the rout is on

krustylew · Post by **krustylew** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:43 pm

Parker wrote:Yah, but the smart money would say Ortiz has a better chance of staying hot.

Yah, but would you like to back that statement up with any facts.

Is Vegas running a line that says

Most Likely to stay hot:

D. Ortiz 1:5
C. Beltran 2:1
H. Matsui 5:1
A. Jolie 10:1

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:48 pm

krustylew wrote:
Parker wrote:Yah, but the smart money would say Ortiz has a better chance of staying hot.
Yah, but would you like to back that statement up with any facts.

Is Vegas running a line that says

Most Likely to stay hot:

D. Ortiz 1:5
C. Beltran 2:1
H. Matsui 5:1
A. Jolie 10:1

well...it is VEGAS

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:21 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
Parker wrote:Plus I think Beltran benefits from batting 2nd in the order. You can't exactly be too careful with him with the hitters ahead of him and no one expected him to be quite this hot in the playoffs. Everyone is pitching very carefully to Ortiz and he still is winning games.
Wait a min...I thought Boston had the most potent lineup in baseball? If that's the case it shouldn't matter where a hitter bats. He's going to have protection in front and behind him.

You're a walking contradiction Parker. Make up your damn mind.

Get real, even in the most potent lineup, pitchers are not going to pitch the same to a 2nd hole hitter as a cleanup guy. You can only drive in so many runs from the 2nd place, particularly in the 1st inning.

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:25 pm

krustylew wrote:
Parker wrote:Yah, but the smart money would say Ortiz has a better chance of staying hot.
Yah, but would you like to back that statement up with any facts.

Is Vegas running a line that says

Most Likely to stay hot:

D. Ortiz 1:5
C. Beltran 2:1
H. Matsui 5:1
A. Jolie 10:1

Facts? Even db noted that Beltran not the most consistent hitter this year and has yet to quite show this consistency to be considered a premiere hitter yet.

I think looking at what a player has done during the season as well as the playoffs so far can be used to determine who is most likely to stay hot. Beltran was far more of a streaky hitter than Ortiz was this year, and Ortiz was the better overall hitter anyway (just check their season stats) and a stronger MVP candidate. Stats may not equal facts in your book, but it's a better method than pulling things out of your as* like you tend to do.

krustylew · Post by **krustylew** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:32 pm

Parker wrote: Stats may not equal facts in your book, but it's a better method than pulling things out of your as* like you tend to do.

Ha, very funny! If you will notice every case I have made in this subject has been loaded with facts. Of course you may not have noticed since you tend to ignore most of them when they shatter to pieces you little illusions.

Nice try.

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:34 pm

Ya right. Your idea of facts are how the Red Sox lost to the Yankees 5 years ago, which is obviously very relevant to this year's teams. My facts can actually be used to make conclusions about this season's playoff teams.

krustylew · Post by **krustylew** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:45 pm

Parker wrote:Ya right. Your idea of facts are how the Red Sox lost to the Yankees 5 years ago, which is obviously very relevant to this year's teams. My facts can actually be used to make conclusions about this season's playoff teams.

f***in moron. You can't even get your arguments straight.

You tried to say that money = wins. I proved that you know s*** on that subject.

You tried to say that the Red Sox are somehow different than the Yankees even though they had the second highest payroll in baseball. Again I, and others, make you look stupid.

And third, you said that Florida had a "dominant pitching staff last year and that was the reason they won the Series. Again I showed you, with facts, that you know s*** about baseball.

I'm getting tired of proving how ignorant you really are.

tsunami · Post by **tsunami** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:50 pm

Parker wrote:Ya right. Your idea of facts are how the Red Sox lost to the Yankees 5 years ago, which is obviously very relevant to this year's teams. My facts can actually be used to make conclusions about this season's playoff teams.

Here are some facts about Carlos Beltran:

In the NLCS, he's hitting .538 (7-for-13) and slugging 1.538. Since the postseason began, he's hitting .486 (17-for-35) and slugging 1.257, with 17 runs scored, one shy of Barry Bonds' record for most in a single postseason. When Beltran has put the ball in play in this postseason, he has spewed out more extra-base hits (11) than outs (10).

And, he's actually playing the field! I'd like to see Ortiz put up numbers while playing 150+ games in the field. The guy can barely run around the bases as it is.

And, he's also doing this from the number 2 spot, which as you pointed out is not in a run producing position of the lineup. Beltran is benefitting from hitting in the number 2 spot? You think the Cardinals want to pitch to him even if he was hitting in the 9 hole?

He has also had to change leagues mid season and adjust to a whole different set of pitchers. You think that doesn't make a difference?

So, if stats can be used to determine who the better players and teams are, why did you insist that the Red Sox were the better team going in even though they had the worse record (you know, the all important stat of W-L)? And, why do still think the Red Sox are the better team when they are getting dominated in most statistical categories right now? Why would you make the logical conclusion that they will win when the stats are proving otherwise?

krustylew · Post by **krustylew** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:05 pm

I think looking at what a player has done during the season as well as the playoffs so far can be used to determine who is most likely to stay hot. .

Of course, just because you think it, doesn't make it so.

Didn't work for Barry Bonds most of his career, or Bucky Dent in 1978, David Ortiz last season, Jeffery Leonard in 1987, Eddie Perez in 1999, Sterling Hitchcock in 1998, Mike Deveaux in 1995, Craig Counsell or Mark Lemke.

