360's Are Coming!

[CincyKid]

actually i have been considering a ps3 with baseball particulary mlb series in mind

FYI, No MLB for the PS3 this year.

PS3 may not even show up this year. That would probably be a better FYI.

LOL db....exactley

no i knew that which im fine with on both acounts if i choose to go that route...i would pick up a ps2 on the cheap and enjoy mlb the show 2006 when it came out as well as the next WE ...and wait on ps3 patiently now that the shine of the 360 graphical jump has worn off that wouldnt be so hard to do...afterall underneath all that graphical apeal there still has to be a game you actually enjoy and has the replay value that makes you feel you have invested well in it....

i dont have the time to go game from game nor do i even care to anymore too much else to enjoy in my life outside of gaming i would be pleased enough to just make the best of the time i set aside for it here n there nowadays

in the meantime i will give nba 2k6 360 some more play maybe find nhl 2k6 and give it a spin before making my final decision

[sportdan30]

For me, I was definitely apprehensive about the 360 initially. Especially after playing Madden. However, NBA 2K6 is a system seller for me. By far. I traded in some old Xbox games the other day and picked up CH for the Xbox. I couldn't believe the graphical leap from CH to NBA 2K6 on the 360. It was night and day. I'm finding it extremely difficult to play CH now.

There are other games I would purchase if the prices were a bit cheaper. However, I'm being a lot more conservative this go around with the games I buy.

[bdunn13]

Speaking of which, I thought that Microsoft was going to concentrate on the top xbox sellers to make compatible with the 360. If i am not mistaken, NCAA and Madden were top sellers, but neither of these games - or much of any Xbox sports games - are compatible yet. You would think that MVP - with 720P out of the box, would be an easy one to make compatible.

The issue is not about the resolution...it's the fact that the underlying components of the 360 are vastly different from that of the original Xbox. You have a single intel celeron based processor with a nvidia graphics card on the Xbox and now you've got a ibm based processor with three cores and an ati graphics board. It's so different it's not even funny. That's why you need to essentially download emulator software when you play games with backwards compatibility.

Correct. All of the xbox games will have to run under an emulator on the 360. Exactly like NES games on the PSP, PC ect. These things have been in development for years and are still not perfect. Although, MS does know exactly what needs to be done to make them run.

[bdunn13]

FYI - I stopped by Walmart tonight while looking for a Christmas tree just to see if they had any 360s. I did not see any but I saw 4 HDs and bought them all. So, MS is shipping some new stuff out for sure. I will throw the HDs up on ebay later as they seem to be going for 150+.

[dbdynsty25]

FYI - I stopped by Walmart tonight while looking for a Christmas tree just to see if they had any 360s. I did not see any but I saw 4 HDs and bought them all. So, MS is shipping some new stuff out for sure. I will throw the HDs up on ebay later as they seem to be going for 150+.

LOL...yeah...I was lucky to find ONE in an EB Games out here. They were over 200 at that time last week.

[JRod]

I didn't even bother looking. Like every other game release, the boards light up when a game or system is found.

I dont' know when we'll see the 360. Like I said before MS runs the risk of not meeting demand. While that is good in the early stages of a release but if it lasts too long you lose customers.

Plus I'm having a great time with NCAA football. I know once the 360 gets here I probably won't play many xbox games. So it's not the worst thing to not have a 360. I save $500 bucks and give some of my games more time.

[Sport73]

FYI - I stopped by Walmart tonight while looking for a Christmas tree just to see if they had any 360s. I did not see any but I saw 4 HDs and bought them all. So, MS is shipping some new stuff out for sure. I will throw the HDs up on ebay later as they seem to be going for 150+.

And thus is the reason why no honest person will find an XBox 360 at retail. Minimum wage store employees know enough to buy up or secretly sell off the systems before they ever hit the shelf for a little extra 'profit'.

I'm usually all for profiteering, but in a situation like this where scarcity is creating a crazy exaggerated market, I wish Microsoft would dump 1 million units on the market just to screw all the people on eBay. If you really need the extra money that can be made trading in 360's, more power to you. If you really don't need it, how about trying the "CHRISTMAS SPIRIT" and giving the system to a desperate kid or even an adult gamer who really wants a system?

That's what I plan to do if I find one/several. Granted, I kept mine...

