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TCrouch wrote:I get frustrated from time to time because I'm trying to just bump shoulders and do something, but then he pulls off some crazy move. I mean, I'm dribbling the ball. I'M IN POSSESSION OF THE BALL. Then, here comes Zeppo...splits right in front of me, kicks me in the groin, steps on my scrotum, laughs, spits on me, and the ref calls a foul...ON ME!

Meanwhile, my shoelaces touch his and I get fouled immediately.

I have yet to grasp the concept of the foul calls in this one, but I can't stop playing it. Not even close.
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Honestly, though, for me the greatest improvement/tweak to WE9 from past iterations is the fouling and the overall physical interactions among players on and away from the ball. Fouling is far more realistic than ever before, and it makes the game much more realistic as a whole.

Fouling in WE9 is finally 'there,' or at least much closer than before (there still aren't enough accidental yellows yet, and it's hard to get a red unless you try to). I LOVE it in this game!! Most of my techniques have been learned in old versions of WE, but in WE9 they work so much better now.

Essentially, any time you are pushing a button, be it A-button to go for the ball, or a turbo of whatever degree (R-trigger or black-button), you are liable to cause a foul. However, a lot depends on what the guy in posession of the ball is doing. As the ball carrier, the best way to take a foul is to not push antything, no stick, nothing. Or, you can try to make a kick, like a pass or a shot or a B-button long-ball, at the right time and get that foul. For example, if a defender is on your back rubbing up against you with turbo, if you let go of everything, most times that defender's turbo will push you over, and you get the whistle. If you keep running, or worse turbo, your player will try hard to stay up, sometimes losing balance enough to lose control of the ball but not enough to fall over. A little letting go of the stick and everything, and your guy will now be susceptible to the slightest of nudges and go down like the proverbial sack of potatoes.

Now, on the other side, the use of the super-cancel can be very powerful. On passes that you can contest, you will find that your player is magnetically attracted to the ball. If you have a step or two on the other guy, this is great, and allows you to prep a pass, or a turbo touch or whatever. However, if you are neck-and-neck with the other guy, you will both be running on lines directed at the ball, and so usually will not make contact with each other along the way (if you do it will usually be the mutual rubbing deal), colliding at the ball. No turbo or L-stick moving or anything will change your player's trajectory. Only the super cancel will help you here. Using the super cancel and a little L-stick (both turbos, so R-trigger and black button for Xbox), you can get your player off this magnetic attraction to the ball. In these situations, the super-cancel will let you get your hips and shoulders into the other guy and at the worst slow him down. Love it.

The super-cancel is most useful in those situations where the ball is rolling towards a boundary line, and you don't want your guy to touch it. How often do you see your guy run full-bore after a bounding ball, only to trap it out of play for a throw for the other guy when, if your guy wasn't so fast, it would have been your ball on the throw in or goal kick? The super-cancel is your friend, in these situations more than any other. With the super-cancel, you can just run away from the ball and let it go out. Or, you can hold your position and shield the other guy away from the ball so he can't get to it. Super-cancel is also very helpful on those long, hopeful diagonal aerial balls. Here, use the super cancel to jockey for position with the other guy, or try to fake him out. It's amazing what a good striker can do against an average side back with a little super-cancel action when the ball is up for grabs.

With the tweaks to physical interactions among players, I really think the fouling in this game is sublime. I can foul tactically when I want to (most of the time) without fear of getting booked, allowing me to stop play and get my guys back behind the ball. I can work to draw fouls for good free kicks, or slow the agressive ball-chasing D down by falling like a Honduran team :wink: It's never been so easy or so well implemented in a WE game before, and while it's not perfect, it's far closer to reality than anything before.
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Now Terry knows what it's like for the rest of us when we play racing games against him! He's always got a more powerful engine and stickier tires... I swear!
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I refuse to use Super Cancel. Anything that requires I press that many buttons simultaneously is just too strenuous for a videogame :)
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10spro wrote:Feanor; 7-0 on 4*, that's impressive man, may I ask you what formation you used and I know you're good at free kicks, so how many of the goals were from FK's?
I used a 4-3-3. But I made sure the the three midfielders had attack arrows going forward as I find unless I do this they don't get far enough upfield to support the attacks. Guily found a lot of space on the right and Ronaldinho was Ronaldinho. :) But I think it was one of those games where luck was on my side and everything went right.

