E3 2017

[Danimal]

I haven't seen any pressers since I was in a golf tournament this weekend. Where is the bets place to catch up.

Also I looked around as I assume places like amazon would be taking pre-orders for XB1X and see nothing.

[GameSeven]

2 of the 3 titles you name would qualify as been there, done that. Last of Us was a PS3 game right? I'm asking where are these new IP's that are must haves, that is what he was alluding too.

In fairness, Sony hasn't given their press conference yet, so the door is certainly open to them here, I think.

As far as current titles, I may agree that Uncharted is growing a bit long in the tooth, but the other properties should still have some legs and, as I also mentioned, I think God of War will see a boost with their current direction.

On the other hand, I think MS needs to move beyond Halo, Gears, and Forza as well...

[GameSeven]

I haven't seen any pressers since I was in a golf tournament this weekend. Where is the bets place to catch up.

Also I looked around as I assume places like amazon would be taking pre-orders for XB1X and see nothing.

The E3 website has links to the given presentations. A few of the YouTube videos I saw of same had obnoxious reaction/commentary over the content which is annoying.

I'm sitting on some Gamestop credit, so I'm awaiting preorders there, but it's true that preorder options appear unavailable or limited at best for the moment.

[10spro]

Currently I am playing on a Xbox S 2 TB model with only 25% space available even with an extra HD on the side ( yes I have a lot if digital content). Although the specs are very impressive and dare I guess that the price in Canada will be around $699 with the current exchange rate, I will most likely wait 6 months after the dust has settled or the Fall of 2018 where a 2 or more TB model will be introduced along a decent exchange program.

[Danimal]

2 of the 3 titles you name would qualify as been there, done that. Last of Us was a PS3 game right? I'm asking where are these new IP's that are must haves, that is what he was alluding too.

In fairness, Sony hasn't given their press conference yet, so the door is certainly open to them here, I think.

Ahh, was so busy didn't know that. thought they all went the same day. I agree that a lot of these series are long in the tooth, and that video of the Bioware game looked good but I just don't see many original IP's at this point.

[Rodster]

And yeah MS needs to watch out for the PS4 Pro because of Sony's strong 1st party games, again something MS totally dropped the ball on this hardware generation since the PS4 and XONE were introduced. Where are the new system selling IP's like Gears of War or Halo brought to the XBOX's? Everything so far has been there done that. I'm with Rob on the nothingburger.

Exactly what are PS4's strong games? Horizon is a great game, it was also lost in the crowd. Calling it a system seller is not accurate, it SHOULD of been a system seller but it wasn't due to poor launch timing and little to no buzz from Sony.

I'm not saying your point isn't valid, a strong game to bundle would help but aside from Zelda and the switch I'm not seeing anything else resembling that criteria.

For me, Bloodborne is a system seller, a new IP and amazing graphics even on the standard PS4. Gran Turismo is also a system seller for Sony. Then as DB mentioned there's the Uncharted series. I prefer the Microsoft brand but just by appearance, Sony has done a better job with their 1st party games and franchises this generation.

Like I mentioned before, Forza has become to Microsoft what Ridge Racer was to the Playstation.

[pk500]

Like I mentioned before, Forza has become to Microsoft what Ridge Racer was to the Playstation.

Baloney sausage.

Gran Turismo, which debuted in 1998 on the original PlayStation and has shown limited improvement in any area other than graphics over the last 19 years, is a system seller, but Forza, which also has spawned the fun Horizon series, is Ridge Racer? Ridiculous, man.

There is no more overrated console racing series than GT. Continually riding Kaz's schlong like he's some kind of visionary won't improve the series, either.

Fact is, studios like Codemasters, Slightly Mad and Turn 10 have left Polyphony Digital in the dust in every area except graphics.

[Danimal]

Gran Turismo is also a system seller for Sony. Then as DB mentioned there's the Uncharted series.

Like I mentioned before, Forza has become to Microsoft what Ridge Racer was to the Playstation.

GT is a system seller but Forza is the new Ridge Racer? IDK I'm not a racing guy but it seems to me sim racers are on the Xbox or PC. When was the last GT game anyway?

I agree with your initial point that systems need new IP's but I'm not seeing your system seller argument based on those titles.

[Rodster]

Gran Turismo is also a system seller for Sony. Then as DB mentioned there's the Uncharted series.

Like I mentioned before, Forza has become to Microsoft what Ridge Racer was to the Playstation.

GT is a system seller but Forza is the new Ridge Racer? IDK I'm not a racing guy but it seems to me sim racers are on the Xbox or PC. When was the last GT game anyway?