I can find more facts that disprove your theories if you would like.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:12 pm

Arguing with Parker/Resin/Lord only knows how many more screennames/ - Worthless

Realizing that he is making these outrageous claims just for shits and giggles and knows that his Red Sox have no shot - Theraputic

Watching the Boston Red Sox lose yet another series to the Yankees - Validation

Seeing "Red Sox SUPERFAN" Ben Affleck proudly displaying his Boston Red Sox "Wild Card Champion hat" knowing that will be the last Red Sox (cough)championship(/cough) hat he will get this year. - Priceless

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:44 pm

Brent,
You are the king of obscure pictures man. Keep em coming.

Airdog · Post by **Airdog** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:22 pm

This must be why they won:

http://mfile.akamai.com/7964/wmv/vod.ib ... 0.200k.asx

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:27 pm

Anyone that buys a hat that says anything other than World Series Champion is a d*uchebag...that's all there is to it.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:47 pm

I can understand a Division champs or Conference Champs hat, especially if a team has a not-so-successful past. Like when the Colts won their first non-strike-year division, I got a hat. Hell, I never knew if they'd do it again.

But hey, the Sox sure have fun partying over the Wild Card, might as well buy the hat and join in on the fun.

seanmac31 · Post by **seanmac31** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:17 pm

Derek. Jeter.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:19 pm

LOL...then A-Rod gets plunked. Nice. Bye Bye Boston.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:25 pm

I really wish David Ortiz could have started playing this way about three years ago...

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:26 pm

bdoughty wrote:Arguing with Parker/Resin/Lord only knows how many more screennames/ - Worthless

Realizing that he is making these outrageous claims just for s***s and giggles and knows that his Red Sox have no shot - Theraputic

Watching the Boston Red Sox lose yet another series to the Yankees - Validation

Seeing "Red Sox SUPERFAN" Ben Affleck proudly displaying his Boston Red Sox "Wild Card Champion hat" knowing that will be the last Red Sox (cough)championship(/cough) hat he will get this year. - Priceless

Post of the thread.

"In the NLCS, he's hitting .538 (7-for-13) and slugging 1.538. Since the postseason began, he's hitting .486 (17-for-35) and slugging 1.257, with 17 runs scored, one shy of Barry Bonds' record for most in a single postseason. When Beltran has put the ball in play in this postseason, he has spewed out more extra-base hits (11) than outs (10). "

Wow!! No one compares to Beltran this post season. NO ONE.

Parker your question " Who out of the hitters left in these playoffs would you rather have up in a clutch situation? "

Again......Beltran. If he was with the Red Sox,you would want to have his midget.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:04 pm

WOW...

Give the Sox some credit, I hope they force a game 7.

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:04 pm

"Again......Beltran. If he was with the Red Sox,you would want to have his midget."

I assume you will be changing your mind now. Beltran stinks tonight and Ortiz now has 3 game winning hits in this postseason. Nothing compares to that in the least.

No one can stop us. Fate as well as stats are on our side. Schilling will dominate and Lieber and will pitch like he is supposed to.

Sorry for the wasted champagne again skanks, but there was no way we were going to let you celebrate here.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:05 pm

If somehow the RedSox come back from 3-0 in a best of 7 and win this, this would have to be the biggest choke job in all of sports history. All of Boston's choke's through history added up wouldn't match this if the Yankees do choke. Big IF.

No Bullpen's left either side for game 6.

TheFormerBrett44 · Post by **TheFormerBrett44** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:09 pm

The Red Sox are like cockroaches...good game although the wrong team won.

I really wanted the Yanks to finish them off in Boston, it'll be good to close them out in the Bronx again though. I wonder if Gimpling will be able to last more than a few innings...I highly doubt it. I expect the Yankees to win game 6 going away tomorrow night.

f***in' Ortiz...

One last question, if you give up on your team like Parker, Sports Guy Simmons, Bob Ryan, are you allowed to jump right back on the bandwagon or are you suspended for a week until you can be a fan again?

Brett

Slumberland · Post by **Slumberland** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:10 pm

That was really fun to watch. I'm excited to see what Schilling has. Great drama.

Ortiz may not be the best, but he's certainly larger than life right now.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:21 pm

That's the thing, the Sox are barely hanging on and they have to rely on an injured, old pitcher.

Yanks had a frustrating game, leaving so many on base. Not likely they will miss those chances again.

seanmac31 · Post by **seanmac31** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:26 pm

All credit to the Red Sox- that's a pair of back to back clutch wins. You can see some of the reasons why the Red Sox were a trendy pick, as a few of the Yankee weaknesses are coming through. For my part, as soon as Rivera was out of the game, I had no confidence that the Yankees could win the game, and I was frankly surprised they were able to extend it as long as they have. The substitution of Tony Clark for Olerud also created a dead spot in the lineup, making it easier to deal with the back end.

It's hard to know what the hell to expect for the next two games, as both pitching staffs are completely fried. With Rivera and Foulke both having pitched multiple innings on back to back games, they are both effectively gone for tomorrow night. They could maybe come in for a batter, possibly two, but that's about it. Both teams are in a position where they need their starters to give them a minimum of seven innings. Right now you'd have to say Lieber is more likely to be able to do it than an injured Schilling.

And if we ever get to a game seven, you are talking about the weirdest collection of scrubby pitchers imaginable.