USC WR Williams - Denied

Noledog · Post by **Noledog** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:13 pm

This from espn a few minutes ago

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1868537

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:12 pm

Say goodbye to the back to back Championship bid.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:29 pm

Say hello to my Oklahoma Sooners..

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:42 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:Say goodbye to the back to back Championship bid.

Nah, Mike Willilams wasn't going to make or break their bid. I have said all along, I think they will be down a bit this year. They lost a ton of talent all over the place and while they have a lot of talent to replace it, they don't have much experience.

While losing Williams, and Colbert will hurt, they have more depth at WR than any team I have seen in a long time. There are kids there that would start for a lot of Top 10 programs, that aren't even going to sniff the field.

The inexperience and less depth on the oline and defensive backfield is going to hurt them more than anything. Next year is the year I would say that they really should prosper.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:58 pm

they have more depth at WR than any team I have seen in a long time.

Have you seen OU's WR corps? It would be pretty darn close with all the athletes OU has in that position.

Isn't it about that time for our yearly PAC-10 vs. BIG 12 debate?

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:57 pm

I figured I would let OU and the Big 12 try to redeem their post season collapse before I started up again.

cdastros · Post by **cdastros** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:59 pm

It is going to be hard for OU to when a championship with a loss to Texas this year.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 7:25 pm

cdastros wrote:It is going to be hard for OU to when a championship with a loss to Texas this year.

They fired Mack Brown?

Checks Google News.

Nope he is still there, we are safe.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 8:44 pm

bdoughty wrote:
cdastros wrote:It is going to be hard for OU to when a championship with a loss to Texas this year.
They fired Mack Brown?

Checks Google News.

Nope he is still there, we are safe.

LOL, Mack has turned Texas in to the definition of overrated.

cdastros · Post by **cdastros** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:03 pm

I think Oklahoma is the definition of overrated. They got treat like they were the best collage team ever, then Kansas State and LSU b*tch slapped them.

Vince Young will have a big game against the overrated OU defense and shut up a lot of critics of Mack Brown and Texas.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:09 pm

cdastros wrote:I think Oklahoma is the definition of overrated. They got treat like they were the best collage team ever, then Kansas State and LSU b*tch slapped them.

Vince Young will have a big game against the overrated OU defense and shut up a lot of critics of Mack Brown and Texas.

LMAO.

Any team (Like Texas) who just weeks after getting spanked by OU by 50+ points, ends up getting ranked #5 in the nation is overrated. Then after being overrated at #5 in the nation to go on to lose to Washington St. in the Holliday Bowl, pretty much seals the deal.

How many times does Texas have to play no one, win 10 games and then lose in the Holliday Bowl to a Pac 10 team before Texas fans come to grips with reality. They have done that 2 out of the last 4 years, and were a Major Applewhite miracle comeback away from doing that 3 out of the last 4 years.

OVERRATED.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:11 pm

I think Oklahoma is the definition of overrated.

Oh most definately. I mean OU year after year they has the #1 recruiting class in the nation only to fail miserably.

No wait a second that that was Texas.

Beat OU and then you can talk smack.

Cincinnati_Kid · Post by **Cincinnati_Kid** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:34 pm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/f ... ml?cnn=yes

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:48 pm

Too funny... Just shows how bad Mack really is.

For all their accomplishments, however, the Longhorns have yet to ascend that final step up the ladder of the college football hierarchy and claim the sport's most coveted prize: the national championship. An enormous state full of fans are beginning to grumble, and much of their criticism is focused on what they believe is an overly conservative offensive system. So last winter, Brown commissioned a little research project -- compiling the statistical rankings of all the most recent national champions to search for common threads. "My job is to figure out what we need to do to win," Brown said. "So I said, 'Let's look at the teams that have won it from the '90s to now, and let's look at it from a factual standpoint rather than an emotional one.'"

What did he learn? That for all the attention placed on offense, the statistics point overwhelmingly toward a greater emphasis on defense. "We've heard it our whole life, that defense wins championships," Brown said. "This is something you just need to reinforce."

Gee you would think the past 4 games against OU would have given him a clue to this already? Two 49+ point loses in 4 years, gee what is the problem. That and giving up 40+ points to Texas Tech the last 2 years.

Well at least he got to watch gamefilm again from that 63-14 debacle in 2000 when OU went on to win the national championship.

For Longhorn Fans born after 1970... That would be this trophy.

