Tiger Woods 13 PGA TOUR and CE Info

[orthostud23]

Tim:

The problem I have with zooming down to the ball when putting is the stupid wording that gets in the way of my seeing the line to the hole.


-MERACE

You can still see it if you bring the stick back slowly and possibly do it more than once. You get the majority of your information from the ball lie and you can actually see more of the slope from behind the cup....at least that has been my experience.

This is exactly how I read the greens, check lie, zoom in on the frontal read, then read the green from behind the cup, aim my marker and putt. When you hit the 20+ foot putts it feels like a nice accomplishment.

[Danimal]

To read the greens without the grid, you use your non-shot stick to pull down to see your lie. It will tell you if the ball is above or below your feet and whether it is up or downhill. If your ball is 2 degrees below your feet and downhill, then you know that the beginning of the putt will be a downhill L>R break. Also take a look at the horizon when you are looking at your ball lie and see if you can notice which way the green is sloping R or L and look at the cup to see if there is a slope L or R as well.

Yes but as you just said anything that is over 10-15 feet or a double breaker is impossible to read. Now if you could put your aiming marker anywhere on the green then pull down and get the same info it would work.

Or better yet give us a 3d coutour green display.

[DivotMaker]

Not impossible, but far more challenging and much more like putting in real life.

I don't know about you, but I can put my cursor anywhere I want on the green now, so what is your point?

I agree that a 3D contour view would be better, but until they go to a full 3D view in the game, you will never be able to read greens exactly like you can in real life. I would also like to read the grain of the green too, but we need new console hardware to get that kind of rendering fidelity.

[Danimal]

Not impossible, but far more challenging and much more like putting in real life.

I have to disagree. In real life I can read a putt from every angle. I can walk to line, see the grain of the green, look for the drainage areas. There are at least a half dozen things I can do in real life to read a putt. In this game all I can do without green grids is get one slope read to my knowledge.

I don't know about you, but I can put my cursor anywhere I want on the green now, so what is your point?

You can put your cursor anywhere on the green and pull down and get slope information? So you can pull down on the stick get slope and then move it say 10 feet past the hole pull it down again and get a different slope reading?

[J_Cauthen]

Hadn't had much of a chance for foruming these last few days. Really heavy in my job right now. I am playing our Club Daily, but that's it. Hope to have time tomorrow evening to get my Daily and final round of Weekly in before the deadline.... pretty sure I will. I just have to make sure I play the Weekly first, unlike I did last week.

[DivotMaker]

I have to disagree. In real life I can read a putt from every angle. I can walk to line, see the grain of the green, look for the drainage areas. There are at least a half dozen things I can do in real life to read a putt. In this game all I can do without green grids is get one slope read to my knowledge.

No s*** Dan? You can do all of that IRL? Wow....You need to quit your day job and go on the PGA TOUR....

Seriously though, you can put cursor anywhere on the green and get an idea of the slope in that area unless you have a very shitty TV or monitor. Does the zoomed cursor give you slope information in degrees? Nope, you got me there. I and others CAN read the greens without grids. You've made your point that you don't like to putt without grids so put grids in every damn tournament then and be done with it. I am tired of defending my opinion that the greens can be read without the grids.

You can put your cursor anywhere on the green and pull down and get slope information? So you can pull down on the stick get slope and then move it say 10 feet past the hole pull it down again and get a different slope reading?

I can see the slope ANYWHERE on the green by placing the zoomed cursor in a location and moving the camera around it, so YES I can. Can I get the actual degrees of slope? No, not with the cursor, but I don't need it to putt pretty well. I don't need the actual slope data because I look at the horizon of the green and slope at the cup just like I do when I play IRL Golf.

I guess you overlooked the fact that I agreed with you about the 3D contour. As I said above, I am tired of defending my opinion about putting. You have a different opinion. So be it. Set the tournaments how you like them so we can stop arguing about this and just freaking play the game.

[Danimal]

No s*** Dan? You can do all of that IRL? Wow....You need to quit your day job and go on the PGA TOUR....

Good luck to you Divot but there was no call for this response so I am done with you.

[DivotMaker]

No s*** Dan? You can do all of that IRL? Wow....You need to quit your day job and go on the PGA TOUR....

Good luck to you Divot but there was no call for this response so I am done with you.

You are "done with me" over that? Your previous comments in the previous post were just as uncalled for as you were arguing points for the sake of arguing.

Lastly, let's look at my comments that have so offended you....

Can you really read greens IRL? If so, can you read them accurately? We all know that a green can be read better in real life (actual 3D). Tiger 13 and every single video Golf game before it has been played in 2D. There ARE limitations when rendering in 2D and reading greens in 2D. You act as if it is impossible to read greens in TW13 and myself and a number of others say they can read them without grids as well. You have your opinions and myself and others have theirs. You have also made a point of contradicting and/or arguing with me when I comment on this subject. I guess it is okay for you to make ridiculous analogies comparing TW13 and real Golf, but God forbid if you get anything like it thrown back at you. If you are "done with me", I guess I will get in that line with others who have pissed you off, but at the end of the day, you made this personal when it did not have to be. I will be content to agree to disagree, but if you are "done with me", then that is your loss, not mine.

If you have anything further to say to me, please take it to PM so this thread can get back on topic.

[Danimal]

as you were arguing points for the sake of arguing.

LMAO.

End thread.

[Danimal]

ddtrane I cleared you a spot in the club check your PM.

[DivotMaker]

LMAO.