Here's a picture of my formation. The little dots show how defensive each players is with 2 dots being very defensive, 1 dot being somewhat defensive, etc. And you can see the direction of the attack arrows.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/C ... mation.png

None of the 7 goals in the 15 minute game were free kicks. I'm actually struggling a bit with the free kicks on WE9 because I was so used to the WE8I free kick system. They are easier on WE9, but I just haven't got them figured out yet. It's pretty difficult to get the power right on 20-25m free kicks, and on longer feee kicks I keep hitting the posts.
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RobVarak wrote:I refuse to use Super Cancel. Anything that requires I press that many buttons simultaneously is just too strenuous for a videogame :)
Dude it's just the R1 and the black button.
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JRod wrote:
RobVarak wrote:I refuse to use Super Cancel. Anything that requires I press that many buttons simultaneously is just too strenuous for a videogame :)
Dude it's just the R1 and the black button.
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I know, I know. But the black button is an foul blight upon videogaming, I say! It's one thing to call for it in games where there's downtime (like it was in the NFL 2k series), but to incorporate it into on-the-fly play is just evil. I understand why it had to be done for WE, but a pox on MS for creating the damn thing to begin with!!
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RobVarak wrote:I know, I know. But the black button is an foul blight upon videogaming, I say! It's one thing to call for it in games where there's downtime (like it was in the NFL 2k series), but to incorporate it into on-the-fly play is just evil. I understand why it had to be done for WE, but a pox on MS for creating the damn thing to begin with!!
AGREED!!!
Maybe its old age but...
It is almost physically impossible for me to super cancel.

I am learning to get by. I just won My first 3* Konami Cup with Brazil.
Defeating Iran 3-0,Japan 4-3,Spain 1-0( so lucky),Argentina 1-0 and Tunisia 3-3 in Pks.
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Super cancel is easier if you swap Black with Y. Then it's just right trigger plus the top face button.
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Just lost to Hulkster in a PK after playing to a 0-0 draw after extra time. I outshot him 19-2 with Ivory Coast but Kasey Keller stood on his head and kept the USA in it. TOugh loss for the Cote d'Iveore team.
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Could someone explain the strategy one should use to be successful on free kicks and corners? Kind of kick aiming etc. I have no idea how to be successful on these..I just try random stuff and so far can't do crap. And this year is suppose to be easier?
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Feanor wrote:Super cancel is easier if you swap Black with Y. Then it's just right trigger plus the top face button.
but hitting Y for a through pass is so easy & natural with Y. I got many a pass by PK using Y.
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I need to play PK sometime so I can be his b*tch :roll:
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Zlax45 wrote:Just lost to Hulkster in a PK after playing to a 0-0 draw after extra time. I outshot him 19-2 with Ivory Coast but Kasey Keller stood on his head and kept the USA in it. TOugh loss for the Cote d'Iveore team.

as comic book man would say.. i am the "worst.. WE9.. player.. ever".. if i can only get my shots down & not kick them a zillion miles high..
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Boltman wrote:
Feanor wrote:Super cancel is easier if you swap Black with Y. Then it's just right trigger plus the top face button.
but hitting Y for a through pass is so easy & natural with Y. I got many a pass by PK using Y.
Yeah, but you didn't get the W, BOBBY PIRES! :)

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Ok-played my first game. Now I did play about 4 games of WE8 one year ago so I'm sure that makes me a pro. Playing on 3* level-lost as the US to Costa Rica 1-0. I was out shoot 17-10 but only put 3 shots on goal. Of course I have no understanding of the rules of soccer. I did only pick up 10 fouls (1 yellow) to his 8. The option file looks pretty and its nice to have the real team names etc as I do recognize a few. Funny thing is I felt like I had some scoring chances which both ticked me off and fed my desire to play some more. I like it. Odds of me scoring before next Saturday????

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Ok-played my first game. Now I did play about 4 games of WE8 one year ago so I'm sure that makes me a pro. Playing on 3* level-20 min-lost as the US to Costa Rica 1-0. I was out shoot 17-10 but only put 3 shots on goal. Of course I have no understanding of the rules of soccer. I did only pick up 10 fouls (1 yellow) to his 8. The option file looks pretty and its nice to have the real team names etc as I do recognize a few. Funny thing is I felt like I had some scoring chances which both ticked me off and fed my desire to play some more. I like it. Odds of me scoring before next Saturday????

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De ja vu!



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