wco81 wrote:Race drivers wouldn't take speed or other amphetamines to help with the long grueling races would they?
If you ever get a chance to watch a Formula 1 race weekend you'll see all the drivers sipping on Red Bull or any other energy drink they can find before practice, qualifying and before the race.
Not true.
They're sipping water or electrolyte drinks from a Red Bull or Monster bottle, since those two companies either sponsor the team or are paying the driver a healthy personal endorsement fee.
But the liquid climbing through those straws is not an energy drink. It's water or an electrolyte replacement drink, much like cyclists, runners or other endurance athletes drink before, during and after competition.
Take care,
PK
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F308GTB wrote:Cycling is one sport that polices itself very well. Get caught doping you are out of racing with no paycheck for 2 years. Even if you evade drug testers to avoid submitting a sample you are in for a year or two suspension. Plus there in-competition and out-of-competition testing year round. Is there still doping in the sport? Yes, but it's a lot better situation than in most sports. Plus there's a long list of banned substances down to cold and asthma medications. The major US sports leagues policies are complete jokes.
True, but that was a smart act of self-preservation by cycling. Doping was so rampant in the peleton that the sport faced commercial ruin, with sponsors dropping doping teams left and right.
So to the UCF's credit, a kick-ass drug testing policy was created. But it sure as hell wasn't a preventative measure. It was an ass-saving endeavor. A good program, though.
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PK
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MizzouRah wrote:The drugs, over paid players, prices, the detachment from the city that most players have... it's just not what it used to be when I was a kid.
You just described every major professional sport.
MizzouRah wrote:The drugs, over paid players, prices, the detachment from the city that most players have... it's just not what it used to be when I was a kid.
You just described every major professional sport.
Ya but look at the bright side...Now we have ESPN and great fat fucks like chris berman.
I just don't get too worked up about guys juicing in the 90's. If u failed a drug test, baseball could care less, now-banned items like Andro were both legal to own & use, doctors could get u anything u wanted. They'll pay the price when Hall Of Fame time rolls around.
Now, guys who are caught today are both idiots and deserving of a good old ass kicking. But players in the 90's? I'm not sure what I would have done if I was in their shoes. Take a shot, play better, make more $$$ with little repercussions. A tough one...
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MizzouRah wrote:The drugs, over paid players, prices, the detachment from the city that most players have... it's just not what it used to be when I was a kid.
You just described every major professional sport.
Ya but look at the bright side...Now we have ESPN and great fat fucks like chris berman.
Haven't you seen Berman bragging in his NutriSystem commercial about losing 41 pounds?
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matthewk wrote:
You just described every major professional sport.
I don't believe hockey is like that at all.. and I spend the majority of my sports interest in college sports anyway.
Yes, where players get paid under the table and have the academic rules bent and not broken in their favor.
The thing is, there is cheating in every sport. I'm disappointed about how widespread steroid use was in baseball and that it affected the HR records. But I don't watch sports for the records, I watch sports for entertainment. I think all the leagues should do their best to present clean games. However, in any excessively competitive environment, you're going to have some players looking to get an advantage any way they can. I'm not going to abandon sports I like because of that.
At this point, the MLB needs to adopt the NFL's stance and at least look tough on steroids. I am sure there is still plenty of that stuff in football, but Goodell at least makes an effort to keep the league clean and punish players for actions that are bad for the sport.
Brando70 wrote:Goodell at least makes an effort to keep the league clean and punish players for actions that are bad for the sport.
Goodell to his credit has done one helluva job enforcing the rules. I don't recall the sheer amount of players getting suspended under Tags. No doubt players will think twice before getting caught. Not to say there aren't cheaters in the NFL. There's just more scrutiny, risk, punishment and enforcement in the NFL as opposed to baseball.
Brando70 wrote:Goodell at least makes an effort to keep the league clean and punish players for actions that are bad for the sport.
