NFL 2013-14

[Diablo25]

What a d*****!

f***in A!

A true low life.

What a joke Sherman is. He may as well have screamed "I really don't care about the team it's all about me". Total egotistical asshole. I'm sure Stanford is proud. Pulling hard for the Broncos in the Super Bowl after that display.

PS. Evidently Sherman is getting destroyed on Twitter and FB. There is help for the human race.

[Danimal]

Someone said he had a 4.0 gpa at Stanford, I think the NCAA should investigate them immediately if that is true.

[Macca00]

That Sherman clip is fantastic. He should be in the WWF!

[Diablo25]

Evidently the Redskins weren't happy with his act last year. Straight punch to the face by a lineman.

[vader29]

[Inuyasha]

Sherman was the same guy last year who chased down Tom Brady after a game to 'get his autograph'. He had a pen/pad he put in Brady's face.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... artest-qbs

[Zlax45]

Someone said he had a 4.0 gpa at Stanford, I think the NCAA should investigate them immediately if that is true.

No clue about Stanford but I know Harvard is EXTREMELY tough to flunk out of...they give you a ton of "extra" help while grading very easy.

[RobVarak]

As entertaining as the NFC game was, it was the final piece of evidence that I needed to conclude that I wouldn't give you a box of rocks for either one of those QB's. Neither one of them has any command of the offense, they're both one-read and done. Neither of them has any pocket presence whatsoever. Colin Kaepernick is a thoroughbred and glorious to watch in the open field, but that's a short-lived skill set.

Either of those guys on a team with a league-average defense is going to cost you a ton of ballgames, many more than they win for you.

[Zlax45]

As entertaining as the NFC game was, it was the final piece of evidence that I needed to conclude that I wouldn't give you a box of rocks for either one of those QB's. Neither one of them has any command of the offense, they're both one-read and done. Neither of them has any pocket presence whatsoever. Colin Kaepernick is a thoroughbred and glorious to watch in the open field, but that's a short-lived skill set.

Either of those guys on a team with a league-average defense is going to cost you a ton of ballgames, many more than they win for you.

Isn't that why Brady lost on Sunday also? Average defense for the Pats since 07....

[RobVarak]

As entertaining as the NFC game was, it was the final piece of evidence that I needed to conclude that I wouldn't give you a box of rocks for either one of those QB's. Neither one of them has any command of the offense, they're both one-read and done. Neither of them has any pocket presence whatsoever. Colin Kaepernick is a thoroughbred and glorious to watch in the open field, but that's a short-lived skill set.

Either of those guys on a team with a league-average defense is going to cost you a ton of ballgames, many more than they win for you.

Isn't that why Brady lost on Sunday also? Average defense for the Pats since 07....

Sure, but Brady gets them 10+ wins/yr with an average defense. Neither of these guys would see .500 if they had to pull their weight with a team.

[10spro]

As entertaining as the NFC game was, it was the final piece of evidence that I needed to conclude that I wouldn't give you a box of rocks for either one of those QB's. Neither one of them has any command of the offense, they're both one-read and done. Neither of them has any pocket presence whatsoever. Colin Kaepernick is a thoroughbred and glorious to watch in the open field, but that's a short-lived skill set.

Either of those guys on a team with a league-average defense is going to cost you a ton of ballgames, many more than they win for you.

Actually I see many more Wilson-Kaepernicks to come. The old guard is led by true pocket passers, Manning, Brady, Drew Brees. But when you look around the landscape, at the young QB's who are excelling, most share a common makeup: They can hurt you with their arm and legs. I can't think of a young QB today that has thrived in the pocket. You look at the QB's with the potential to go high in the draft this year, and they have the same trait of the starters in the NFC championship yesterday. Now is Wilson, the face of the franchise? I see him being a guy who plays great with the sum of his parts. He just knows who he is and he knows the parts around him. He just doesn’t beat himself.

Having said that, he hasn't been at his best for the past 5 games or so. He's only in his second year, and kaepernick what, third? I see them both still developing and maybe a couple of more years from their prime. Heck, arguably Manning is playing his best stuff at 37.

Check this out: http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/14/colin-kae ... ship-game/

[Brando70]

As entertaining as the NFC game was, it was the final piece of evidence that I needed to conclude that I wouldn't give you a box of rocks for either one of those QB's. Neither one of them has any command of the offense, they're both one-read and done. Neither of them has any pocket presence whatsoever. Colin Kaepernick is a thoroughbred and glorious to watch in the open field, but that's a short-lived skill set.

Either of those guys on a team with a league-average defense is going to cost you a ton of ballgames, many more than they win for you.

I agree about Kaepernick, but Wilson is a good QB. He faced a ferocious pass rush last night. He's been careful with the ball and a pretty good decision-maker, and he is only in his second year.

[10spro]

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/20/richard-s ... -crabtree/

Sincerely Yours,

#25

If you're a fan of WWE, he's made a great audition for it, some fans and media even seem to have liked it, personally despite of his past history with Crabtree, it was just simply classless and uncalled for on Live TV.