I agree with your initial point that systems need new IP's but I'm not seeing your system seller argument based on those titles.

Yes, Microsoft is treating Forza like Sony did with Ridge Racer. Every new system Sony introduced they yelled out Ridge Racer like that was supposed to sell their hardware.

Like it or not Gran Turismo has a bigger following with more gamers around the world than the Forza series because it's been around longer than Forza. I personally prefer Forza but Gran Turismo sells Playstation's around the world.

[pk500]

Forza sells Xboxes, too. This idea that only GT is a system seller is equal parts silly and wrong.

The only reason GT hasn't been a launch title for all PS hardware is because Kaz and Polyphony Digital can't get their sh*t together and meet development deadlines, using their "genius" as an excuse for delays.

[Rodster]

Like I mentioned before, Forza has become to Microsoft what Ridge Racer was to the Playstation.

Baloney sausage.

Gran Turismo, which debuted in 1998 on the original PlayStation and has shown limited improvement in any area other than graphics over the last 19 years, is a system seller, but Forza, which also has spawned the fun Horizon series, is Ridge Racer? Ridiculous, man.

There is no more overrated console racing series than GT. Continually riding Kaz's schlong like he's some kind of visionary won't improve the series, either.

Fact is, studios like Codemasters, Slightly Mad and Turn 10 have left Polyphony Digital in the dust in every area except graphics.

It doesn't matter what Gran Turismo is in it's current form. The facts are outside of the US, the Playstation is the preferred brand by gamers, not the XBOX brand and the sales numbers back that up. While MS closed the gap outside of the US with the X360, the gap has widen again with the PS4 and PS4 Pro. MS needs to step up with new IP's apart from their core games. Again, Sony got Bloodborne and Horizon Zero Dawn, both games had solid reviews. Microsoft seems to be relying more on 3rd party titles.

My point is that MS is doing what Sony did with Ridge Racer. Every new system it's the first title out of the gate for MS just as Ridge Racer was for Sony. I never said Forza sucks or Forza Horizon but the entire planet doesn't reside in the US and gamers have different interest apart from racing games.

[Rodster]

Forza sells Xboxes, too. This idea that only GT is a system seller is equal parts silly and wrong.

The only reason GT hasn't been a launch title for all PS hardware is because Kaz and Polyphony Digital can't get their sh*t together and meet development deadlines, using their "genius" as an excuse for delays.

I'm not saying that Forza doesn't sell XBOX's, it does but Sony's catalog is more diverse at this point. Again my point is with every new MS XBOX, they introduce a new Forza game to push and sell their systems. Sony did exactly the same thing with Ridge Racer. At some point gamers, say who cares about Ridge Racer?

[tjung0831]

i won't be getting one. I was pretty underwhelmed with the Xbox One S. I like my PS4 much much better. If I do anything, I'll be going to the PS4 Pro.

[Aristo]

I haven't seen any pressers since I was in a golf tournament this weekend. Where is the bets place to catch up.

Also I looked around as I assume places like amazon would be taking pre-orders for XB1X and see nothing.

"I searched 4K E3 on youtube and watched a bunch of trailers in 4K last night. Really can't wait.

And yeah, I finally joined the 4K revolution, picking up a Sony x900e yesterday. It's just 49", but i sit pretty close. Would have gotten the 55", but I was appeasing the wife who really didn't wanna big TV. This keeps the TV from overhanging our TV stand. The 55" would have just been an inch and half on each side.

Picked up a One S with it, and found that FH3 was more amazing than I could have imagined in HDR. Can't wait for Forza 7.

[wco81]

Regardless of the merits, you'd think MS would have learned from launching the Xbox One at $499 with Kinect.

They believed the Kinect features would make people pay more than the competitor's product.

Now they're banking on pure power to do so. That may work for the first couple of million units but then the price difference compared to the regular Xbox One might be too much for most people to overlook.

[Wilk5280]

I'll wait for a pack in game bundle just like the Nintendo Switch when it's discounted. The problem with the Scorpio is that there isn't any compelling game to warrant the purchase like Bloodborne or Horizon Zero Dawn did for the PS4 or Zelda for the Switch. Microsoft is using Forza just like Sony did with Ridge Racer. That isn't a system seller.

And that pretty much has defined this generation of consoles. Sony is kicking ass with 1st party exclusives while Microsoft has taken a step back and has relied more on third party games.

A new Halo title with HDR effects and 4K resolution, running at 60 frames per second would have perhaps made that $499 seem reasonable. As it stands, it may prove like a luxury purchase until inevitably, the price tumbles.

