The Beautiful Game thread, season 2015/16

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Re: The Beautiful Game thread, season 2015/16

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RobVarak wrote:There is definitely a need for a superstar to ignite the imagination.

The problem though isn't with player switching to other sports, it's the continued domination of the development process by travel clubs and the NCAA. It's just a function of money. Soccer desperately needs an AAU equivalent. Somewhere the most promising kids can play against high-level competition without a huge financial outlay by their family. And like AAU (which is certainly not without its flaws), it needs to be financed by third-parties, like the shoe companies.

We're the only nation in the world that depends on parents to subsidize their best football prospects. These parents are all focused on the wrong things. They want a club that wins (inherently placing this ahead of player development) so that their player gets more attention from college scouts.

A lot was invested in the MLS academies, but they simply can't compete with the NCAA suckhole. Moreover, they aren't doing anything to help shift the financial burden. For example, my middle daughter is good enough to start considering playing travel (something I really do despise, but accept as the only way for her to get better instruction). I looked into several local clubs and there is a Chicago Fire Junior travel team that is affiliated with the Fire Academy. It costs every bit as much, if not more, than unaffiliated private clubs in the area! The MLS teams should be subsidizing the hell out of these to expand the net for prospects. Instead, just like the private clubs, they can't see past the short-term revenue.
The MLS academies are getting better, albeit slowly and most likely not universally. But I'm pretty sure RBNY now have cost-free academy operations down to the U13 level and maybe even lower, and they are aggressively working towards a residential academy at their excellent training facility.

Also the rule instituted in the last couple of years that requires very MLS team to either field their own USL squad or be affiliated with an independent one has added a very important layer below the senior teams for MLS clubs to hold onto and develop young players.

However, I see two major problems with the MLS in terms of player development, and they both stem from the basic setup of the league. First, the team's can only recruit for their academies from very sharply defined and small regional territories. Secodly, the roster and player salary restrictions are obscenely complex and restrictive. Both of these problems are due to the fact that the league has been set up to protect the owners in the best way possible, and not to produce the best teams, players or league competition. All of the major decisions and all of the complicated, confusing, incomprehensible squad rules exist to protect the club owners. I don't see how this will ever change, and in many ways it functions in direct opposition to the development of young players.
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wco81 wrote:Maybe it's more of a publicity stunt for the US academies and AC Roma.
It's a publicity stunt. My 11-year-old son has played the last two seasons for a travel team called Empire Revolution, which is affiliated with the New England Revolution of MLS. (Why it's not affiliated with Toronto FC, Red Bull NY or NYCFC since we live in upstate New York is beyond me, but that's another story.)

The only connection between his Revolution team and the Revolution franchise is that his uniform looks just like the Revolution's. Plus he can say he's "in the Revolution's youth system." I let him live with the fantasy. :)
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I think one of the problems that needs to be over come is the fact that the sport still isnt really respected here in the States.
Until the nation embraces Soccer like their other sports it aint happening.
It seems its going backwards looking at the team right now, so wooden .

Shame really as it did look quite promising not long ago, remember when you where ranked 9 in the world :lol: yeh that was a bit inflated but it didnt seem too far out of reach back then.
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Well the US team sports are geared towards taller, bigger athletes.

In soccer, players like Messi and Xavi are not such outliers. A lot of very good players who are around 160-170 pounds and under 6-feet.

So maybe American star athletes come across as larger than life and kids aspire to emulate them so they're spending a lot of time in the weight room instead of developing skills. Look at all the NFL, NBA and MLB players who make it to the pros and then refine their skills, not before arriving there.

They also continue with their physical development, adding muscle, core strength, etc.

Meanwhile, soccer doesn't produce a lot of scoring. You can see a lot of athleticism but Americans also see a lot of it on display in the other sports too.

Whether the sport needs to become more popular in order for the country to produce better players or whether the country needs to produce better players in order for the sport to become more popular is a classic chicken and egg question.
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I think it would have to be the latter.
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It was tedious to watch but the second half of the ET finally had some light between Portugal-Croatia.

Copa America finals tomorrow: Argentina-Chile
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The whole day of footy was hideous. I will never recoup those hours back. None of the teams should advance.

Just made a new rule no more 24 team qualify and if your knockout game is negative with only one shot each then no one goes thru. :x
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Ozil with a s*** PK for Germany. What the hell was that? ...Germany do look like winners. Dominating.

When Ireland was not awarded a corner kick right before France's second goal, I felt as though I was in the Twilight Zone. That was beyond bizarre. Really?

I only saw the second half but I thought France looked pretty good. Looking forward to a possible match up with England.

Without Greece I am looking for anything to get me interested. Yes I know I am the only one.
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Hazard looking good setting up that second goal... Accidentally? passing to himself.

Then burying the game with his goal.
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XXXIV wrote:Hazard looking good setting up that second goal... Accidentally? passing to himself.

Then burying the game with his goal.
He was amazing. That run making it 3-0 was crazy good. Belgians looking solid in the tournament.
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10spro wrote:
XXXIV wrote:Hazard looking good setting up that second goal... Accidentally? passing to himself.

Then burying the game with his goal.
He was amazing. That run making it 3-0 was crazy good. Belgians looking solid in the tournament.
Agreed!

Lucky for you you arent listening to ESPN all retard post game show. A testament to the state of US soccer. cant even cover the f***in game.

They cant stop telling us how terrible Belgium is.
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They must be jealous that Hazard alone is worth the entire Hungarian team. In any case, they started slow in the tournament but we're very good today.
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10spro wrote:They must be jealous that Hazard alone is worth the entire Hungarian team. In any case, they started slow in the tournament but we're very good today.
espn is garbage 24 7.

Worthless. No choice with this tourny.

Why I watch NFL and NHL network and leave the trash to the weak and the idiots.
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XXXIV wrote:
10spro wrote:They must be jealous that Hazard alone is worth the entire Hungarian team. In any case, they started slow in the tournament but they were very good today.
espn is garbage 24 7.

Worthless. No choice with this tourny.

Why I watch NFL and NHL network and leave the trash to the weak and the idiots.
Yeah, must be frustrating. Same with NBC doing Hockey I guess.

Vamos Argentina. :D
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Chileans can be a physical brutal bunch, the history with both teams doesn't help. It's been tight as expected, let's see if Argentina can take advantage with the extra man.

Ref, is NOT your show dude...
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Looking like fight club now.

NO f***in WAY IS THAT A RED!

Ref is a f***in disgrace.
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XXXIV wrote:Looking like fight club now.
They hate each other, it's all even now. Watch the last minute of that funny video on Chile...Pure sarcasm...
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XXXIV wrote:Looking like fight club now.

NO f***in WAY IS THAT A RED!

Ref is a f***in disgrace.
Sadly he's making it his show...Centennial Copa America no less...Go home...
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10spro wrote:
XXXIV wrote:Looking like fight club now.
They hate each other, it's all even now. Watch the last minute of that funny video on Chile...Pure sarcasm...
He wasnt invited no?

The ref is a piece of s***.

Why scum like him can ref a game like this is f***in amazing!

He is not worthy of oxygen let alone reffing this game.
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Ref is in over his head.
Would be nice for him to make a decision without having a crowd in his face with their arms behind their backs jesus.
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Loss of control.

No balls.

Worthless.
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Is he Mexican? Nuff said... 8) Pincha tu madre...
Game should be 2-0 for the good guys. Getting nervous...
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Thought he was Brazilian.
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Jimmydeicide wrote:Thought he was Brazilian.
Even worse then. He'll be anti Gauchos.
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10spro wrote:) Pincha tu madre...
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:lol: :lol:

Milf?
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