Racing Sim Thread

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:46 am

Jimmy...be man enough to race GPL again.....oh..wait..."it's to hard"....wahhhhhh!

I dont have the time to practice like a school teacher , and im kinda fed up with all the bs thats required to get these games running online properly , routers, firewalls , igor this young frankenstein that.

You guys's excitement has perked my interest but i think ill wait and keep practicing rfactor so im ready if you start that one.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:42 pm

Jimmydeicide wrote:
Jimmy...be man enough to race GPL again.....oh..wait..."it's to hard"....wahhhhhh!

I dont have the time to practice like a school teacher , and im kinda fed up with all the bs thats required to get these games running online properly , routers, firewalls , igor this young frankenstein that.

You guys's excitement has perked my interest but i think ill wait and keep practicing rfactor so im ready if you start that one.

P*ssy! It took me a total of about two or three hours to download and load all the stuff I needed to run the game from scratch. I would have spent three times that much time if I knew the game was this f*cking good.

Come on, you lazy sod!

Take care,
PK

TCrouch · Post by **TCrouch** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:52 pm

Appears I checked this thread a tad late...I still have GPL floating around somewhere. Never raced it online much.

pigpen81 · Post by **pigpen81** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:54 pm

Guys, how do we use replay analyzer to post the results here from our online race?

Check out ADC and their forums to see how they post them. It is freaking cool.

Each person is broken down with their time per lap as well as the fastest time, fastest average time, etc.

How cool would it be to post those kinds of results after each race?

johnvon314 · Post by **johnvon314** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:54 pm

Question... is the Watkins Glen track in the 2004 Demo the same as the original GPL? I'm like PK and would like to update the original tracks a bit.

For those who havn't checked out the GPL Alternative Track Database, it is quite the candy store of tracks. My favorites are Lime Rock and Monza 10K (like in Grand Prix).
http://gpltd.bcsims.com/

John

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:01 pm

johnvon314 wrote:Question... is the Watkins Glen track in the 2004 Demo the same as the original GPL? I'm like PK and would like to update the original tracks a bit.

For those who havn't checked out the GPL Alternative Track Database, it is quite the candy store of tracks. My favorites are Lime Rock and Monza 10K (like in Grand Prix).
http://gpltd.bcsims.com/

John

John:

No, it's the same layout, but it's graphically enhanced quite a bit in the demo over the original.

It's easy to upgrade the graphics of the other 10 tracks from the original games. Drag the complete folders for each of the other 10 tracks in the original game -- NOT Watkins Glen -- to the Tracks folder of the demo. Then either follow the links in Don's post a few pages back or go to www.stevelife.com and download the upgrades for the tracks, putting the new files into the respective track folders on the demo. Just overwrite everything it asks, and you're set.

I recommend Steve Life over Don's, at least for now. Steve's tracks aren't as historically accurate as Don's mix, but they're VERY pretty. And they're all easy upgrades, simply taking unzipping an .exe file, exporting it to the respective track folder of the demo and running it from there. Done. Takes about two minutes to update each track.

I'm no expert at GPL, but I do have recent experience at a total upgrade of the 2004 demo.

Really enjoyed racing with you last night. I think we could have had a nice joust, as our skill levels seem similar now, if we could have kept the cars on track!

Eager to race again soon.

Take care,
PK

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:04 pm

TCrouch wrote:Appears I checked this thread a tad late...I still have GPL floating around somewhere. Never raced it online much.

Jump in! And then the race for second will begin ...

Take care,
PK

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:05 pm

pigpen81 wrote:Guys, how do we use replay analyzer to post the results here from our online race?

Check out ADC and their forums to see how they post them. It is freaking cool.

Each person is broken down with their time per lap as well as the fastest time, fastest average time, etc.

How cool would it be to post those kinds of results after each race?

Can I possibly get more erect? Doubtful.

Standing at attention,
PK

pigpen81 · Post by **pigpen81** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:44 pm

You what also is so great about GPL? No matter how far behind I was in the ADC races, it was still a rush just to try and imrove my PB.

As soon as everyone gets going, we need a DSP 67 GPL Championship where we run the stock tracks over 11 weeks.

Don, any idea on how to get Replay Analyzer to help post our results here on the forum?

