Battlefield 3

[Teal]

The one thing I've always loved about Bad Company and now this is that your success isn't necessarily measured in KDR. Mine is absolutely horrible, yet I'm always one off the higher scoring players on my team. I'm a support type of guy by nature, it's my comfort zone, and these games reward for that style of play.

This.

The whole point of this game, and all the BG games, is objective-based. K:D ratio is much more important to me in CoD. If I've repaired vehicles, doled out ammo and health, captured bases in a round of BF, I'm happy. Hell, half the time i have an atrocious K:D but I'm still in the top half of the scoreboard because of the points I rack up doing the support and objective-based tasks.

This this. I was in the top of the leaderboard the other night in one match, and my K\D was 0/0. I healed, captured bases, and provided suppression.

[Naples39]

I will say scoring could use some balancing. Fastest way I've seen to rack up points is to play CQ and run around neutralizing & capturing flags. I don't even know of a close second to be honest.

This is a little concerning. I won MVP the other day on CQ game in which I had 3 kills. I'm not really concerned about individual scoring too be honest, it's just if these maps have been sufficiently modified for 24 players on console. There's a huge difference between 64-player and 24-player games, and a lot of big-map CQ games haven't been interesting because there's no focus of action.

Put a few guys in jets and choppers, and you've got 6-8 guys fighting for 4 control points on a huge map? Not the greatest setup.

[dbdynsty25]

Put a few guys in jets and choppers, and you've got 6-8 guys fighting for 4 control points on a huge map? Not the greatest setup.

Definitely a downside of the console version. Quite a bit more action on the pc.

[Spooky]

Wow...how much action do you guys really need? Good lord.

Personally, I like the fact that things can quiet down here and there during a battle. There shouldn't always be constant battling at every single objective/base every second. That feels unrealistic to me.

I too have been in the top 3 on many rounds with a horrible K/D. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one in the session not playing the game like a team deathmatch. And, while I like that you can get points and rewarded for doing things other than killing, I do get bummed that my weapons and accessories will never get upgraded unless I kill with them. Leveling up my rank gives me MUCH less than leveling up my weapons and sights.

[RobVarak]

Why doesn't the 360 version do this? Or does it and did I just miss it the other night?

http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlef ... ion-3.aspx##

[Jimmydeicide]

Can a guest play online? Like me and my son 1 account.

[Danimal]

Why doesn't the 360 version do this? Or does it and did I just miss it the other night?

http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlef ... ion-3.aspx##

I think you missed the point. I know how to do what their blog said it's just not very intuitive. What I was saying is why can't I be in a Live party and just say take party to a game? I can do this on the PC, I can't on the 360.

[Diablo25]

Wow...how much action do you guys really need? Good lord.

Personally, I like the fact that things can quiet down here and there during a battle. There shouldn't always be constant battling at every single objective/base every second. That feels unrealistic to me.

Totally agree. I like the fact that I can have a few moments to get my bearings, see what needs to be defended/attacked, etc. I played a team death match round with a friend earlier today and hated it. Every time I turned around there was enemy just running and gunning. I love the objective based gameplay of Conquest or Rush (even though I haven't played much Rush yet).

[Teal]

TDM is okay, sometimes, but I much prefer objective-based, teamwork-centric gameplay over that anyday. TDM has the word 'team' in it, but it most certainly isn't required to work together in order to succeed. One dude with 28 kills can lift the rest of the team. I don't even really know why the Battlefield team even bothered with deathmatch. It's tedious and boring, or absolutely infuriating, in a game like BF3. CoD's maps are smaller, and it has tended to be better for TDM, but even then, I prefer the Battlefield Conquest-type modes in that game, too.

[Naples39]

You never know about drawing too many conclusions too quickly, but the games where you respawn at base, jump in a vehicle, go to capture point, and play hide and seek with one other guy there isn't very compelling to me.