With rumours that the PS4 Pro may drop in prices, it'll be interesting to see where the gamers will go. And as you said not sure even if they pack Forza 7 would make them an automatic system seller.

Having said that, if they have a decent trade in program, I am all for it. For the record, I am not so keen on the X brand name, I would have left it as Scorpio.

I'm not sure if this is a matter of where gamers will or will not go. I don't think the Pro or X will shift market share, or trend it one way or the other. I think the people purchasing either one are updating for their current eco-system and only the die-hards will do it. Maybe new gamers coming into the generation for the first time, but how many gamers out there are realistically still primarily last gen at this stage of the game?

I can't remember where I read it so am not able to confirm, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that PS4 Pro's currently make up a very small percentage of PS4's overall sales. As I state the obvious, this just points to the fact that price point is still king.

[Danimal]

A quick Google search says the Forza series (meaning both games) is the best selling racing series in console history.

A new Uncharted in released with every new PS launch.

Not wanting or being excited about the new Xbox is a valid option for anyone but the Forza / Ridge Racer argument is absurd logic. Forza is played by a lot of people, like it or not it is a system seller or they wouldn't keep making them.

[Danimal]

Xcom 2 is getting an expansion.

Age of Empires is getting a new edition.

Only PC news I've heard

[vader29]

Also I looked around as I assume places like amazon would be taking pre-orders for XB1X and see nothing.

From Microsofts site:

"This device has not been approved by the Federal Communications Commission. It is not for sale until FCC approval has been obtained."

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d ... vCw&tduid=(daef18c245aa57279a4d9848f8918ac4

[GameSeven]

O. M. G.

This Ubisoft Skull & Bones trailer is taking an enormous dump on Sea of Thieves



Edit: In fairness, I should allow for the potential that these end up quite different games, but first impressions vastly favor S&B in my opinion

[Danimal]

For those who thought the XB1X was expensive.

[pk500]

The only reason GT hasn't been a launch title for all PS hardware is because Kaz and Polyphony Digital can't get their sh*t together and meet development deadlines, using their "genius" as an excuse for delays.
I'm not saying that Forza doesn't sell XBOX's, it does but Sony's catalog is more diverse at this point. Again my point is with every new MS XBOX, they introduce a new Forza game to push and sell their systems. Sony did exactly the same thing with Ridge Racer. At some point gamers, say who cares about Ridge Racer?

Forza continues to evolve and sell. Ridge Racer did not.

Plus Forza is based on real cars and tracks, which has great appeal. Ridge Racer may have had a few licensed cars -- can't remember. But it was an arcade game, pure and simple. Forza always has been a sim-cade series, which reaches more potential customers.

[Danimal]

Never been an AC guy and I ain't paying $800 for a Legendary edition but man that trailer looks sick.

Steep expansion for all 12 of you who bought the game.

[Danimal]

So far of what I saw Beyond Good and Evil 2 is my favorite thing of E3.

[Rodster]

The only reason GT hasn't been a launch title for all PS hardware is because Kaz and Polyphony Digital can't get their sh*t together and meet development deadlines, using their "genius" as an excuse for delays.
I'm not saying that Forza doesn't sell XBOX's, it does but Sony's catalog is more diverse at this point. Again my point is with every new MS XBOX, they introduce a new Forza game to push and sell their systems. Sony did exactly the same thing with Ridge Racer. At some point gamers, say who cares about Ridge Racer?

Forza continues to evolve and sell. Ridge Racer did not.

Plus Forza is based on real cars and tracks, which has great appeal. Ridge Racer may have had a few licensed cars -- can't remember. But it was an arcade game, pure and simple. Forza always has been a sim-cade series, which reaches more potential customers.

You are totally missing the point and reading way too much into it. MS is using Forza just like Sony used Ridge Racer. If you want to sell your shining new system to potential gamers for a premium price, then give them reasons besides mature and tired franchises. Look what's happened to Gears of War and the Halo series.

Sony has been doing that this generation with some new IP's. Microsoft seems to rely more on 3rd party software companies and is just selling games that come out every 2 years. Since 2013 we have seen how many Forza games on the XONE? So far I count four.

You think potential customers all want Forza racing games and 3rd party games they can play on a Playstation? I like the Forza series going back to the 1st one on the original XBOX and have purchased all followups.

The problem with Ridge Racer wasn't whether it was based on reality or fantasy (because I purchased everyone going back to the original Playstation), the series was run into the ground with constant releases. Microsoft needs to up their game and concentrate on fresh IP's so that it gives gamers more options to buy their hardware.