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Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:29 pm

Ok Holy f***in Hell. What an episode, just when I think this show can't get anymore WTF is going on it just blows my mind.

I kept saying the whole episode something was creepy about that Ethan guy. An when are we going to get let in on what is going on with Locke.

Good God, run this show every night please, best TV I have seen in a long time

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:00 am

I didn't read this, but I'm super annoyed with my local broadcasting channel. Instead of lost, the local ABC channel had the Iowa/Northern Iowa women's basketball game on in prime time. They do that kind of crap all the time here. Luckily, they're going to run this episode on Sunday afternoon, so I don't have to drive to the station and kill someone.

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:15 pm

What's klling me is ABC's shady strategy of making the show go until 9:01 or 9:02. For me that means, either miss the last minute of Lost, which of course is usually some huge revelation of some kind, or miss the first 5-minutes of West Wing, as the TiVo will only allow manual recording times to be set in 5 minute intervals. Not to mention I have to remember to manually schedule Lost, since that one-mintue overlap cancels its recording in the season pass.

Anyway, I assume it was that Ethan who was the one not on the manifest? I wasn't sure if it was him (first time I remember seeing him was this episode, that was a bit of a clue, not to mention he never got Jack to help out the preggers chick) or Locke, (the survivalist dude, is that his name?). Hurley (is that his name? You know, stay-pufft) was all, 'there was one who wasn't on the manifest, it's. . .' and then - POP - "delete this show now; do not delete." Uurrrgh. I mean it was a classic, "and the killer is . . . see you next week!"

The cliches are really starting to add up here, I mean that whole psychic angle was a little thin I thought. Charlie just mentions 'maybe he knew,' and she's all 'He knew! That's the answer, he knew all along! There never was a family in LA!' I mean, show a least a shred of skepticism, no?

But I'm still sucked in. Enough of the characters are compelling enough to keep me interested. Though I'm really tiring of the bitchy blond sister of the heart-of-gold kid.

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:25 pm

Emilie de Ravin who plays the pregnant Aussie chick Claire must really like scifi/suspense/horror tv series. First she was in Beastmaster, then Roswell, as well as a remake of Steven King's Carrie. I hope we don't see reruns of a cancelled Lost on the scifi channel next year like those other shows. For whatever reason, it seems to have more mainstream appeal though.

I don't remember de Ravin being this hot though...must be the hairstyle.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:28 pm

Zeppo wrote:What's klling me is ABC's shady strategy of making the show go until 9:01 or 9:02. For me that means, either miss the last minute of Lost, which of course is usually some huge revelation of some kind, or miss the first 5-minutes of West Wing, as the TiVo will only allow manual recording times to be set in 5 minute intervals. Not to mention I have to remember to manually schedule Lost, since that one-mintue overlap cancels its recording in the season pass.

Not sure I understand your dilema, I record both those shows with no problem. I do have a dual tuner Direct TV Tivo DVR though.

Anyway, I assume it was that Ethan who was the one not on the manifest? I wasn't sure if it was him (first time I remember seeing him was this episode, that was a bit of a clue, not to mention he never got Jack to help out the preggers chick) or Locke, (the survivalist dude, is that his name?).

Yes it was Ethan, and actually since I have some of the old shows on Tivo, I checked and you do see him in the BG shots on some other episodes. If I recall this is what you missed:

Hurley says Ethan was not on the manifest.
Cut to Charlie and the Aussie chick waling up the path
Ethan - Hello
Charlie - Where is jack
Ethan - Stares with a disturbing look on his face at Aussie chicks tummy.
Roll Credits.

Hurley (is that his name? You know, stay-pufft) was all, 'there was one who wasn't on the manifest, it's. . .' and then - POP - "delete this show now; do not delete." Uurrrgh. I mean it was a classic, "and the killer is . . . see you next week!"

Heh, that sucks.

The cliches are really starting to add up here, I mean that whole psychic angle was a little thin I thought. Charlie just mentions 'maybe he knew,' and she's all 'He knew! That's the answer, he knew all along! There never was a family in LA!' I mean, show a least a shred of skepticism, no?

I didn't read it that way, she had a skeptical look as charlie was suggesting it, and then had a flashback to the Pshchic saying you have to go on this plane etc. So she put it together. Of course I suspend my disbelief for this show, you have to it is sci-fi.

But I'm still sucked in. Enough of the characters are compelling enough to keep me interested. Though I'm really tiring of the b*tchy blond sister of the heart-of-gold kid.

Next week is the last new episode for a month. Then ABC will run 3 weeks of double episode re-runs. Before it airs again with Alias following it on Jan 5th.

Meaning if you haven't watched this show and want to get in on it, this is your chance to catch up. They already draw 18 million a week, but with the buzz it has been getting the last month, I think they can bump those numbers with that strategy.