Goodell to his credit has done one helluva job enforcing the rules. I don't recall the sheer amount of players getting suspended under Tags. No doubt players will think twice before getting caught. Not to say there aren't cheaters in the NFL. There's just more scrutiny, risk, punishment and enforcement in the NFL as opposed to baseball.
Football has the most doping out of any of the sports. The players are all taken HGH and noone calls out the NFL for not doing Blood testing for HGH. Remember there is no URINE test for HGH but there really is a BLOOD test and noone wants to take blood. Why not?
Brando70 wrote:Goodell at least makes an effort to keep the league clean and punish players for actions that are bad for the sport.
Goodell to his credit has done one helluva job enforcing the rules. I don't recall the sheer amount of players getting suspended under Tags. No doubt players will think twice before getting caught. Not to say there aren't cheaters in the NFL. There's just more scrutiny, risk, punishment and enforcement in the NFL as opposed to baseball.
Football has the most doping out of any of the sports. The players are all taken HGH and noone calls out the NFL for not doing Blood testing for HGH. Remember there is no URINE test for HGH but there really is a BLOOD test and noone wants to take blood. Why not?
I really doubt that any of the the Patriots would use HGH.
Brando70 wrote:Goodell at least makes an effort to keep the league clean and punish players for actions that are bad for the sport.
Goodell to his credit has done one helluva job enforcing the rules. I don't recall the sheer amount of players getting suspended under Tags. No doubt players will think twice before getting caught. Not to say there aren't cheaters in the NFL. There's just more scrutiny, risk, punishment and enforcement in the NFL as opposed to baseball.
Football has the most doping out of any of the sports. The players are all taken HGH and noone calls out the NFL for not doing Blood testing for HGH. Remember there is no URINE test for HGH but there really is a BLOOD test and noone wants to take blood. Why not?
I'm not disputing that they are taking HGH, but how exactly can you say they have the most without any statistical evidence?
The other problem is that detection for HGH requires a blood test, and unlike the Olympics, the NFL has to get the player's union to agree to such a test. I would like the league to test for that, but if you tried to force any workers to take a mandatory blood test, in any industry, you'd have a huge legal fight on your hands.
greggsand wrote:I just don't get too worked up about guys juicing in the 90's. If u failed a drug test, baseball could care less, now-banned items like Andro were both legal to own & use, doctors could get u anything u wanted. They'll pay the price when Hall Of Fame time rolls around.
Now, guys who are caught today are both idiots and deserving of a good old ass kicking. But players in the 90's? I'm not sure what I would have done if I was in their shoes. Take a shot, play better, make more $$$ with little repercussions. A tough one...
Not to mention having to decide to juice to keep you job because other players are juicing. It would definitely be a tough decision if you were in their shoes.
I don't pay attention much to the steroid stuff in baseball. People that love baseball know how great players of the past were no matter where they show up on a list.
There will be cheating and doping in sports probably forever because there will be people trying to stay ahead of the tests. Sure it sucks that these lists have been somewhat skewed. It sucks that football's stats don't mean as much and baseball gets all the attention because I would say there has been just as much steroids in football over the years as baseball. But I would still much rather watch a baseball game than a football game where the results of the games are skewed by the ridiculous rules of the game.
Hopefully some of these sports start to lose some of their limelight, and the only pure sport left will get more and more attention--Bass Fishing
Brando70 wrote:The other problem is that detection for HGH requires a blood test, and unlike the Olympics, the NFL has to get the player's union to agree to such a test. I would like the league to test for that, but if you tried to force any workers to take a mandatory blood test, in any industry, you'd have a huge legal fight on your hands.
I figure a blood test will be part of whatever new CBA gets ratified in the next few years. Both sides need to maintain the public perception that they are in front of this issue; baseball will run out of scandals sooner rather than later and the public eye might switch directions.
