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Supposedly delivered by a member of Team America near the end of the movie in a 'what did I learn' moment...
"There are three kinds of people in this world," Johnston says. "Dicks, assholes and pussies. We're dicks, and the rest of the world are pussies. But sometimes an asshole comes along and wants to s*** all over everyone, and the only kind of person who can f*** an asshole is a dick, because pussies are just an inch away from being assholes themselves." (Diplomatically, Johnston concedes, "Sometimes dicks f*** assholes at inappropriate times, and they need pussies to guide them in the right direction.")
OT - Team America's philosophical worldview
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Granatofan
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Just saw it tonight as well. Great stuff. It pulls no punches and takes shots at everyone from left to right and best of all - those bad bad hollywood 'blockbuster' movies. The song about Pearl Harbor was classic.
Swimming with Sharks was a good flick. You ever seen "The Player" -- ironically staring Tim Robbins?
Swimming with Sharks was a good flick. You ever seen "The Player" -- ironically staring Tim Robbins?
Yep,
I saw 'The Player' as well. Loved the line where the studio guy was explaining why movies didn't need writers, because movies write themsleves. That line itself would explain alot of the nonsense coming out of Hollywood these days.
Speaking of Tim Robbins, one of his films that I really enjoyed was Bob Roberts. Those right wing folk songs were absolutely hilarious! Pretty prescient movie given that the ideological division and the tendency for true believer supporters to believe anything put in front of them by their side is becoming greater almost by the day.
Best wishes,
Doug
I saw 'The Player' as well. Loved the line where the studio guy was explaining why movies didn't need writers, because movies write themsleves. That line itself would explain alot of the nonsense coming out of Hollywood these days.
Speaking of Tim Robbins, one of his films that I really enjoyed was Bob Roberts. Those right wing folk songs were absolutely hilarious! Pretty prescient movie given that the ideological division and the tendency for true believer supporters to believe anything put in front of them by their side is becoming greater almost by the day.
Best wishes,
Doug
Bill Maher's New Rules: "No puppet sex! If I wanted wooden sex with strings attached, I'd get married."
Speaking of which, I haven't seen this movie yet but Parker and Stone's MO is to skewer both sides. While this is all evenhanded and nice and all, it would be nice to have satire take an unabashed position.
Maher is picking on Bush at almost every chance -- this week, it would be DVDs of clips of the things Bush said in the debates along with rose-colored glasses.
Parker and Stone are Republicans and they are very anti-PC. Instead of pretending to hit at the foolishness and hypocrisy of both sides, they should just come out and take a position. It might offend a portion of their audience but this "pox on both houses" pusillanimous attitude is becoming a bit monotonous.
Speaking of which, I haven't seen this movie yet but Parker and Stone's MO is to skewer both sides. While this is all evenhanded and nice and all, it would be nice to have satire take an unabashed position.
Maher is picking on Bush at almost every chance -- this week, it would be DVDs of clips of the things Bush said in the debates along with rose-colored glasses.
Parker and Stone are Republicans and they are very anti-PC. Instead of pretending to hit at the foolishness and hypocrisy of both sides, they should just come out and take a position. It might offend a portion of their audience but this "pox on both houses" pusillanimous attitude is becoming a bit monotonous.
I thought Parker and Stone were Libertarians. I can't remember where I read it (probably a newspaper review) but I did read somewhere that they described themselves as Libertarians. I do like Bill Maher although we don't get his new show up here.
BTW, did anyone see Jon Stewart b*tch slap the crossfire gang? They expected that he'd come on and trade a few humorous quips and jokes but he basically called their show a 'fraud'.
Best wishes,
Doug
BTW, did anyone see Jon Stewart b*tch slap the crossfire gang? They expected that he'd come on and trade a few humorous quips and jokes but he basically called their show a 'fraud'.
Best wishes,
Doug
Nowco81 wrote:Parker and Stone are Republicans and they are very anti-PC. Instead of pretending to hit at the foolishness and hypocrisy of both sides, they should just come out and take a position. It might offend a portion of their audience but this "pox on both houses" pusillanimous attitude is becoming a bit monotonous.
Its funny and very entertaining.
See the movie.
Also proves that you dont have to stick your head up one parties ass.
You find Limbaugh refreshing??? Please
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Here's the article about Stewart bitchslapping Crossfire:
"10.15.2004 6:43 PM EDT
In what could well be the strangest and most refreshing media moment of the election season, "The Daily Show" host Jon Stewart turned up on a live broadcast of CNN's "Crossfire" Friday and accused the mainstream media — and his hosts in particular — of being soft and failing to do their duty as journalists to keep politicians and the political process honest.