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:39 pm

Danimal wrote:
Zeppo wrote:What's klling me is ABC's shady strategy of making the show go until 9:01 or 9:02. For me that means, either miss the last minute of Lost, which of course is usually some huge revelation of some kind, or miss the first 5-minutes of West Wing, as the TiVo will only allow manual recording times to be set in 5 minute intervals. Not to mention I have to remember to manually schedule Lost, since that one-mintue overlap cancels its recording in the season pass.
Not sure I understand your dilema, I record both those shows with no problem. I do have a dual tuner Direct TV Tivo DVR though.

Yeah, it must be the dual-tuner that lets you do it. Basically, since Lost and West Wing technically overlap (with Lost running until 9:01 on the TiVo schedule), my machine will only automatically record the higher-priority season pass show. And I wouldn't mind missing the first one or two minutes of West Wing, but the TiVo will only allow me to manually set a time in 5-minute increments. So I end up missing the end of Lost every time. Sneaky ABC. And I've missed several episodes from forgetting to manually set it, also, so I'm not sure what they're trying to achieve with this.

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:41 pm

Lost can go to 9:59 for all that I care after they change to a Republican adminstration. The point of a tv show is to escape from reality, not to represent the horror show we all live in.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:10 pm

Parker wrote:Lost can go to 9:59 for all that I care after they change to a Republican adminstration. The point of a tv show is to escape from reality, not to represent the horror show we all live in.

Yet another feeble threadjack attempt by Parker. Please, no one take the bait.

Zeppo, that's too bad about your TiVo. I guess I can chalk one up for the dual-tuner TimeWarner DVR, as it records the extra minute of "Lost" automatically and allows manual recording at one-minute intervals.

Take care,
PK

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:07 pm

Lost just keeps getting better. It was fairly creepy last night. That Ethan dude scares me. Bring on next week.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:07 pm

The show is generating all kinds of theories. BTW, in case anyone doesn't know, www.thefuselage.com is associated with the official producers of the show. There is also driveshaft.com, after Charlie's fictional band. How meta it all is.

Anyways, a lot of these theories are either sci-fi or supernatural. The theories probably come from geeks who like those genres but Abrams has said there will be rational explanations for all this.

Some of the intriguing ideas are that there was a scientific expedition gone wrong (hence all the bears on the island) but as that French woman was alluding, there is some kind of mass psychosis going on which may have infected the companions of the French woman and maybe now it's gotten Locke.

Unfortunately, this last episode has people talking like this is a remake of the Omen and the baby is the antichrist. The psychic knew the plane was going to crash and the "Others" which the French woman referred to and of which Ethan is a member, wants to raise the baby ("Raised by Another" is the episode title and "Another" can be formed by an anagram of "Ethan Rom" or so some people say).

vader29 · Post by **vader29** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:16 pm

Did anyone else notice this? Locke's eyes in the first dream sequence with Claire, one of his eyes was black and the other white. I didn't catch this the first time but a buddy at work saw it and told me so I went back and watched it again. Jack found a black stone and a white stone in the cave in an earlier episode and put them in his pocket and nothing was said about them. Freaky stuff.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:39 am

vader29 wrote:Did anyone else notice this? Locke's eyes in the first dream sequence with Claire, one of his eyes was black and the other white. I didn't catch this the first time but a buddy at work saw it and told me so I went back and watched it again. Jack found a black stone and a white stone in the cave in an earlier episode and put them in his pocket and nothing was said about them. Freaky stuff.

There has been a black and white "reference" in every episode so far. nothing is every made about them in the show. But if you pay close attention you will see it every episode.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:13 pm

vader29 wrote:Did anyone else notice this? Locke's eyes in the first dream sequence with Claire, one of his eyes was black and the other white. I didn't catch this the first time but a buddy at work saw it and told me so I went back and watched it again. Jack found a black stone and a white stone in the cave in an earlier episode and put them in his pocket and nothing was said about them. Freaky stuff.

They looked like backgammon pieces.

Finally saw this last episode. Utterly awesome. They brought Sahid back a little late in the episode, but otherwise I was completely fished in. It is amazing how they have been able to dive into each character's past and make nearly every one interesting and believable. The only ep I didn't like was going back into the hobbit's past with Driveshaft and the heroin habit. A little to Behind-the-Music predictable. And I'm disappointed they haven't focused one show on Hurley, if only because he gets the best lines. But I am consistently impressed by the quality of the writing, acting, and production.

Rob81Lakes · Post by **Rob81Lakes** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:20 pm

Hurley had a lot more to say when he was alone and talking to Jack about the census. He came off a little too articulate. And since Hurley's not his real name...

Maybe there's more of a story there (ya think?).

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:06 pm

Yet another great episode! Son of bit@h I want to know what's under the steel Locke found. This show is some serious goodness.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:12 pm

I wonder if it's possible to implement spoiler tags on this forum.