[jimd]

For what it's worth:

Was inTarget this aftrenoon and asked the kid in electronics about the 360s and he said they are "supposed to get some the Tuesday before Christmas."

Word,
JD

[bdunn13]

FYI - I stopped by Walmart tonight while looking for a Christmas tree just to see if they had any 360s. I did not see any but I saw 4 HDs and bought them all. So, MS is shipping some new stuff out for sure. I will throw the HDs up on ebay later as they seem to be going for 150+.

And thus is the reason why no honest person will find an XBox 360 at retail. Minimum wage store employees know enough to buy up or secretly sell off the systems before they ever hit the shelf for a little extra 'profit'.

I'm usually all for profiteering, but in a situation like this where scarcity is creating a crazy exaggerated market, I wish Microsoft would dump 1 million units on the market just to screw all the people on eBay. If you really need the extra money that can be made trading in 360's, more power to you. If you really don't need it, how about trying the "CHRISTMAS SPIRIT" and giving the system to a desperate kid or even an adult gamer who really wants a system?

That's what I plan to do if I find one/several. Granted, I kept mine...

I had the Christmas spirit last week as now there are 4 people on ebay that now have a 360 thanks to me. Anyone could have a 360 now that wanted one by either a. thinking ahead or b. paying the balance between supply and demand.

Walmart has alot of food, but I don't see them giving it away at their cost. No one is going to die over not having a 360 now. Plus, MS is helping me pay for my Christmas.

[mixdj1]

Walmart has alot of food, but I don't see them giving it away at their cost.

No, but you also don't see some guy that can afford to buying all of the food out of Walmart and then putting it up on ebay so people have to bid for it instead of but it at retail price. (yes, I realize there is a huge supply of food and that couldn't easily be done but hopefully you get my point) I just feel fair market price should be determined by supply and demand in the retail market instead of by profiteering people buying up everything they can get so there is no local supply and people truly interested in the product have to go to ebay.

If I had managed to find a core unit and went to buy a hard drive and I couldn't get one because the guy in front of me purchased all that the store had to put up on ebay I'd be very temped to punch him in the face. And that's saying something because anybody that knows me would say I'm a pacifist but this whole situation has me really pissed. And who the f*** are these people that are paying $600 for a core and $800 - $1000 for a premium. They need a good punch in the face too for encouraging the ebayers that are buying up all the stock as soon as it's available.

I have a feeling if all the units put up on ebay were left in the retail market there wouldn't have been that many people without a system that really wanted one.

[Leebo33]

I would much rather see retailers or manufacturers make the money than the average profiteering Ebayer. I feel the same way about concert tickets. I really have no problem with bands charging $250-300 or more for tickets. I'd rather see them get the money than some scalper. However, I don't blame people for doing it if they need the money though. I've saved money buying stuff on Ebay myself and if it helps someone feed their family or put clothes on their back then I guess all is good.

[bdunn13]

"I have a feeling if all the units put up on ebay were left in the retail market there wouldn't have been that many people without a system that really wanted one."


There would be exactly the same number of people wanting one. You act as if when someone buys a unit to sell for a profit they are not giving the unit to someone that wants it or they are completely removing it from the marketplace. Neither is the case.

" I just feel fair market price should be determined by supply and demand in the retail market instead of by profiteering people buying up everything they can get so there is no local supply and people truly interested in the product have to go to ebay. "

It is determined by supply and demand but its occuring on ebay. If there were no ebay, there would still be no local supply.

This is no different than EB, GS ect making you buy a freaking bundle.

[bdunn13]

However, I don't blame people for doing it if they need the money though. I've saved money buying stuff on Ebay myself and if it helps someone feed their family or put clothes on their back then I guess all is good.

LOL - I am a computer programmer - and was let go by a Air Force contractor a couple of weeks ago due to gov cutbacks. Dec is not a good time to look for a job even though these people keep calling me about one. I don't plan on looking for a job seriously until January and I don't want to dip into my savings. So for now, xbox 360 hunting, selling and planning ahead from way back in May when everyone and their mom could have ordered one is my job.

[mixdj1]

"I have a feeling if all the units put up on ebay were left in the retail market there wouldn't have been that many people without a system that really wanted one."


There would be exactly the same number of people wanting one. You act as if when someone buys a unit to sell for a profit they are not giving the unit to someone that wants it or they are completely removing it from the marketplace. Neither is the case.