[Danimal]

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/20/richard-s ... -crabtree/

Sincerely Yours,

#25

If you're a fan of WWE, he's made a great audition for it, some fans and media even seem to have liked it, personally despite of his past history with Crabtree, it was just simply classless and uncalled for on Live TV.

He continued to talk after the game, well after the game. I saw him on NFL Network when he was showered and dressed. I saw other interviews well after "the heat of the moment". Finally there is not a chance in hell this was written by him without his PR team looking at it. Even in this message he blames others for his actions.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions on how they perceive people. I always liked the adage "act like you've been there before" and I find it ironic that Seattle has probably one of the classiest guys in Wilson and then this dirt bag.

The thing about the "best CB's in the league" they usually last about 2-3 years and then they are nothing. Look at the recent lineup of lock down corners and where they are now. I'l agree with one thing he said. If Seattle fans were throwing food at Bowman as he was being carted off then they are classless pieces of s***.

[RobVarak]

Actually I see many more Wilson-Kaepernicks to come. The old guard is led by true pocket passers, Manning, Brady, Drew Brees. But when you look around the landscape, at the young QB's who are excelling, most share a common makeup: They can hurt you with their arm and legs. I can't think of a young QB today that has thrived in the pocket. You look at the QB's with the potential to go high in the draft this year, and they have the same trait of the starters in the NFC championship yesterday.

I completely agree with you on this, but I think it's a function of football economics more than teams trying to get the best play out of their QB's. The old model was enormously high risk. It's difficult to evaluate passers because the college and pro games are so different. The batting average of front offices was low and the cost of signing a premier pocket passer was high. You were also wedding yourself as a team to a long development curve, with players often carrying clipboards for a season or more.

With the new CBA, the risk is totally turned around. First contracts are dirt cheap. Now it incentivizes putting your rookies and other 1st contract players on the field ASAP to get maximum value. There's no reason to coddle a young QB because you'll draft a cheap replacement when he has to get paid or (more likely) meets the fate of almost every running QB in the history of the NFL and becomes ineffective due to injury.

So yes, many teams are putting in these option-heavy offenses. You have players like Kaepernick, a young veteran at this point who has been through an enormous amount of post-season football in two seasons, still looking at his wristband on every play and running 1-read pass plays like he's a rookie or a back-up.

You can clearly win this way. Spend less on QB and that frees up a tremendous amount of salary cap for other spending. There are many ways to build a team and most NFL front offices see this clearly. So I don't begrudge these players their gigs or the NFL teams for constructing their rosters this way. But I do see a significant difference between the quality of play and the offensive production that these players give you versus a traditional QB who can go through his progressions and make all of the throws on the route tree.

[RobVarak]

Actually I see many more Wilson-Kaepernicks to come. The old guard is led by true pocket passers, Manning, Brady, Drew Brees. But when you look around the landscape, at the young QB's who are excelling, most share a common makeup: They can hurt you with their arm and legs. I can't think of a young QB today that has thrived in the pocket. You look at the QB's with the potential to go high in the draft this year, and they have the same trait of the starters in the NFC championship yesterday.

I completely agree with you on this, but I think it's a function of football economics more than teams trying to get the best play out of their QB's. The old model was enormously high risk. It's difficult to evaluate passers because the college and pro games are so different. The batting average of front offices was low and the cost of signing a premier pocket passer was high. You were also wedding yourself as a team to a long development curve, with players often carrying clipboards for a season or more.

With the new CBA, the risk is totally turned around. First contracts are dirt cheap. Now it incentivizes putting your rookies and other 1st contract players on the field ASAP to get maximum value. There's no reason to coddle a young QB because you'll draft a cheap replacement when he has to get paid or (more likely) meets the fate of almost every running QB in the history of the NFL and becomes ineffective due to injury.

So yes, many teams are putting in these option-heavy offenses. You have players like Kaepernick, a young veteran at this point who has been through an enormous amount of post-season football in two seasons, still looking at his wristband on every play and running 1-read pass plays like he's a rookie or a back-up.

You can clearly win this way. Spend less on QB and that frees up a tremendous amount of salary cap for other spending. There are many ways to build a team and most NFL front offices see this clearly. So I don't begrudge these players their gigs or the NFL teams for constructing their rosters this way. But I do see a significant difference between the quality of play and the offensive production that these players give you versus a traditional QB who can go through his progressions and make all of the throws on the route tree.

[vader29]

[wco81]

Actually I see many more Wilson-Kaepernicks to come. The old guard is led by true pocket passers, Manning, Brady, Drew Brees. But when you look around the landscape, at the young QB's who are excelling, most share a common makeup: They can hurt you with their arm and legs. I can't think of a young QB today that has thrived in the pocket. You look at the QB's with the potential to go high in the draft this year, and they have the same trait of the starters in the NFC championship yesterday.