Jared?

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:15 pm

wco81 wrote:I wonder if it's possible to implement spoiler tags on this forum.

Jared?

The very title of this thread warns of spoilers.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:01 am

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Ok they got me tonight. I totally though Charlie had bit the dust. I really did, I usually don't fall for that crap but I bit hook, line & sinker.

Nice info on Jack's backstory again, and pretty much why his father offed himself. Little info on Kate and of course the mystery of the island.

Something is just not right with Locke, I'm sure he must be in on something.

Overall another great episode I'd give it a 4.7 out of 5. Negative points for Kate all but disappearing when Jack was getting his ass kicked.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:07 am

Spoilers ahead for those of you who don't read subject lines.

Wasn't Ethan the name of the French lady's son? The one she said died?

Great episode, the backstory with Jack and his father was one of the best of the season. I agree with Dan, I don't know what the knife-wielding Kate was doing when Jack was getting womped on. Maybe she couldn't see Ethan? She acted like Jack just hit his head.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:50 am

I think the son's name was Alex.

Maybe they're purposely trying to be ambiguous, as if Jack is imagining things?

If the flashbacks would only illuminate why Jack didn't give up in his puruit and his resuscitation efforts.

Just wish they'd give more than minuscule dollops of the main plot. All that happened was that they verified that Ethan took them and threatened their lives if Jack pursued them. Oh and Locke finds a big steel thing.

We might find what that is in January since the next new ep. won't air until then.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:37 am

Very trippy episode, no doubt. I thought Charlie was a goner, too.

The steel box is intriguing, no doubt. But am I the only one who thinks it's possible that Ethan and his cohorts brainwashed Charlie into not remembering or seeing anything? Maybe it's not the shock of his experience that is causing him to be mute, and maybe Charlie will be some sort of mystical conduit between Ethan and the plane wreck survivors?

I know that's a pretty far-out hypothesis, but this is a pretty far-out -- and superb -- show!

Take care,
PK

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:56 am

It was a very trippy episode.

I don't share WCO's sentiments about the main plot advancing. The back story approach, IMO, has really separated this show from others. Now when you see any of the main characters, you really have a feel for them: their past, their personality, etc. It makes you really care about what happens to them. As evidenced by Charlie's fate last night -- I was going to be disappointed if he died, even though I recognize that would have more unconventional for a TV show.

At this point, I don't feel jerked around. They haven't dragged things out the way the X-Files did, season after season. We haven't had to endure any 24-style amnesia/nuclear survivalist/mountain lion subplots. I still think it will be hard to wrap things up in a satisfying way, but at least getting there has been really enjoyable.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:04 pm

I think the integration of the flashbacks are done well (although I'm not sure about the connection between Jack turning his father in and him going after Charlie and Claire) but you become aware of the pattern or formula, the sameness of it.

Seeing the pattern takes you out of the immersion of the story or at least distracts.

There could have been so much more exposition in this last episode. Never really got into Xfiles. You may be right though that if they try to go to too many places too fast, you get trapped the way 24 has, with all these subplots which strain credulity.

There was a story recently about the upcoming season of 24 and the producers admitted that they are writing the plot on the fly, so sometimes they get trapped in dead ends and have to come up with stuff. The mountain lion was one of those instances.

I guess even going into the 3rd season of 24, these serial shows are still trying to refine their plotting and dynamics. For one thing, these shows on networks seem more preoccupied with tying up loose ends at all costs whereas David Chase will flip the bird to the Sopranos fans by never mentioning the Russian again.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:17 pm

I was thinking about this today. What do you think of this theory about Lost.

I think the island gives people exactly what they want if the wish for it hard enough.

Examples:

Jack pretty much willed Charlie back to life. it wasn't the poudning of his chest, or the CPR. He wanted it bad enough so he got it.

Locke wants to walk, he gets it.

Kid wishes for a certain dice roll in backgammon and hits it on every role.

What do you think?

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:49 pm

I've just read that theory in another forum.

I think the show has drawn a lot of sci-fi/fantasy fans. One of the producers/writers used to work on Buffy/Angel, for instance.

So far, all the flashbacks have been pretty conventional, with not much hint of the supernatural or sci-fi.

There are theories also that they are in purgatory or that it's a bad science experiment gone wrong.

But Abrams, the guy in charge, supposedly said in an interview that all of the mysteries have a rational, plausible explanations.

So I would be disappointed if they had aliens or demons or mad scientists as the root cause of all these fantastic things which are happening or hinted at.

I mean they may take licenses with some things, like all those people surviving the plane crash. Or last night where Charlie should have brain damage from all the oxygen deprivation. But don't let this be a fantasy or sci-fi show. If I thought this was going to be another Xfiles, I'd stop watching.

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