End thread.

GEEZUS.......

[10spro]

I would just love to hit the type of flop lob shot that Tiger hit today at the Memorial on #16 in this game.

[10spro]

I am so far the only guy in the black on the daily at ST Andrews but with the tournament pin placement, putting at #11 and #17 was total BS. On #17, I had the ball a foot short of the hole when it rolls down on me 15 feet and I end up taking a double instead of a clear birdie. And I think that on #11, putting uphill some 25ft was absolutely futile. Why doesn't the game freeze on me on those moments?

[TheTruth]

I am so far the only guy in the black on the daily at ST Andrews but with the tournament pin placement, putting at #11 and #17 was total BS. On #17, I had the ball a foot short of the hole when it rolls down on me 15 feet and I end up taking a double instead of a clear birdie. And I think that on #11, putting uphill some 25ft was absolutely futile. Why doesn't the game freeze on me on those moments?

You are not the only one. 17 really got me. I was -4 after 9… finished +7. 18 got me too, but after 17 I was just laughing and had mailed it in.

[vader29]

I had trouble with 17 also, birdie putt from the bottom of the hill misses and rolls back down off the green, then chip it on short of the hole, then fearing another putt missing and rolling down the hill I give it a little extra and the putt goes past the hole and then finally hit a 5 footer from above the hole for a double bogey.

[DivotMaker]

I had trouble with 17 also, birdie putt from the bottom of the hill misses and rolls back down off the green, then chip it on short of the hole, then fearing another putt missing and rolling down the hill I give it a little extra and the putt goes past the hole and then finally hit a 5 footer from above the hole for a double bogey.

I got lucky with 17...hit my approach into the rough behind the hole and could only get it to 7' from the pin and the putt was a downhill L>R breaker which I somehow managed to sink for a par. Had it going in the first 9 with a -7, but came to 18 only -11 and managed to fubar that approach and par putt to end up with a bogey and -10. Wilk was on the course this AM as well and between he and Ortho, I don't see -10 holding up very long.

[ddtrane]

First of all, I'm a grids on/caddy off guy, so putting without the grids will take some getting used to. Wouldn't it be nice if you could hold up you wedge or iron like the pros to see how the green is breaking? Maybe that's something the devs can put in TW PGA 14. Otherwise this game is my most played EA game. I play a ton offline and it never gets old.

You can read the greens without the grid, but you can't read them as well on the longer putts as you can with a grid obviously.

To read the greens without the grid, you use your non-shot stick to pull down to see your lie. It will tell you if the ball is above or below your feet and whether it is up or downhill. If your ball is 2 degrees below your feet and downhill, then you know that the beginning of the putt will be a downhill L>R break. Also take a look at the horizon when you are looking at your ball lie and see if you can notice which way the green is sloping R or L and look at the cup to see if there is a slope L or R as well.

Before you putt, you then use the same non-shot stick to zoom out to the cup. Bring the cup directly centered with your ball and then hold the stick down to look at the slope near the cup. This should give you a better indication how the putt will break at the cup. The longer the putt, the harder it is to determine the slope of the entire putt, just like IRL Golf.....

Good Luck and let me know if you have any further questions.....

Thanks for your tips, I'm. Going to the practice range to practice your advice.

[ddtrane]

ddtrane I cleared you a spot in the club check your PM.

Thanks Danimal.

[DivotMaker]

Welcome to the club dd! Let us know if you have any questions about putting without the grids.

[Wilk5280]

I had trouble with 17 also, birdie putt from the bottom of the hill misses and rolls back down off the green, then chip it on short of the hole, then fearing another putt missing and rolling down the hill I give it a little extra and the putt goes past the hole and then finally hit a 5 footer from above the hole for a double bogey.

I got lucky with 17...hit my approach into the rough behind the hole and could only get it to 7' from the pin and the putt was a downhill L>R breaker which I somehow managed to sink for a par. Had it going in the first 9 with a -7, but came to 18 only -11 and managed to fubar that approach and par putt to end up with a bogey and -10. Wilk was on the course this AM as well and between he and Ortho, I don't see -10 holding up very long.

I should have done better than my -8 but I had a double bogey and then another bogey on holes that weren't mentioned as troublesome in this thread. Also missed at least 2 other birdie chances as well.

[ddtrane]

I was -2 until 10 or 11, then I exceeded the shot limit. I come to 17 shooting a +6 and shot +4 and finished with a healthy 12 over. Still had fun anyway, heck somebody has to be last in to lock the door.

[ddtrane]

Welcome to the club dd! Let us know if you have any questions about putting without the grids.

Thanks. It seems tough, but time is what I have.

[J_Cauthen]

Welcome to the DSP CC ddtrane!

[J_Cauthen]

You are not the only one. 17 really got me. I was -4 after 9… finished +7. 18 got me too, but after 17 I was just laughing and had mailed it in.

That might be the worst pin placement I've ever seen in this game, and that's saying a lot! I hit my approach 5 feet below the hole. My birdie putt made an abrupt, 45 degree break at that ridiculously sharp crown and I ran it 5 feet by. I had to make a knee knocking 5 foot downhill, left to righter to make par. If it had missed, I'd have been off the green and on my way to a dreaded "SLE"

St. Andrews is my least favorite course to play in the game for some reason. I don't know why, but it seems like something out of a cartoon than a modeled reality. It just doesn't come anywhere close to capturing the atmosphere of this great venue.

[J_Cauthen]

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