I completely agree with you on this, but I think it's a function of football economics more than teams trying to get the best play out of their QB's. The old model was enormously high risk. It's difficult to evaluate passers because the college and pro games are so different. The batting average of front offices was low and the cost of signing a premier pocket passer was high. You were also wedding yourself as a team to a long development curve, with players often carrying clipboards for a season or more.

With the new CBA, the risk is totally turned around. First contracts are dirt cheap. Now it incentivizes putting your rookies and other 1st contract players on the field ASAP to get maximum value. There's no reason to coddle a young QB because you'll draft a cheap replacement when he has to get paid or (more likely) meets the fate of almost every running QB in the history of the NFL and becomes ineffective due to injury.

So yes, many teams are putting in these option-heavy offenses. You have players like Kaepernick, a young veteran at this point who has been through an enormous amount of post-season football in two seasons, still looking at his wristband on every play and running 1-read pass plays like he's a rookie or a back-up.

You can clearly win this way. Spend less on QB and that frees up a tremendous amount of salary cap for other spending. There are many ways to build a team and most NFL front offices see this clearly. So I don't begrudge these players their gigs or the NFL teams for constructing their rosters this way. But I do see a significant difference between the quality of play and the offensive production that these players give you versus a traditional QB who can go through his progressions and make all of the throws on the route tree.

Well 49ers will probably have to give Kap an extension this offseason and the Seahawks will do the same for Wilson after next offseason, if not sooner.

The market for QBs is such that they have to give backloaded contracts and try to retain as many good players as you can.

I wish Kap was better in the pocket but there have been several QBs who've won Superbowls as playmakers, extending plays and creating big gains, like Rothlisberger.

And Eli has two Superbowl rings not because he plays like his brother but because he made a Houdini-like escape in the final drive to set up a game-winning TD.

It's a passing league but teams with run-first orientation still have done well.

[Inuyasha]

GODdell wants to get rid of PATs now :

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10324 ... -abolished

[MERACE]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions on how they perceive people. I always liked the adage "act like you've been there before" and I find it ironic that Seattle has probably one of the classiest guys in Wilson and then this dirt bag.

That's one of the things that I liked the most about Barry Sanders. When he scored a touchdown he simply handed the ball to the referee and then celebrated with his teammates.


-MERACE

[RobVarak]

Well 49ers will probably have to give Kap an extension this offseason and the Seahawks will do the same for Wilson after next offseason, if not sooner.

The 49ers might do that, but I think that would kill them over the long term. Gore is past it and they need to keep that defense at the top of the heap if they want to continue to excel and that's where they should spend their dough. Paying Kaepernick big money (especially some of the crazy numbers that were being bandied about before the NFC Championship loss) would be an awful mistake, I think. They don't have to extend him for a few seasons. I think I'd wait as long as I could to make sure that he's still got his wheels to make that second contract worth it.

Roethlisberger extended plays, but he has long been a QB who can both make all the throws and is happy to run through his progressions. Watching Kaepernick all season, I just don't see that. He has a tremendous arm, but you just don't see him making a lot of pass plays out of the system. As a result he gets hit more (like Big Ben, for sure, but exacerbated because of the number of designed runs and scrambles) and is prone to stretches where the offense just stalls.

[wco81]

If Kap and his agent can get one team to offer the kinds of contracts other QBs have been getting, the 49ers may have no choice. I don't know their exact cap situation but they've been able to get by the past couple of years with a low-salaried QB and still have a good season. Seattle as well.

But they would have to choose between paying what he could command and letting him walk. And right now they have no alternatives. They have some older players too, whose cap numbers are going to go up every year. Gore could be a cap casualty (they have 3 young RBs on the roster) and the LBs, except for Aldon Smith, are all on big contracts.


Rothlisberger definitely has better pocket presence and situational awareness as well as seeing the field well. But in at least one of those SB campaigns, he carried his team by making plays, often pump faking several times in a play to get the defense out of position, keeping plays alive for 5 seconds or more, and finding wide open receivers. I'm not saying that's sustainable but some players/teams have had success with it.

Some team may draft Manziel in the first round on the assumption that he could make those kinds of plays.

Kap will have to be more than a playmaker but the 49ers or some other team may give him a big contract before he's demonstrated he's a better QB.

[Brando70]

If the Niners don't pay him, someone will. I think if a GM was ranking QBs, it would be hard to put CK too far down the list. I see the tiers roughly like this:

Peyton
Brady
Brees
Rodgers

Big Ben
Matt Ryan
Russell Wilson

Eli
Rivers
Romo
Foles
Cam
Kaepernick
Andrew Luck
Flacco
Cutler
Stafford

So I don't see him as worse than top 15 right now, and at least 3-4 guys ahead of him are getting close to retirement. The issue is that I think he could plummet more than just about anyone on that list. I would be scared to give him what the market is going to say he should get.

[10spro]

Russell Wilson will get his raise for sure and it'll be well worth it. It'll come at the cost of the young secondary where Carroll won't be able to keep them all.

[XXXIV]

Russell Wilson will get his raise for sure

He will get paid as will ck. Time will tell the rest.