Brando70 wrote:The other problem is that detection for HGH requires a blood test, and unlike the Olympics, the NFL has to get the player's union to agree to such a test. I would like the league to test for that, but if you tried to force any workers to take a mandatory blood test, in any industry, you'd have a huge legal fight on your hands.
I figure a blood test will be part of whatever new CBA gets ratified in the next few years. Both sides need to maintain the public perception that they are in front of this issue; baseball will run out of scandals sooner rather than later and the public eye might switch directions.
I don't know, 240 pound RBs, 270 pound TEs and LBs and 350-pound tackles have become so common now that maybe fans would be surprised if strict testing was instituted and all the players got off the stuff and shrunk in size.
I didn't realize that steroids were synthesized in the '30s and have been suspected of being used in sports as far back as the '50s. In fact, according to the Wiki article, the USOC tried to develop a response back in the '50s or '60s to suspected Eastern Bloc use.
The IOC banned them in '76.
There were big baseball players back in the day, weren't there? Maybe not ripped but they had some bulk?
I think the issue with baseball is that steroid use tips the balance of the game. Roids benefit hitters much more than pitchers, whereas in football defenders and offensive players will see roughly equal benefits. Granted, ever-shrinking ballparks, juiced balls and league expansion played their part in the HR explosion too.
The whole situation is just sad. Players shouldn't be forced into causing long term damage to their internal organs and the possibility of pre-mature death just to keep an even-playing field with the next guy. The only way that happens is if owners care more about the health of the players than they do about their revenue streams, and we all know how that plays out.
If you go back to some of the good baseball books of the '80's, one common theme is that baseball players looked more like the everyday Joe versus other sports. They were freakishly gifted everyday Joe's, but at least they look like us. We could relate better to them. At some point in the late 80's, that changed pretty rapidly. There were fewer Greg Maddux's and more Mark McGwire's.
Like every other professional sport, that coincided with the huge increase in salaries. I still remember going to my first MLB game at Fenway Park in 1990. Very good seats 30 rows up behind the first base line... $8/each. That wasn't that long ago. I hate to think what those seats cost now. Is it any wonder though the pressure to use perform enhancing drugs is huge with the money at stake.
As Crash Davis said in Bull Durham, one extra lucky hit a week is enough to get you to the show. Any edge if you can get away with it is justified. Another way of looking at it is that up to half of any major league roster is chosen somewhat arbitrarily. Even the scouts admit their processes are flawed, and there is virtually no different between the AAA roster and the bottom half of the major league roster. If a player has a chance at a major league career, they don't want to be in that grey area. Like any business, they want to stand out and guarantee their roster spot. I am somewhat amazed the number of suspected drug users isn't higher.
So good luck, Commissioner Selig. You have a fine mess on your hands.
Brando70 wrote:
Yes, where players get paid under the table and have the academic rules bent and not broken in their favor.
The thing is, there is cheating in every sport. I'm disappointed about how widespread steroid use was in baseball and that it affected the HR records. But I don't watch sports for the records, I watch sports for entertainment. I think all the leagues should do their best to present clean games. However, in any excessively competitive environment, you're going to have some players looking to get an advantage any way they can. I'm not going to abandon sports I like because of that.
At this point, the MLB needs to adopt the NFL's stance and at least look tough on steroids. I am sure there is still plenty of that stuff in football, but Goodell at least makes an effort to keep the league clean and punish players for actions that are bad for the sport.
I'm talking about players who take PED's, not taking bribes to play for a certain team.. that's another discussion.
So, should we just let them all take illegal drugs? I mean if Hank Aaron hit all of those HR's without PED's, doesn't that matter to you that Bonds broke his record with illegal drugs?
I mean, every time you turn the TV on, it's another baseball drug related story. Fck Bug Selig, he needs to go.
Many of these players would have had long careers in baseball. It's not as if they are marginal players who wouldn't have lasted in the major leagues without drugs.
Taking the drugs helped them put up big numbers and get big contracts. That was what made them do it, no "pressure."[/b]
