OT: My final comments on the election

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:52 pm

You all may have been wondering what happened to me since the election. Well, I've been hard at work, compiling a well-thought out and detailed response to the outcome of the race. You can listen to my thoughts here:

http://home.kqnet.pt/timoteo/pum6.wav

2008 can't come soon enough.

ProvoAnC · Post by **ProvoAnC** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:34 pm

want some cheese with that whine

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:46 pm

Wow -- Parker and Al Franken have almost the identical idea of insightful commentary from the left.

Don't worry, Parker: We really all weren't waiting with baited breath for your commentary. But it's clear that your prognostication ability for baseball is better than it is for politics.

And I give you credit: You didn't bail on Kerry in here until after the election, unlike you did with the Red Sox after Game 3 of the ALCS.

Got that Hillary 2008 avatar ready yet?

Take care,
PK

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:14 pm

As much as I'd like to see another Boston liberal pummel Rudy in 2008 just like in college football, the democrats only chance is with a southern democrat with Kerry's experience. They better start looking now.

Of course, Giuliani is not exactly an ultra conservative, so it will be interesting to see what kind of deep south support he would get. Still, in the electoral college, a Republican from anywhere has a better chance than a Democrat from a liberal part of the country.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:34 pm

Rudy will not have a chance if he runs. No one gives a sh*t about him west of the Mississippi.

BTW, that's the smartest thing you've said in the 2 years you've been registered at DSP.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:42 pm

That's really weird. That soundbite is exactly how I always imagined you would sound.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:49 pm

ScoopBrady wrote:That's really weird. That soundbite is exactly how I always imagined you would sound.

Does he sound like Charlkes Nelson Riley?

Bill_Abner · Post by **Bill_Abner** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:00 pm

Parker wrote:As much as I'd like to see another Boston liberal pummel Rudy in 2008 just like in college football, the democrats only chance is with a southern democrat with Kerry's experience. They better start looking now.

Of course, Giuliani is not exactly an ultra conservative, so it will be interesting to see what kind of deep south support he would get. Still, in the electoral college, a Republican from anywhere has a better chance than a Democrat from a liberal part of the country.

Look for the Indiana senator Evan Bayh to make a serious run. He's from a deep red state, he's young, energetic, and both sides love the guy. He passed a tax cut in Indiana and he also supported the war, but he's more to the left on social issues.

If Hilary runs, she gets thumped IMO. The country is nowhere near ready for a woman or a guy like Obama, who I think is going to a strong force in the party down the road.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:05 pm

Bill_Abner wrote:Look for the Indiana senator Evan Bayh to make a serious run. He's from a deep red state, he's young, energetic, and both sides love the guy. He passed a tax cut in Indiana and he also supported the war, but he's more to the left on social issues.

If Hilary runs, she gets thumped IMO. The country is nowhere near ready for a woman or a guy like Obama, who I think is going to a strong force in the party down the road.

You sir have a future in the business.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:47 pm

Don't know that any Democrat could really win the South. They might poach a border state like Missouri once in awhile. Florida may be a tossup, especially if the migration from the northern states continue. It all depends on whether the GOP candidate or some issue excites the religious conservatives, as was the case this time.

Giuliani doesn't have anything sealed yet. Supposedly, there's interest in Frist and Santorum. Giuliani may have appeal in the blue states but it would depend on what he has to do to win the GOP primaries.

On the other side, there's mention of Bayh but can he really win Indiana, which seems solidly red?

EDIT: One reason the Democrats will always have difficulties in the Deep South is that they supported the Civil Rights movement. That started an alienation which culminated this year in more and more southern Democratic members of Congress being beaten.

It's been 40 years but there will always be resentment. Even people who weren't alive back then see the Confederacy as something to be proud of. You can't exactly try to win over this kind of voter if it means indulging their prejudices.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:13 pm

"Even people who weren't alive back then see the Confederacy as something to be proud of. You can't exactly try to win over this kind of voter if it means indulging their prejudices."

I'm as southern as they come...and that has to be the most idiotic thought process(if you can call it that) that I've ever seen in my life. If anything, southerners are among the most patriotic people in the country. This pathetic whining and commentary about something you obviously don't understand is getting really stale, wco. You've never heard me talk about "yankees" or "the War of Northern Aggression"(which is the way you'd have me frame it, isn't it...y'know, bein' from Alabamuh and all), or those damn black people who should be plowin' my field instead of being free. Why don't you talk about something you understand, and stop with the whine and cheese?

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:18 pm

So there are no Confederate-flag waving people down there right?

Absolutely no resentment about the Civil Rights Act? Or affirmative action?

Blacks and whites aren't living in separate communities down there?

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:25 pm

sf_z wrote:Maybe if Dale Jr. drove a blue car

I can't stop laughing at that line. Classic!

Take care,
PK

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:34 pm

"So there are no Confederate-flag waving people down there right?

Absolutely no resentment about the Civil Rights Act? Or affirmative action?

Blacks and whites aren't living in separate communities down there?"

If I told you there was at least one, would that satisfy your craving to be right?

Blacks and whites living in separate communities?

Maybe in Selma, but in my neighborhood, I have black neighbors next door and in at least 4 more houses on the culdesac. You know the most amazing part? I don't have a rebel flag in my yard and electric barb wire fencing around it. And I have YET to see one burning cross in any of their yards. Sorry to disappoint you, wco...