Tonight when I am home I'll do some research.

DChaps · Post by **DChaps** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:36 pm

It's funny you mention the ADC (Average Driver's Club), as I was basically the initial GPL server provider for that group until they outgrew my capacity. Great group of guys though I did more server admin work then I got to do racing.

http://adc.speedgeezers.com/pages/club- ... istory.php

That was back at around the same time we were doing our NR2003 SR/OS league. Then my wife and I had twins and managing racing servers became a lower priority.

Anyway, all this resurgence has me ready to try for a DSP GPL League revival.

GPL Replay Analyser is great. Basically all you need to do is make sure the GPL server is set to save and export the full race replay log and then you run Replay Analyser on the replay and it does the rest automatically. I used to do this for GPL and NR2003. I would be glad to give it a shot again for a DSP/GPL League. We could follow the same rules and guidelines as the ADC.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:48 pm

DChaps wrote:It's funny you mention the ADC (Average Driver's Club), as I was basically the initial GPL server provider for that group until they outgrew my capacity. Great group of guys though I did more server admin work then I got to do racing.

http://adc.speedgeezers.com/pages/club- ... istory.php

>>>Early on, a gentleman named Don Chapman jumped on board to handle our hosting duties.<<<

A gentleman named Don Chapman? Certainly can't be the same c*cksucker we all know and love, can it?

DChaps wrote:Anyway, all this resurgence has me ready to try for a DSP GPL League revival.

I'm all over it like bacteria in a septic tank!

Thanks,
PK

DChaps · Post by **DChaps** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:50 pm

pk500 wrote:P*ssy! It took me a total of about two or three hours to download and load all the stuff I needed to run the game from scratch. I would have spent three times that much time if I knew the game was this f*cking good.

Now how long have I been telling you that you would love GPL?

Cool thing is that even though GPL is almost 9 years old, the final version of the 1969 cars (high wing and low wing), 66 cars and physics, and the highly anticipated Montjuich Park are all right around the corner thus continuing the lifespan of this masterpiece.

http://montjuich.speedgeezers.com/

http://bcsims.net/Montjuich.wmv

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:05 pm

I bow in homage to you, Don, I bow.

I still can't get any version of Monaco Rocks to run right. Weird, because every other track update from Steve Life runs fine. But the one track that Steve didn't update, because Monaco Rocks is so brilliant, doesn't work.

I tried the high-res, 4-bit and 4-bit light, and I still get the problem of the textures and distant buildings all warping into a 60s music video melange. I also tried it at 16-bit colors instead of 32-bit.

No dice.

Since I got my original copy of GPL from "alternative" means, maybe my original Monaco track file wasn't the "pure" original, and that's causing the problem when I try to overwrite with Monaco Rocks.

Since original GPL track files are around 5 MB or less, does anyone have the original, untouched Monaco track file on their hard drive that they can send to me via e-mail at pkcny@yahoo.com ? I would be much obliged.

Thanks,
PK

James_E · Post by **James_E** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:08 pm

DChaps wrote:
GPL Replay Analyser is great. Basically all you need to do is make sure the GPL server is set to save and export the full race replay log and then you run Replay Analyser on the replay and it does the rest automatically. I used to do this for GPL and NR2003. I would be glad to give it a shot again for a DSP/GPL League. We could follow the same rules and guidelines as the ADC.

I did have it export last night and had a look at some of my laps. What do I do with the files now so others can use em?

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:10 pm

P.S.: My cousin Provo is all over this. Once he gets everything installed and gets his hands on a wheel -- he's going to mooch from you cats like I did; it's in the genes

-- he'll join our growing merry band of racing revivalists.

Thanks,
PK

mixdj1 · Post by **mixdj1** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:18 pm

My Logitech MOMO left San Pablo, CA this morning so I'm hoping it will be here on Monday or Tuesday. I can't wait to run some laps with you guys. For all of the years I've owned GPL I think I've only taken it online once or twice. I've been messing around with it the last several days but I'm forced to use an xbox controller until the wheel arrives and I don't dare enter the same track as a live player with how twitchy that controller is.

DChaps · Post by **DChaps** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:09 pm

pk500 wrote:Since I got my original copy of GPL from "alternative" means, maybe my original Monaco track file wasn't the "pure" original, and that's causing the problem when I try to overwrite with Monaco Rocks.

