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tealboy03 wrote:I'd rather see them earn it on the field in the postseason, than see it awarded to them via computers and opinions before the season ever starts...
Agreed. But this is one season in which it sure seems the two best teams in the land are matched on the field Wednesday night.

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Here is a good example of the Notre Dame bias

BC beat more teams with winning records (Clemson, Virginia, BYU, NC State, and Boise then Notre Dame did and BC is around 17th in the polls.

Notre Dame beats two winning teams (Michigan and BYU) the whole season and they are ranked 5th in the country going into the bowls.
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There were some good games yesterday (Bama/TTech and WV/Georgia) but I agree that in the grand scheme of things they were meaningless. I don't want to beat a dead horse but I do want to see some sort of playoff installed in NCAA football. I'd rather watch the NCAA 1AA playoffs then the Bowl games.

That fake punt by WVU was ballsy and cool as hell. :wink:
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Zlax45 wrote:Here is a good example of bias. Read my reply.
Edited for the truth...

Now points you failed to mention...

First: you left off Navy which had a winning record and won a bowl game.

Second: Notre Dame beat a couple of top 25 teams (at the time of the game). BC beat none.

Third: Notre Dame did play the #1 team in the nation down to the wire, when few expected them to. BC choked in each of it's big games on National TV (Va Tech - FSU).

Fourth: As bad as the Michigan St loss was it happened early in the season. The North Carolina butt kicking BC took was toward the end and far more humiliating.

Fifth: BC fans should not use the term BIAS in their replies.
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bdoughty wrote:Fifth: BC fans should not use the term BIAS in their replies.
LMAO. :lol:
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At the time I thought the fake punt was ballsy. However, the more I think about it, it was the right move either way. Georgia had been moving the ball at will for most of the game. If Georgia got the ball back, they most likely would have won.
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Zlax45 wrote:Here is a good example of the Notre Dame bias

BC beat more teams with winning records (Clemson, Virginia, BYU, NC State, and Boise then Notre Dame did and BC is around 17th in the polls.

Notre Dame beats two winning teams (Michigan and BYU) the whole season and they are ranked 5th in the country going into the bowls.
Quit your f***ing whining.

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pk500 wrote:
tealboy03 wrote:I'd rather see them earn it on the field in the postseason, than see it awarded to them via computers and opinions before the season ever starts...
Agreed. But this is one season in which it sure seems the two best teams in the land are matched on the field Wednesday night.

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Hell of a finish in the Orange Bowl.
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There are a lot of things wrong with college football rules, but their overtime system is far superior to the NFL's.

The Orange Bowl was very good theater.
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sfz_T-car wrote:The Orange Bowl was very good theater.
Yeah...right up until they tried to interview the mummy after the game. That was a disaster.
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Arghhhhh!!!! Nothing more frustrating than setting Tivo to record the game starting at halftime, going through the local news and through Nightline and still not getting the whole game. Saw the first OT and was in the dark from there. One heck of a game. Both defenses were brutal tonight. Can only hope that tonight's game is as good as this one.

Already set Tivo to record through Kimmel.
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We're #3!? :D :D 8O :?
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I don't know, it was complete ineptitude by the kickers which drew this game out.

Defenses were tough but they were playing so conservative, you hope tonite's game, they open things up as expected.
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wco81 wrote:I don't know, it was complete ineptitude by the kickers which drew this game out.

Defenses were tough but they were playing so conservative, you hope tonite's game, they open things up as expected.
Watching that kicking display was brutal. Glad PSU won because they're B10 but man, that was ugly and cost me at least an hour sleep.

And I am one that hates both the NFL and NCAA OT rules. I hate the first to score thing but I'm also no fan of giving a team the ball at the 25. Paterno went into total shell mode with the ball in OT, and why not? It's only a 42 yard kick from the start. Give the teams the ball at the 40. Make a team get a first friggin' down.
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Bill_Abner wrote:
wco81 wrote:I don't know, it was complete ineptitude by the kickers which drew this game out.

Defenses were tough but they were playing so conservative, you hope tonite's game, they open things up as expected.
Watching that kicking display was brutal. Glad PSU won because they're B10 but man, that was ugly and cost me at least an hour sleep.

And I am one that hates both the NFL and NCAA OT rules. I hate the first to score thing but I'm also no fan of giving a team the ball at the 25. Paterno went into total shell mode with the ball in OT, and why not? It's only a 42 yard kick from the start. Give the teams the ball at the 40. Make a team get a first friggin' down.
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Good game last night, nice to see Paterno get the win. True that the kicking game drew the game out, but it was amazing how close those OT kicks were. FSU and Penn St. kept centering the ball instead of compensating for shanking :D

The NCAA OT rules make for good TV but remind me too much of penalty kicks. Honestly, both the NFL and NCAA should switch things up a bit. Use the NFL version but allow each team one possession. For playoff games where you can't have a tie, use regular sudden death rules for a second OT.
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sfz_T-car wrote:There are a lot of things wrong with college football rules, but their overtime system is far superior to the NFL's.
I could not disagree more with this. Special teams is an essential part of the game and the college football overtime setup completely takes it out of the game.
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ScoopBrady wrote:
sfz_T-car wrote:There are a lot of things wrong with college football rules, but their overtime system is far superior to the NFL's.
I could not disagree more with this. Special teams is an essential part of the game and the college football overtime setup completely takes it out of the game.

That'd be fine if they allowed the other team a chance to respond. I never have understood the logic in the winner of the coin toss essentially getting the upper hand. Sounds alot like the BCS system in general... :wink:
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OT, but an interesting statistical analysis of the NFL overtime:

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/200 ... thtrek.asp
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The winner of the coin toss does not get the upper hand. Nearly 48% of the time, the team that loses the toss still gets the ball at least once.

Who is to say defense is not an equal part of the game?
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bdunn13 wrote:The winner of the coin toss does not get the upper hand.
This is not true statistically during the past 10 years. In the article the Penn State economist stated, "The analysis finds with 99.99 % certainty that the [coin] flip has made a difference in the outcome of the game over the last 10 years," he concludes. "But for the period prior to those 10 years, the coin flip cannot be shown to be important."

I did a Google search on this earlier prior to Brando's post and also saw reference to additional research in which the same conclusion was drawn.

I have never seen a coach defer once winning the OT coin toss even if they had an outstanding defense and pitiful offense.
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Leebo33 wrote:I have never seen a coach defer once winning the OT coin toss even if they had an outstanding defense and pitiful offense.
I could be making this up, but I thought someone deferred a few years ago, primarily due to an extreme wind...and lost.

My all-time favorite NFL OT moment was when the ref incorrectly heard Bettis' heads-tails call. The Lions get the ball and win.
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Dave wrote:
My all-time favorite NFL OT moment was when the ref incorrectly heard Bettis' heads-tails call. The Lions get the ball and win.
Phil Luckett was the official is now a Back judge in the NFL. I saw him doing a game recently and said that is Luckett who must have been demoted. :lol:
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Dave wrote:
Leebo33 wrote:I have never seen a coach defer once winning the OT coin toss even if they had an outstanding defense and pitiful offense.
I could be making this up, but I thought someone deferred a few years ago, primarily due to an extreme wind...and lost.

My all-time favorite NFL OT moment was when the ref incorrectly heard Bettis' heads-tails call. The Lions get the ball and win.
That would be Marty Morninwheg, while he was coach of Detroit.
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