You know what's really sick? What the libs tried to do with Amendment 2 here in Alabama. We had an amendment that was attempting to strike segregationist language from an outdated state constitution. In another striking blow to wco's fantasyland interpretation, it had wide, bipartisan support, but in the closing stages of the bill, the libs stuck a blank check, back door tax increase into the bill, and we had no choice but to vote it down. All so they could try to put conservatives over a barrel. Well, it was defeated, and a republican senator immediately put a new version of the bill into play, that included language that forbid any pork barreling, and it is expected to pass overwhelmingly.

Wco, do you know the only thing that really gets a southerner's dander up? A yankee with a stereotypical viewpoint of the South...especially one who thinks everone else wants to hear it...

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:35 pm

I didn't label all Southerners racists.

But there's a certain threshold which have increasingly become alienated from the Democrats over the years. Because of the Civil Rights Act among other things.

The Republicans beginning with Nixon understand this. Black-white relations wasn't as big this election as it was say in 1988. But it's always there in the background and it's just one reason why the hurdle is high for the Democrats down there.

Has Bob Jones changed their policies? Wasn't it only 4 years ago that McCain was smeared as having black children?

Pure and simple, a certain segment of the GOP support down there is based on racism.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:47 pm

"Pure and simple, a certain segment of the GOP support down there is based on racism."

to steal a line from PK(directed at me, if memory serves):
"and if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle."

All of the older people I know down here that are still yellow dog Democrats are the ones who refer to blacks as (apologies to every person of color, I'm just quoting) "porch monkeys" and refer, with no thought whatsoever, to this day, to blacks as "nigg**s". Bunching that attitude in a smarmy little package and labeling it "GOP" is ridiculous and unwarranted. I said it before and I'll say it again. Grow up and learn to use facts instead of ages old stereotype arguments, and I'll talk with you. Keep this up and all you'll here is the sound of crickets and any other pathetic loser who happens to agree with you on this point.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:58 pm

wco81 wrote:Blacks and whites aren't living in separate communities down there?

I live in a "Blue" state and that is true here. In Harrisburg alone there is the East shore and the "White" shore (of the Susquehanna River). Before you call me a racist too, I happen to live on the East shore in a multi-cultural development and we have 3 gay couples

TRI · Post by **TRI** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:02 pm

wco81 wrote:Don't know that any Democrat could really win the South. They might poach a border state like Missouri once in awhile. Florida may be a tossup, especially if the migration from the northern states continue. It all depends on whether the GOP candidate or some issue excites the religious conservatives, as was the case this time.

Giuliani doesn't have anything sealed yet. Supposedly, there's interest in Frist and Santorum. Giuliani may have appeal in the blue states but it would depend on what he has to do to win the GOP primaries.

On the other side, there's mention of Bayh but can he really win Indiana, which seems solidly red?

EDIT: One reason the Democrats will always have difficulties in the Deep South is that they supported the Civil Rights movement. That started an alienation which culminated this year in more and more southern Democratic members of Congress being beaten.

It's been 40 years but there will always be resentment. Even people who weren't alive back then see the Confederacy as something to be proud of. You can't exactly try to win over this kind of voter if it means indulging their prejudices.

I live in the south and I love ALL people unconditionally regardless of their of skin color, race, sex, sexual orientation etc. Like most places, there may be hateful racist people in the south, but most are kind, loving polite, patriotic people.

ProvoAnC · Post by **ProvoAnC** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:18 pm

I lived in Milwaukee for 5 years and that is by far the most segregated city I have ever been in. That bridge joke...is no joke. The south side is all Mexican and the north Black. More accurately 30 blocks north and south of the valley. I liked living in MILW and had a lot of fun, but it is definitely divided.[/i]

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:46 pm

You guys again miss the boat...

The racial differences are on the rise again. White flight isn't just in northen or sourthern cities its happening all over the country. Suburbia is becoming Whitopia and this melting pot called america has been left too long on the stove with the heat turned up but with no one to stir.

Second did you guys ever see any of Bushs rallies aside from the token black guy standing behind the president, his rallies consisted of mostly whites.

Now you have to ask the question why do Whites love Bush so much?

But this isn't the Republicans fault. They pride themselves in being seperatists. The pride themselves in being for big business. And for leading us down the slippery slope where the rational part of America is replaced by blind faith. And they make no apologies for anything.

The democrats have never stepped up to try a court hispanics, asians, or Black voters probably since the 60s. Clinton did what he needed to do but the party hasn't.

Either way what's scary is that you can detemine who voted for Kerry and Bush just based upon the color of their skin. That's not recial discrimination but that says a lot about the state of this country.

azmark · Post by **azmark** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:06 am

Grrr...sad to admit it, but the most racist vote taken last week was Prop 200 here in Arizona. Both our Senators were against it and I should add both are Republicans. Our governor was against it also...not a huge fan of her, but that is a local issue. Anyway, what is going to happen here in Arizona is this...any hispanic who wants to vote will have to show proof of citizenship. Any hispanic who wants health care will have to show proof of citizenship. According to the way I read the proposition, any one who votes, or who needs care will need to show proof , but I doubt that I will be asked for proof.
If I was hispanic decent, then I might have to.

Not to ramble on here, but I have a lot of Latinos and Hispanic people where I work and it really pisses me off that they will have to ..in the future show proof of citizenship ...just to get basic rights. On a final note, there has been at least 100 people who have died this year trying to cross the Arizona border.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:15 am

"Chief Bush strategist Matthew Dowd said exit polling revealed that Bush won 42 percent of the Hispanic vote this year, up from 35 percent in 2000."