Reaching well outside his usual youthful "Daily Show" demo, Stewart took to "Crossfire" to promote his new book, "America (The Book): A Citizen's Guide to Democracy Inaction" (see "Jon Stewart Writes A History Textbook That — At Last! — Features Nudity"), but instead of pushing the tome, Stewart used his time to verbally slap the network and the media for being "dishonest" and "doing a disservice" to the American public. After co-host Tucker Carlson suggested that Stewart went easy on Senator John Kerry when the candidate was a guest on "The Daily Show," Stewart unloaded on "Crossfire," calling hosts Carlson and Paul Begala "partisan hacks" and chiding them for not raising the level of discourse on their show beyond sloganeering.
"What you do is not honest. What you do is partisan hackery," Stewart said. "You have a responsibility to the public discourse, and you fail miserably.
"I watch your show every day, and it kills me. It's so painful to watch," Stewart added as it became apparent that the comedian was not joking. He went on to hammer the network, and the media in general, for its coverage of the presidential debates. Stewart said it was a disservice to viewers to immediately seek reaction from campaign insiders and presidential cheerleaders following the debates, noting that the debates' famed "Spin Alley" should be called "Deception Lane."
"The thing is, we need your help," Stewart said. "Right now, you're helping the politicians and the corporations and we're left out there to mow our lawns."
While the audience seemed to be behind Stewart, Begala and Carlson were both taken aback. The hosts tried to feed Stewart set-up lines hoping to draw him into a more light-hearted shtick, but Stewart stayed on point and hammered away at the show, the hosts, and the state of political journalism. Carlson grew increasingly frustrated, at first noting that the segment wasn't "funny," and later verbally sparring with the comedian.
"You're not very much fun," Carlson said. "Do you like lecture people like this, or do you come over to their house and sit and lecture them; they're not doing the right thing, that they're missing their opportunities, evading their responsibilities?"
"If I think they are," Stewart retorted.
The conversation reached its most heated moment when Carlson said to Stewart, "I do think you're more fun on your show," to which Stewart replied, "You're as big a dick on your show as you are on any show."
"That went great," Stewart could be heard sarcastically saying as the show went off the air (a transcript of the show is available on CNN.com).
In an era when the media is increasingly fragmented and viewers can surround themselves with programming that falls right in line with their own views, be they on the right or the left, Stewart's blast seemed especially on point. It seems fitting that the tirade came on a day when much of the media attention focused on the presidential race was directed at the mention of Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter during the last presidential debate, as opposed to the issues addressed at that debate.
—Robert Mancini"
Jon Stewart f***in rocks.
"10.15.2004 6:43 PM EDT
In what could well be the strangest and most refreshing media moment of the election season, "The Daily Show" host Jon Stewart turned up on a live broadcast of CNN's "Crossfire" Friday and accused the mainstream media — and his hosts in particular — of being soft and failing to do their duty as journalists to keep politicians and the political process honest.
Reaching well outside his usual youthful "Daily Show" demo, Stewart took to "Crossfire" to promote his new book, "America (The Book): A Citizen's Guide to Democracy Inaction" (see "Jon Stewart Writes A History Textbook That — At Last! — Features Nudity"), but instead of pushing the tome, Stewart used his time to verbally slap the network and the media for being "dishonest" and "doing a disservice" to the American public. After co-host Tucker Carlson suggested that Stewart went easy on Senator John Kerry when the candidate was a guest on "The Daily Show," Stewart unloaded on "Crossfire," calling hosts Carlson and Paul Begala "partisan hacks" and chiding them for not raising the level of discourse on their show beyond sloganeering.
"What you do is not honest. What you do is partisan hackery," Stewart said. "You have a responsibility to the public discourse, and you fail miserably.
"I watch your show every day, and it kills me. It's so painful to watch," Stewart added as it became apparent that the comedian was not joking. He went on to hammer the network, and the media in general, for its coverage of the presidential debates. Stewart said it was a disservice to viewers to immediately seek reaction from campaign insiders and presidential cheerleaders following the debates, noting that the debates' famed "Spin Alley" should be called "Deception Lane."
"The thing is, we need your help," Stewart said. "Right now, you're helping the politicians and the corporations and we're left out there to mow our lawns."