Seems pretty clear to me these big conquest maps are specifically design for 64 players. I'm going to play more Rush. I don't need running and gunning COD-style, but I do expect a multi-person firefight more than once or twice a 10-minute round, or some opportunities for team actions.

I played a round at that Kharg map today and not once the entire round did I see two enemies together. That isn't how battlefield is supposed to be played. Maybe it was a bad game, but with 3 or 4 teammates in aircraft, one or two dicking around doing god knows what, 6 people spread out over a giant map with 4 unconnected control points......just pretty lame.

Oh, and the 360 servers are still crap today.

[RobVarak]

Rush is where it's at. That's the bread and butter of the game IMO.

[Diablo25]

Rush is where it's at. That's the bread and butter of the game IMO.

I was all over Rush about an hour ago. I hadn't played it since the beta because I was tired of it but man is it sweet on a big map. I had some of my best performances since getting the game. Loving Caspian Border in Rush mode

Also, I am almost at level 8

[Teal]

The only problem I have with Rush is that, if you get on a team that is more worried about kill streaks than they are objectives, you can't do much about it. With conquest, you can at least make a run at it. It drives me bonkers to be defending package A, see that someone set the explosive at package B, and not one damned person tries to defuse it. They'd rather brag about getting 41 kills by themselves than playing the f'ing game the way it was meant to be played.

[Diablo25]

The only problem I have with Rush is that, if you get on a team that is more worried about kill streaks than they are objectives, you can't do much about it. With conquest, you can at least make a run at it. It drives me bonkers to be defending package A, see that someone set the explosive at package B, and not one damned person tries to defuse it. They'd rather brag about getting 41 kills by themselves than playing the f'ing game the way it was meant to be played.

True.

[Danimal]

Dan...how are you going about playing on both the 360 and PC? I've got the 360 version finally so I'm pretty sure I can't use the same gamer tag for both but can't really select a new one on the 360. Hmmmm

DB sorry I missed this.

Well it's not accumulated stats I am sure you know that already. Anyway my Origin ID is the same email for both so they both synched up with the one account, I really didn't do anything special. When I hit the website in the upper right my Handle is also a drop down so I can view either the Pc or 360 stats.

[dbdynsty25]

Dan...how are you going about playing on both the 360 and PC? I've got the 360 version finally so I'm pretty sure I can't use the same gamer tag for both but can't really select a new one on the 360. Hmmmm

DB sorry I missed this.

Well it's not accumulated stats I am sure you know that already. Anyway my Origin ID is the same email for both so they both synched up with the one account, I really didn't do anything special. When I hit the website in the upper right my Handle is also a drop down so I can view either the Pc or 360 stats.

No worries man...and damn. Sucks that I use two different accounts. I have to sign in separately to see each. Thought that might be the trick (the email being the same) but alas, mine are different. Oh well...not a huge deal. Thanks.

[Brando70]

Rush is where it's at. That's the bread and butter of the game IMO.

I had a good time playing that with you guys last night. Defending the points on the one hill map was pretty awesome.

[FifaInspected]

As much as i've always preferred the teamwork based Conquest mode to the frantic Rush, I have to agree with most of what is written above in regards to BF:3. Saturday night Roguewar and I basically ran around the maps capturing them, more like a track and field event than a military operation. Yes, points do add up quick, but it's flat out boring at times. As mentioned above, some maps could have 2 guys in jets, a guy or two in a helicopter, 2 or more in a tank.. throw a few snipers off in the hills and who's left actually playing the game? For the most part, conquest is a snooze. Yes, i've been part of a few great battles (and i'm not including the insane operation metro) but for the most part it's arriving to capture a base meeting little or no resistance. I'd still take a good conquest game over rush.. There is something about the thrill and satisfaction of being part of a squad that actually works as a team....However, i'm thinking good conquest games will be had in BF:BC2... Darn glad I kept that game!


Off to try some rush.