" I just feel fair market price should be determined by supply and demand in the retail market instead of by profiteering people buying up everything they can get so there is no local supply and people truly interested in the product have to go to ebay. "

It is determined by supply and demand but its occuring on ebay. If there were no ebay, there would still be no local supply.

This is no different than EB, GS ect making you buy a freaking bundle.

I have a different opinion. I think that ebay is perpetuating the problem. Practically every ad on ebay says something like "sold out until next march" etc which causes unknowing parents to bid $1000 for the thing which encourages more people to go buy all the systems they can find and put them on ebay so next week they can sell it for $1100 rinse and repeat.

Also, when I've been to the stores around here they've been like "you're the 10th person to ask me that today" not "you're the 378th person to ask me that today." So the people that have "64 systems on hand and ready to ship" on ebay took more than 6 days worth of demand from one store. Plus there wouldn't be this much demand if you didn't see news stories about systems selling for $1000 on ebay and reporters quoting ebay ads saying "sold out till march."

There's no way I'm going to spend $1000 on ebay for a system. I don't need one that bad and I have more common sense than that. I just believe if all this false "not available until next year so you better pay $1000 on ebay if you want one" crap has caused people to buy up all the availabe product and sell it to parents on ebay that just don't know any better.

[pk500]

I didn't even bother looking. Like every other game release, the boards light up when a game or system is found.

I dont' know when we'll see the 360. Like I said before MS runs the risk of not meeting demand. While that is good in the early stages of a release but if it lasts too long you lose customers.

Plus I'm having a great time with NCAA football. I know once the 360 gets here I probably won't play many xbox games. So it's not the worst thing to not have a 360. I save $500 bucks and give some of my games more time.

And plus you're the newest ace at Operation Flashpoint, JRod. Man, that was a hell of a lot of fun last night. I still smile when I think of you absolutely torching that base from the chopper with the rockets. All we needed was the John Philip Sousa music, and it was the Fourth of July!

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

Walmart has alot of food, but I don't see them giving it away at their cost.

No, but you also don't see some guy that can afford to buying all of the food out of Walmart and then putting it up on ebay so people have to bid for it instead of but it at retail price. (yes, I realize there is a huge supply of food and that couldn't easily be done but hopefully you get my point) I just feel fair market price should be determined by supply and demand in the retail market instead of by profiteering people buying up everything they can get so there is no local supply and people truly interested in the product have to go to ebay.

If I had managed to find a core unit and went to buy a hard drive and I couldn't get one because the guy in front of me purchased all that the store had to put up on ebay I'd be very temped to punch him in the face. And that's saying something because anybody that knows me would say I'm a pacifist but this whole situation has me really pissed. And who the f*** are these people that are paying $600 for a core and $800 - $1000 for a premium. They need a good punch in the face too for encouraging the ebayers that are buying up all the stock as soon as it's available.

I have a feeling if all the units put up on ebay were left in the retail market there wouldn't have been that many people without a system that really wanted one.

Couldn't disagree more. It's called supply and demand.

I'm assuming that these Xbox 360s aren't just dropping into BDunn's lap. Either he pre-ordered them -- smart move by him that is worthy of reward -- or he is looking around like a mother to find them.

So why shouldn't he profit?

Jesus H. Christ, it's not like we're talking about the last dose of polio vaccine here pre-Jonas Salk. It's a f*cking videogame system. If you didn't get it, you'll live.

But to criticize a guy who is profiting legally from an auction system for a blazing hot product is just silly, especially a guy who lost his job. If I could get my mitts on four 360s right now, I'd sell them for the absolutely maximum profit I could without making fraudulent claims in my listing. And I'm employed full time.

We're not talking earthquake relief or charity fraud here, fellas. This is a discretionary income purchase that none of us HAVE to have.

Rock on, BDunn. I hope you make a killing.

Take care,
PK

[Danimal]

FYI - I stopped by Walmart tonight while looking for a Christmas tree just to see if they had any 360s. I did not see any but I saw 4 HDs and bought them all. So, MS is shipping some new stuff out for sure. I will throw the HDs up on ebay later as they seem to be going for 150+.

Are they really selling for that much, I saw like 10 of them today in the stores I was at.

[mixdj1]

Couldn't disagree more. It's called supply and demand.

...

But to criticize a guy who is profiting legally from an auction system for a blazing hot product is just silly, especially a guy who lost his job. If I could get my mitts on four 360s right now, I'd sell them for the absolutely maximum profit I could without making fraudulent claims in my listing. And I'm employed full time.