While the audience seemed to be behind Stewart, Begala and Carlson were both taken aback. The hosts tried to feed Stewart set-up lines hoping to draw him into a more light-hearted shtick, but Stewart stayed on point and hammered away at the show, the hosts, and the state of political journalism. Carlson grew increasingly frustrated, at first noting that the segment wasn't "funny," and later verbally sparring with the comedian.
"You're not very much fun," Carlson said. "Do you like lecture people like this, or do you come over to their house and sit and lecture them; they're not doing the right thing, that they're missing their opportunities, evading their responsibilities?"
"If I think they are," Stewart retorted.
The conversation reached its most heated moment when Carlson said to Stewart, "I do think you're more fun on your show," to which Stewart replied, "You're as big a dick on your show as you are on any show."
"That went great," Stewart could be heard sarcastically saying as the show went off the air (a transcript of the show is available on CNN.com).
In an era when the media is increasingly fragmented and viewers can surround themselves with programming that falls right in line with their own views, be they on the right or the left, Stewart's blast seemed especially on point. It seems fitting that the tirade came on a day when much of the media attention focused on the presidential race was directed at the mention of Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter during the last presidential debate, as opposed to the issues addressed at that debate.
—Robert Mancini"
Jon Stewart f***in rocks.
Airdog,
Funny thing was that Stewart's show spends as much time or more satirizing the media as the politicians, a point which Begala and Carlson don't seem to appreciate. I think they thought they'd get some lighthearted banter about Kerry and Bush but Stewart really laid the wood to them.
One of the big problems with the media is that they spend a lot of time interviewing representatives of the respective sides for their points of view on the campaign. But that is lazy - I mean what do you think a representative of Bush or Kerry is going to say about the performance of their respective candidate (or their opponent)? Is anyone really surprised when the parties field individuals who talk up the perfrmance of their particular candidate? The media need to stop going to the campaigns, or their surrogates, in order to obtain views on whether the policies or statements are realistic. Do some investigate reporting for crying out loud!
I think, and this is what Stewart was getting at, that the media has a responsibility to hold the candidates accountable for their statements and policy positions. Fact checks go someway towards accomplishing this goal, as long as they don't get watered down by concerns about fairness. The media need to examine the candidates positions and policies and try to present a coherent analysis of what the policies mean and whether the candidates statements and positions are reasonable given the context in which they are occurring.
Finally, wouldn't it be nice if the media threw away their narrative of the horse race? The obsession with campaign tactics and polls could then be largely thrown away - these after all are not the most important elements of an election to the citizens.
Best wishes,
Doug
Funny thing was that Stewart's show spends as much time or more satirizing the media as the politicians, a point which Begala and Carlson don't seem to appreciate. I think they thought they'd get some lighthearted banter about Kerry and Bush but Stewart really laid the wood to them.
One of the big problems with the media is that they spend a lot of time interviewing representatives of the respective sides for their points of view on the campaign. But that is lazy - I mean what do you think a representative of Bush or Kerry is going to say about the performance of their respective candidate (or their opponent)? Is anyone really surprised when the parties field individuals who talk up the perfrmance of their particular candidate? The media need to stop going to the campaigns, or their surrogates, in order to obtain views on whether the policies or statements are realistic. Do some investigate reporting for crying out loud!
I think, and this is what Stewart was getting at, that the media has a responsibility to hold the candidates accountable for their statements and policy positions. Fact checks go someway towards accomplishing this goal, as long as they don't get watered down by concerns about fairness. The media need to examine the candidates positions and policies and try to present a coherent analysis of what the policies mean and whether the candidates statements and positions are reasonable given the context in which they are occurring.
Finally, wouldn't it be nice if the media threw away their narrative of the horse race? The obsession with campaign tactics and polls could then be largely thrown away - these after all are not the most important elements of an election to the citizens.
Best wishes,
Doug
"Don't smoke crack. It's a ghetto drug."dougb wrote:Yep,
I saw 'The Player' as well. Loved the line where the studio guy was explaining why movies didn't need writers, because movies write themsleves. That line itself would explain alot of the nonsense coming out of Hollywood these days.
Speaking of Tim Robbins, one of his films that I really enjoyed was Bob Roberts. Those right wing folk songs were absolutely hilarious! Pretty prescient movie given that the ideological division and the tendency for true believer supporters to believe anything put in front of them by their side is becoming greater almost by the day.
Best wishes,
Doug
Classic movie.