You have mail.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:16 pm

Muchos gracias, Donaldo.

Thanks,
PK

pigpen81 · Post by **pigpen81** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:47 pm

These are the rules and they are great:

http://adc.speedgeezers.com/pages/gpl/rules.php

Here are the results (Gpl analyzer) from their race last night:

http://forums.speedgeezers.com/index.ph ... opic=21835

Freaking sweet!

TheTruth · Post by **TheTruth** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:14 pm

Guys...quick question.

I thought I read someone post that the gpl 2004 demo was the full game? So, I can just download the demo and not have to buy the original gpl? Or I need to buy gpl and then apply this demo/patch?

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:04 pm

TheTruth wrote:Guys...quick question.

I thought I read someone post that the gpl 2004 demo was the full game? So, I can just download the demo and not have to buy the original gpl? Or I need to buy gpl and then apply this demo/patch?

Truth:

The 2004 demo is the full game with updated graphics, but it only comes with an updated Watkins Glen and no other tracks.

So if you want the 10 other original tracks, you'll need the original game. Or one of us could send them to you on a disc or via e-mail. They're around 5 MB apiece.

Join us, man!

Take care,
PK

James_E · Post by **James_E** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:25 pm

Here is what I have about last night... our short race cause 3 out of 4 of us retired.

I think we need a new thread for the GPL races/results. Agree?

Track: Watglen Wed Jan 10 22:44:18 2007

PRACTICE TIMES

Pos No Driver Team Nat Time Diff Laps
1 15 Dennis Gildehaus Lotus USA 1m09.139s 5
2 4 Jamie Esliger Lotus CAN 1m10.268s 01.129s 7
3 16 Paul Kelly Cooper USA 1m15.182s 06.043s 4
4 15 John Voncannon Brabham USA 1m16.948s 07.809s 4

All times are official
Generated with GPL Replay Analyser

Track: Watglen Wed Jan 10 22:44:18 2007

RACE RESULTS (After 10 laps)

Pos No Driver Team Nat Laps Race Time Diff
1 15 Dennis Gildehaus Lotus USA 10 11m56.257s
2 4 Jamie Esliger Lotus CAN 7 9m00.074s 3 lap(s)
3 16 Paul Kelly Cooper USA 6 8m12.360s 4 lap(s)
4 15 John Voncannon Brabham USA 1 1m25.540s 9 lap(s)

Race results are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver Time Lap
1 Dennis Gildehaus 1m09.585s 7
2 Jamie Esliger 1m09.604s 4
3 Paul Kelly 1m15.419s 3
4 John Voncannon 1m24.039s 1

LEADERS

Driver Laps
Jamie Esliger 1-5
Dennis Gildehaus 6-10

Number of lead changes: 1
Number of leaders: 2

LAPS LED

Driver Laps led
Dennis Gildehaus 5
Jamie Esliger 5

HIGHEST CLIMBER

Driver Start Finish Change
Paul Kelly 3 3 0
Dennis Gildehaus 1 1 0
John Voncannon 4 4 0
Jamie Esliger 2 2 0

ON TRACK LAPS

Driver Laps/Total Percent
Dennis Gildehaus (8/10) 80.00
Paul Kelly (3/6) 50.00
Jamie Esliger (3/7) 42.86
John Voncannon (0/1) 0.00

RACE LAPTIME CONSISTENCY
(first lap excluded)

Driver Avg Deviation Std Deviation Avg Laptime Laps
Dennis Gildehaus 1.244 1.691 1m11.037s 10
Paul Kelly 4.953 5.714 1m22.018s 6
Jamie Esliger 8.453 9.506 1m17.477s 7

All times are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

Generated with GPL Replay Analyser

Track: Watglen Wed Jan 10 22:44:18 2007

Driver: Jamie Esliger - Lotus

Practice laps
Lap 1: 1m17.006s
Lap 2: 51.565s [Off the track, Invalid lap]
Lap 3: 1m32.020s [Off the track]
Lap 4: 1m11.424s
Lap 5: 1m10.268s
Lap 6: 1m43.239s [Off the track]
Lap 7: 1m24.978s [Off the track]

