to break up the shoot schedule to save money and you have a lot of episodes where we don't see the whole cast together and they feel disconnected, which a lot of people hated.

After all that and of course that little show called American Idol and no lead in to speak of. You're still drawing 13 milliuon plus a show. Think a show like Friday Night Lights or Veronica Mars wouldn't kill for those ratings?

It seems you're saying the show may end earlier then expected due to the rising cost of the cast. I have no problem believing that, because I'm sure ABC wouldn't know something good if it bit them in the ass and certainly wouldn't pay these people.

My point is the ratings aren't anywhere near bad enough to cancel this show, regardless of the cost to produce. But as you said Network execs don't always use logic in their choices and especially at the alphabet network.

Again please don't take this so personal. I am just talking about something i have interest in (not Lost but TV in general)

All good points - no biggie.

Gregg

[RallyMonkey]

Dammit Juliette.............why, WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Slumberland]

Another solid episode. Some of the upcoming flashbacks (via a list posted @ AICN) have me very excited. The Degroots, anyone?

[wco81]

That was good, fills in a lot of blanks.

It seems like Ben wanted to have some isolated community on the island but was foiled because the women couldn't give birth. So they bring Juliette to the island, drugged and in a sub to hide their location.

Well sweeps coming up in a couple of weeks so someone may be dying.

[Sudz]

jack is playing juliette.

he knows she is his ONLY way off.

and it was the juliette's tits episode last night.

[wco81]

Read somewhere that the show had to abandon the site where the Others' village was shot.

The location is actually owned by the Honolulu YMCA and they need it back for summer.

So that is why they wrote it into the plot to have them abandon it and the same reason the survivors aren't going there.

This kind of thing might give some credence to the belief that they're making it up as they go.

[greggsand]

Read somewhere that the show had to abandon the site where the Others' village was shot.

The location is actually owned by the Honolulu YMCA and they need it back for summer.

So that is why they wrote it into the plot to have them abandon it and the same reason the survivors aren't going there.

This kind of thing might give some credence to the belief that they're making it up as they go.

Ha, bingo!

[Slumberland]

I can almost convince myself that they wouldn't want to go inhabit the Others' camp. No one knows if they'll be back, and what the Others wold do to the Losties if they found them there, not to mention they could get trapped inside that sonic fence if the Others so choose. They know the monster basically leaves them alone on the beach, and so on and so forth...

[Zeppo]

Hey what ever happened to the cave?

[Spooky]

So Juliette is really doing all this just to get back home? If she is still working with Ben, then she must have been told there is another way off this island right? I think her flashbacks are genuine and the latest ones were she was longing and begging for home were the same time of the plane crash so she could not be willingly infiltrating the groups at the beach. No way she would change her intent in 3 months.

WTF is up with Locke!?!?!

[vader29]

I somehow had a feeling eyepatch guy wasn't dead, I would have sided with Charlie and not let him go after he saved the girl with the punctured lung, that move will somehow come back and bite them in the ass.

[RobVarak]

So Juliette is really doing all this just to get back home? If she is still working with Ben, then she must have been told there is another way off this island right? I think her flashbacks are genuine and the latest ones were she was longing and begging for home were the same time of the plane crash so she could not be willingly infiltrating the groups at the beach. No way she would change her intent in 3 months.

All good reasons that call into question her truthfulness about Sun's baby. She very well may have seen that the baby was indeed conceived off-island, but seen it in her interest to convince Sun and Ben that it wasn't.

[Slumberland]

And the roll continues... good stuff last night. I figured this particular 3-way confrontation was coming ever since they revealed Locke's daddy to be a con man, but the predictability was easily overshadowed by the performances of Holloway and the white-haired Cooper dude... when he ripped up that note, and Sawyer went all Princess Leia on him, that was some visceral, cathartic TV!

Next week is Ben's flashback, can't WAIT for that one.

[vader29]

Great episode. I was starting to get the feeling that maybe they are dead, especially the way Locke's dad was acting. And WTF Kate? She goes running right away to Jack after she was told he was not to be trusted with the info about Naomi.

[Feanor]

when he ripped up that note, and Sawyer went all Princess Leia on him, that was some visceral, cathartic TV!

LOL, I never would have thought of that.

[greggsand]

Great episode. I was starting to get the feeling that maybe they are dead, especially the way Locke's dad was acting. And WTF Kate? She goes running right away to Jack after she was told he was not to be trusted with the info about Naomi.

the rumor since ep#3 is that they're dead already - looking to be a good bet.

[Diablo25]

Great episode. I was starting to get the feeling that maybe they are dead, especially the way Locke's dad was acting. And WTF Kate? She goes running right away to Jack after she was told he was not to be trusted with the info about Naomi.

the rumor since ep#3 is that they're dead already - looking to be a good bet.

I swear the producers already confirmed that they were NOT dead.