You can see my follow up post about the supply and demand and how I think it is exaggerated by ebay and some of the seller's tactics and gullible parents. And I didn't know he was out of a job and surviving on ebay when I made the harsh comments. That's totally different from most of the guys selling them on ebay.

Obviously the fact that most of the people I know have a system and I don't has colored my opinion and coming on here and seeing people gushing about the system and bragging about the killing they're making on ebay isn't improving my mood so I guess I just need to take a break. I'll see you guys online when I manage to find a system. Sorry if I upset anyone.

[bdunn13]

Danimal,

I have been watching a few HD auctions tonight and they seem to be going from 120-160. Anything less than 120 isn't really worth the time to sell.


mixdj,

You are entitled to your opinion but making money is how this world works. I don't know if you said or not, but what was the reason you did not preorder the 360 back in May?

[Leebo33]

and bragging about the killing they're making on ebay isn't improving my mood so I guess I just need to take a break. I'll see you guys online when I manage to find a system. Sorry if I upset anyone.

I can see where you are coming from. It's tough to call or visit stores in your spare time every day, read about how these hardcore gamers are making a killing selling extra systems, and then continually be reminded about how big of a dumb f*ck you were for not pre-ordering. It's totally fine to be selling systems and making profit, but I'd probably be more low key about bragging about it on a videogame message board where there are a lot of people still searching for systems. I like it better when the people that I'm competing against to find one are nameless and faceless Ebay profiteers than people I "know." I know it's not medicine or anything else important like that. It's frustration more than anything else. I think it would bother me less if I didn't have to come here and read about it. I'll be back when I get a 360.

[pk500]

Mix, Leebo:

You guys honestly are going to avoid this forum, and all of the relationships you've made here, all because you don't have a certain toy yet but other kids in the sandbox do?

I'm not trying to be some kind of moralist here. Hell, I'm damn near amoral at times. But aren't the people of DSP more important than the material objects we like to buy? Aren't the people the reason we come here?

Help me out on this one, fellas. I must be missing something.

Take care,
PK

[matthewk]

mixdj,

You are entitled to your opinion but making money is how this world works. I don't know if you said or not, but what was the reason you did not preorder the 360 back in May?

Yes this how capitalism works. Sad but true. You have the right to hoard all you can find and make a profit on Ebay. People like me have the right to think you're an a-hole for doing so. By doing so, half of that goes towards the action itself, but the other half is for coming here and rubbing it others faces.

Just one more reason I'm glad I don't want a 360 yet. By the time I get one, the console will be $350 or less, the accessories will be in great supply, and a bunch of first-gen games will be $30.

[MizzouRah]

Mix, Leebo:

You guys honestly are going to avoid this forum, and all of the relationships you've made here, all because you don't have a certain toy yet but other kids in the sandbox do?

I'm not trying to be some kind of moralist here. Hell, I'm damn near amoral at times. But aren't the people of DSP more important than the material objects we like to buy? Aren't the people the reason we come here?

Help me out on this one, fellas. I must be missing something.

Take care,
PK

I agree with you PK. I don't really care about the 360 much at all, so maybe that's why it doesn't bother me one bit, but to leave a message board because those who have one are loving it and some are making profits on it, is kind of childish, imo.

You guys will find one, they'll have them on shelves soon enough.

[pk500]

For guys who are ripping BDunn for "rubbing it in our faces," consider his situation. He's unemployed, and he's just made some nice money for himself for the holidays, maybe even to help with costs for buying gifts for others.

I'd be pretty stoked, too.

Now, if he was employed, especially in a well-paying job, and came in her with that bravado, I'd cast a dismissing eye, too. But cut the dude some slack because of his situation. I don't think he's going to give us a sale-by-sale account from here on in.

Take care,
PK

[laurenskye]

I think MS is truly blowing it. I know my wife and her entire female clan finished all thier Xmas shopping this weekend, as they do every year. I think alot of mothers do this each year, finish their shopping the first 2 weekends after Thanksgiving. That's a hell of a lot of potential sales lost, even if little Johny is screaming for one his mother's shopping is done. She's looked for 2 weeks and is not going back to the stores. Especially with the responses she was getting when inquiring when more will arrive ("no idea, March, they were supposed to be here Friday...)