See there T-Sipper, Sooner fans can take our defeats graciously.

cdastros · Post by **cdastros** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:16 pm

Bk, how can you say that only Texas has a soft schedule when Texas and OU play pretty much the same schedule this year and last year. With those schedules OU lost 2 games and Texas lost 3. One of those 3 losses was not to Kansas State by 28. I am not saying that Texas was better than OU last year. I am saying that Texas is better than OU this year. I can’t believe you guys are buying into the OU hype like last year.

Bd, there is a reason those Oklahoma girls have pictures of there ass instead of their faces. It’s because their faces are too ugly to take a picture of. UT girls will always be better looking than a butter face OU girl.

Also, don’t be surprised if University of Houston shocks OU on sep. 11.

Go U of H and go Texas

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:33 pm

cdastros wrote:Bk, how can you say that only Texas has a soft schedule when Texas and OU play pretty much the same schedule this year and last year. With those schedules OU lost 2 games and Texas lost 3. One of those 3 losses was not to Kansas State by 28. I am not saying that Texas was better than OU last year. I am saying that Texas is better than OU this year. I can’t believe you guys are buying into the OU hype like last year.

Bd, there is a reason those Oklahoma girls have pictures of there ass instead of their faces. It’s because their faces are too ugly to take a picture of. UT girls will always be better looking than a butter face OU girl.

Also, don’t be surprised if University of Houston shocks OU on sep. 11.

Go U of H and go Texas

Until they show they can stay with in 50 of OU, or they show they can beat the Washington St.'s of the world, I won't be convinced that Texas is anything more than a paper tiger.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:45 pm

I am not saying that Texas was better than OU last year. I am saying that Texas is better than OU this year. I can’t believe you guys are buying into the OU hype like last year.

Heard this in 2000 from Longhorn fans {Chris Simms will lead us to the promise land}
Heard this in 2001 from Longhorn fans {Chris Simms will lead us to the promise land}
Heard this in 2002 from Longhorn fans {Chris Simms will lead us to the promise land}
Heard this in 2003 from Longhorn fans {Vince Young will lead us to the promise land}

Imagine my suprise to hear it yet again in 2004 from a Longhorn fan. {Vince Young will lead us to the promise land}

At least with a broken record you can shut it off. Just wait for the game and then we can discuss the Red River Rivaly.

Bd, there is a reason those Oklahoma girls have pictures of there ass instead of their faces. It’s because their faces are too ugly to take a picture of. UT girls will always be better looking than a butter face OU girl.

I bet in your mind you thought that was funny.

Also, don’t be surprised if University of Houston shocks OU on sep. 11.

I do not take any team lightly. I predicted the Kansas St would be OU's toughest challenge last year if they were to meet in the title game and my boy BK can quote me on saying that. I smelled the upset and it happened. Of course coming from a Longhorn fan that Houston quote is simply laughable.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:01 am

All this talk about OU and Texas, what about Mizzou? You watch as they beat Texas, in Texas. OU who? You're just lucky we don't play you this year.

Todd

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:14 am

Wow...my avatar of the girl in the Canes shorts destroys that Oklahoma sh*t...

Remind me never to go there to look for chicks.

skidmark · Post by **skidmark** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:07 pm

Texas and OU are both overrated...

Texas has been for years... they have supposed loads of talent but they can't even make the Big 12 Championship...

OU actually had a team a couple of years back so it makes sense that they are overrated... plus they pound all these teams that can't get a pass rush on them so that helps them look phenomenal. Get a decent pass rush on Jason White and suddenly he transforms from Mr. Heisman to Chris Sims against a ranked team.

The whole Big 12 has an astonishing number of good teams, but this often vaults the conference in people minds making them think the best of the best of these good teams must be better than the best of the best in other conferences. As USC has proved the last couple of years... this is far from true. Of course USC's last 2 bowl games have been against big-10 teams, but with complete blowouts in both of those games, they are still waiting for a team come bowl time that can even come close to hanging with them. I think they'll have trouble early because without Williams and Colbert, they've got brand new troops out there. Chow successfully turned Leinart into a phenom in 1 year though so it could definitely happen again.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:13 pm

OU actually had a team a couple of years back so it makes sense that they are overrated...

So OU is overated if they don't win the National Title every year?

2003 - Played LSU for the share of the BCS Title
2002 - Won Rose Bowl (beat Washington St, see Texas it can be done)
2001 - Won Cotton bowl (beat Arkansas in an ugly game)
2000 - National Title

The whole Big 12 has an astonishing number of good teams, but this often vaults the conference in people minds making them think the best of the best of these good teams must be better than the best of the best in other conferences.