[Teal]

Last night was a blast. That last Rush match was absolutely awesome. Rob and I played just one more, and it was that one that really got the adrenaline pumping. As attackers, we didn't get beyond the second tier of points, then we went on defense, and just couldn't stop the other team. And dammit, we'd get them down to one. last. guy. and they'd capture it. We were backed all the way to the last capture points, and they'd already gotten one. They had an air assault that was tremendously effective. Hell, we couldn't even get IN a tank without being locked on by a Frogfoot and destroyed! Now those planes were absolutely hammering the building with the last capture point in it. The building all but crumbled down, and they just kept coming. It was awesome. Fire was coming from everywhere, we kept mowing down guys, jumping in the room, defusing the explosives...the music started pumping, one last guy remained...and I snuck up behind him and stuck a knife in his neck. Wow. It was amazing fun.

[btmmayor]

For the most part, conquest is a snooze.

My experience so far has been the complete opposite. Maybe I've been lucky with my games, but outside of Caspian and Firestorm (which play out much like Heavy Metal from BC2, a map I quit most times when it popped up) my conquest games have been fantastic and even more intense than BC2.

Tehran, Seine, Bazaar, Peak and Metro are all insane. Karg and Canals are larger, but the bases are placed close enough together that I have never had to search for action.

Again maybe I've been fortunate with the players in my games, but in my opinion 7 of the 9 maps are fantastic for conquest. Hell, I've even learned to like Metro a wee bit.

[TCrouch]

I broke down and got their online key and played a couple of matches. In one I ended up as the machine gunner in some dude's tank that I didn't even know. We pretty much trolled around the entire map and wrecked shop for the entire match. Ended up with something like 7 kills and 1 death that I got before I got in that tank.

The second match I actually got into some firefights, and noticed something very cool that I'm sure other people have already seen. When you're going into a building, it's tough to see inside with the lighting differences. It's very advantageous to be shooting from inside a building out into the light, and going into a doorway can be tricky while your "eyes" adjust on screen. I managed to take hold of some gas station building and hold off like 2 or 3 waves of 2-man teams trying to take it. After I had 5 or 6 kills, they lobbed grenades at the walls and knocked them down, and finally got me. Little things like that I like.

I've been in quite a few 1-on-1 firefights and came out on top probably 80% of the time with my crappy level 1 iron sights gun, so my fears of sucking due to crappy gear were somewhat alleviated. I don't know if it's something I'd play a lot, but it was far more entertaining than I expected.

[Naples39]

The quality of CQ is highly dependent on the map. Something like Metro is so-so for me, as it is pure shooting in boxy spaces. Bazaar is similar but I find the layout more enjoyable so far than Metro.

Tehran is pretty good on CQ, with just a few vehicles and an open sight lines. Damavan Peak is the same way with just a few vehicles entering the tunnel.

Firestorm, Kharg, Caspian....not very enjoyable for me with only 24 players in CQ.

Going from Metro to Caspian in CQ mode may as well be entirely different games.

[Diablo25]

Damn Treat of Treaters! I want to get in some Rush in BF3 but I know the doorbell will be ringing every 5 minutes 8 pm I'll be getting after it!

[Teal]

Damn Treat of Treaters! I want to get in some Rush in BF3 but I know the doorbell will be ringing every 5 minutes 8 pm I'll be getting after it!

Shut the lights off, put on some headphones, and ignore 'em! I'd be on tonight, but I have to work til after midnight tonight, so it'll have to wait...dammit...

[Diablo25]

Damn Treat of Treaters! I want to get in some Rush in BF3 but I know the doorbell will be ringing every 5 minutes 8 pm I'll be getting after it!

Shut the lights off, put on some headphones, and ignore 'em! I'd be on tonight, but I have to work til after midnight tonight, so it'll have to wait...dammit...

Turned 'em off early and joined Fifa for some Conquest . My shot of the night was a snipe from a cliff. Took out two guys in a chopper. Awesome.