Race laps
Lap 0: 36.584s
Lap 1: 1m15.602s
Lap 2: 1m12.888s [Off the track]
Lap 3: 1m11.285s [Off the track]
Lap 4: 1m09.604s
Lap 5: 1m10.772s
Lap 6: 1m24.949s [Off the track]
Lap 7: 1m35.366s [Off the track]

Driver: Paul Kelly - Cooper

Practice laps
Lap 1: 4m53.103s [Off the track, Invalid lap]
Lap 2: 1m16.599s
Lap 3: 1m16.275s [Off the track]
Lap 4: 1m15.182s [Off the track]

Race laps
Lap 0: 38.245s
Lap 1: 1m20.998s
Lap 2: 1m31.109s [Off the track]
Lap 3: 1m15.419s
Lap 4: 1m16.945s [Off the track]
Lap 5: 1m25.313s
Lap 6: 1m21.307s [Off the track]

Driver: Dennis Gildehaus - Lotus

Practice laps
Lap 1: 1m17.802s [Off the track]
Lap 2: 1m11.371s
Lap 3: 1m10.962s
Lap 4: 1m09.580s
Lap 5: 1m09.139s

Race laps
Lap 0: 36.976s
Lap 1: 1m16.917s
Lap 2: 1m11.489s
Lap 3: 1m11.440s
Lap 4: 1m10.167s
Lap 5: 1m10.261s
Lap 6: 1m09.819s [Off the track]
Lap 7: 1m09.585s
Lap 8: 1m09.755s
Lap 9: 1m11.475s
Lap 10: 1m15.349s [Off the track]

Driver: John Voncannon - Brabham

Practice laps
Lap 1: 2m47.753s [Off the track, Invalid lap]
Lap 2: 1m21.210s
Lap 3: 1m19.744s
Lap 4: 1m16.948s [Off the track]

Race laps
Lap 0: 38.477s
Lap 1: 1m24.039s [Off the track]

Generated with GPL Replay Analyser

Track: Watglen Wed Jan 10 22:44:18 2007

LAP BY LAP RACE REPORT

Start of the race:
Polesitter Dennis Gildehaus in a Lotus leads the field as the flag drops.

Lap 1:
Jamie Esliger overtakes Dennis Gildehaus.
Jamie Esliger is in position 1 at the end of the lap.
Dennis Gildehaus loses the lead.
The new race leader is Jamie Esliger.

Lap 2:
John Voncannon retires the Brabham.

Lap 6:
Dennis Gildehaus overtakes Jamie Esliger.
Dennis Gildehaus is in position 1 at the end of the lap.
Jamie Esliger loses the lead.
The new race leader is Dennis Gildehaus.

Lap 7:
Paul Kelly retires the Cooper.
What would become the fastest lap of the race is set by Dennis Gildehaus.
The time is an impressive 1m09.585s.

Lap 8:
Jamie Esliger retires the Lotus.

End of the race:
Dennis Gildehaus wins the race
Finishing order and last lap info is unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

Generated with GPL Replay Analyser

DChaps · Post by **DChaps** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:27 pm

So I've added the following to my GPL Rank Buddies List:

Dennis Gildehaus
Joe Heiman
Jamie E
Paul Kelly

Anyone here that I am missing that has an account? If you want to add me to your Buddy List do a driver search under DChaps.

DChaps · Post by **DChaps** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:31 pm

James_E wrote:I think we need a new thread for the GPL races/results. Agree?

I'll create a site that we can post the results to and then provide links. That is what I was able to do with NR2003 analyser. Although I am starting to remember that GPL's results list may not have all the HTML coding that was out of the box with NR2003 analyser. Either way, it should not take too much for me to get a simple results site going.

If we do start a league and/or regular GPL racing, we should probably at least setup one thread dedicated to that similar to what we did for the TOCA leagues. That way we keep this thread mostly related to updates and releases of racing sims. So far I think the discussion in here has added greatly to the thread. Particularly to anyone that might just recently been turned on to GPL.

pigpen81 · Post by **pigpen81** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:55 pm

Good call Don. Maybe for now we can add a GPL only thread. Perhaps Scoop can sticky it.

Thanks for the results James...what a rush to look at all the race info....woohoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!