Astonishing number of good teams ----- yet vaults conference in peoples minds? Pull out a dictionary and look up contradiction.

They won the BIG 12 Championship twice in the last four years and have been in three times. The very same one you refer to that has "an astonishing number of good teams".

Let me save you the time skidy...

con·tra·dic·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kntr-dkshn)
n.

The act of contradicting.
The state of being contradicted.
A denial.
Inconsistency; discrepancy.
Something that contains contradictory elements.

F308GTB · Post by **F308GTB** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:54 pm

cdastros wrote:Bd, there is a reason those Oklahoma girls have pictures of there ass instead of their faces. It’s because their faces are too ugly to take a picture of. UT girls will always be better looking than a butter face OU girl.

Also, don’t be surprised if University of Houston shocks OU on sep. 11.

Go U of H and go Texas

Please don't bring that UT crap into DSP. I hear enough of it on Houston AM sports talk. UT fans are friggin' obnoxious on the radio Always touting how many "recruiting national championships" they've won. I do think Vince Young is a fine player though. UT broads do not have the market cornered on beauty either. Give me one of them fine Pasa-get-down-dena girls at San Jac. Well, on second thought.

The only way UH will shock the Sooners is if they actually cover the spread. Art Briles is a good coach who can hopefully bring the Cougs back to respectability. Rice is anticipated to have a pretty good year.

skidmark · Post by **skidmark** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:03 pm

bdoughty wrote: So OU is overated if they don't win the National Title every year?

2003 - Played LSU for the share of the BCS Title

And they lost, and they shouldn't have been in that game to begin with.

2002 - Won Rose Bowl (beat Washington St, see Texas it can be done)
2001 - Won Cotton bowl (beat Arkansas in an ugly game)

Who cares? Washington St. wasn't even the best Pac-10 team and an ugly victory over Arkansas in a bowl is hardly worth mentioning either.

2000 - National Title

A definite and deserving team that was the best in the nation... congrats!

Astonishing number of good teams ----- yet vaults conference in peoples minds? Pull out a dictionary and look up contradiction.

con·tra·dic·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kntr-dkshn)
n.

The act of contradicting.
The state of being contradicted.
A denial.
Inconsistency; discrepancy.
Something that contains contradictory elements.

Ok, you obviously completely missed my point here. I'm saying that the Big 12 is a great conference with a lot of very good teams. Being the "best" of those teams doesn't automatically put you higher than the "best" team from another conference. It is obvious that OK has been the "best" team in the Big 12 for the last several years. UT shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath with their recent track record. My point is people assume that being the "best" in the Big 12 automatically means they are the best in the country. OK is a great team and is one of the best in the country, but not "the" best. They are a great team that has potential for greatness again this year... I personally think they are a bit overrated because Jason White (Heisman Winner) is a hack.

OK is a great team, one of the top teams in the nation. But they have done nothing in the last 3 years to prove that they are the best team in the nation.

missing the point (P) Pronunciation Key (mis-sing the point)

Responding obliviously to a counter opinion.
Complaining about a very hot woman's ability to play tennis.
Referring to your former qb as having homosexual tendencies when you spent the last season practicing in tight spandex and dancing with pom-poms.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:14 pm

My point is people assume that being the "best" in the Big 12 automatically means they are the best in the country.

What people?

Nice generalization and not even close to making a point. Yea I am sure all those pollsters in the West, North, East and Southeast agree with you.

OU wins and I have no idea how you can say they are overated, their record speaks for itself the past few years. They are overated compare to what? Last I checked a different team(s) has won the national title the last 7 years.

skidmark · Post by **skidmark** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:40 pm

bdoughty wrote:
My point is people assume that being the "best" in the Big 12 automatically means they are the best in the country.
What people?

Um, for starters, how about all the sportswriters that had them marked down as NC's for all of last year... good grief you're dense. Last year OK was labeled as #1 for the entire year and all you heard about was how it is just a battle for a distant second because unstoppable OK has just pounded Texas A & M 77-0.

Nice generalization and not even close to making a point.

Nevermind... go ahead and get back to your regularly scheduled postings of IGN's latest WWE review. What's wrong with Texas Tech by the way? I love them and I'm from Cali... If I was out there in Lubbock, I wouldn't be wasting my time lusting after OK. The Red Raiders rivalry with Texas is far more satisfying than OK's dominance of them.