Tiger Woods 13 PGA TOUR and CE Info

[Danimal]

Guys like Spooky always wanted in I think. DDtrane wanted in a few pages back, and sounds like he's playing daily. You may want to PM them to confirm.

Everytime we had an opening I tried to contact Spooky. ddtrane just PM me I will get him in tonight and boot someone. I can see who is and who is not playing it will be easy.

[DChaps]

So yes we'll disagree that this game can produce realistic scores. Sure maybe a round here or there but in a tournament setting with CAG's maxed out not a chance.

You hit the nail on the head there. If I remember correctly you had this fantastic idea of having the ability to cap the attributes when we setup a daily or weekly. I think there is more potential for the game to produce real life scores if the hardest setting also had the ability to put a cap on the attributes. If the CC Admin setups had the option of creating weeklys and dailys where you could only have a certain amount that everyone could then choose to apply how they see fit, maybe you could come closer to realistic scores. It would be better than just choosing the same PRO, or using a PRO who already has ridiculous attributes. Plus, there would still be some strategy in how a player chooses to distribute the points to play to an individuals strengths or weaknesses. My guess is the top players would still remain exactly the same, but the gaps might be less, and the scrores closer to real world golf scores. And hopefully this would be without requiring setting the courses up in unrealistically difficult ways (super windy, super fast greens, etc.)

Either way, I agree that despite the annoying bugs and the lack of online stat features, this is the most I have played a golf game in years.

We should start a wish list of features/fixes, because at least with Tim on our side there is a chance that it could get put in front of some devs or suits at EA that might take a listen.

[MERACE]

I think I need to clarify or restate my 2nd reason for losing some interest in the CC tournaments.

I should have said: "slim to no chance of at least being competitive in this tournament". I'm not the type of person that is obsessed with winning. However, I do like to feel that I have at least a reasonable chance at coming close to winning a tournament.

I believe that the real obstacle for me is the time-frame that I have available to play my tournament rounds. I'm playing so late at night that it not only affects how well I play but I often fall asleep and never finish my round.

I will continue to regularly play in the CC tournament rounds but if you (Danimal) feel that my participation is not at an acceptable level I fully understand your need to boot me out of the DSP CC.


-MERACE

[Danimal]

Guys there are names in the club I don't even recognize who haven't played in one round. Don't worry about being bounced.

[10spro]

II will continue to regularly play in the CC tournament rounds but if you (Danimal) feel that my participation is not at an acceptable level I fully understand your need to boot me out of the DSP CC.


-MERACE

I don't think you should worried about being booted out. You have played regularly, get some decent ZZZZ and hop back on anytime man.

[10spro]

Please give me a week or so to see if I get back into playing DSP tournaments regularly. I just returned from nearly three weeks at Indy, so I'm trying to get a bunch of loose ends tied up, getting back into the rhythm of "regular" life.

I'll be happy to surrender my DSP club membership to good guys like Trane or Spooky if I don't find time or desire to resume my DSP PGA career.

Take advantage of the dailies where the XP boost pins are allowed to build up your CAG. At least you show interest in getting back to the saddle.

[DivotMaker]

Well, I have been DQ'd from the Weekly as my first attempt in the final round ended up with me re-starting because I could not get out of some bushes from an errant drive and the game crashed on me. My second attempt at the final round had me at -5 through 10 holes when I had to go take a leak and came back to a frozen screen. Good luck to you all in this tournament and Royal Birkdale can kiss my royal @ss.....

[10spro]

Sorry to hear that DM. Not that it would have mattered but when I played rounds 3 and 4, I had the warning notice saying that I could only play the rounds only 1 time. So I kept saying, what about if the damn game froze on me.

Any news on a patch fixing the freezes?

[Gangrel]

I think that while this game is really fun, it still doesn't go far enough to simulate a real round of professional golf and the risk/reward/punishment that a PGA player faces every shot, let alone every round.

I think a person can score very well shooting only straight shots, even from weird places, and if you stick with that, you're never in danger because the ball will always go where you want it to go.

However IRL, guys are trying to hit draws, fades, baby cuts, whatever, to make the ball land softer on the green, or roll out more on the fairway, etd. THAT is where the real danger lies in this game, but you're never force to do it.

I know when I try to play something other then a straight shot, i have a big risk of missing the fairway or whatnot. THOSE are the decisions that should be made on almost every shot. Not "follow the aiming marker and see exactly how much the ball will probably roll out using the arrows".

This being said, I am having a lot of fun with this game, and I know its the CC that's the reason. If it was only single player, i'd probably have given up by now. Heck, I can't even remember the last round i played single player......

[btmmayor]

THOSE are the decisions that should be made on almost every shot. Not "follow the aiming marker and see exactly how much the ball will probably roll out using the arrows".

This is exactly the reason I no longer play the Tiger series of games.

[webdanzer]

I'll still play either way, but I have decided that I prefer grids/no caddy better over no grids/caddy for putting.

I'm actually better at no grids/caddy now, I think, but I feel like taking the caddy's advice and then slightly diverging from it if necessary based on your stroke requires less 'skill' than actually reading the grids.

[Naples39]

I'm not sure what the best thing to do is regarding putting.

Maybe it's because my putting rating is up into the low 80s now, but I'm finding the caddie's advice to be very accurate. His recommendation is highly dependent on proper pace, but if I simply aim for the middle of his mark and pace it right it will go in or stop within 18 inches of the hole. The only time I really have to diverge is when I hit it hard enough to run past the hole (which is often), and I'll have to play less of a break than he recommends.

Either way, putting for me is very much cruise control now without much thinking.

[DivotMaker]

THOSE are the decisions that should be made on almost every shot. Not "follow the aiming marker and see exactly how much the ball will probably roll out using the arrows".

This is exactly the reason I no longer play the Tiger series of games.

Ok, I'll bite...care to elaborate?

[DChaps]

I think a person can score very well shooting only straight shots, even from weird places, and if you stick with that, you're never in danger because the ball will always go where you want it to go.

However IRL, guys are trying to hit draws, fades, baby cuts, whatever, to make the ball land softer on the green, or roll out more on the fairway, etd. THAT is where the real danger lies in this game, but you're never force to do it.

I know when I try to play something other then a straight shot, i have a big risk of missing the fairway or whatnot. THOSE are the decisions that should be made on almost every shot. Not "follow the aiming marker and see exactly how much the ball will probably roll out using the arrows".

This being said, I am having a lot of fun with this game, and I know its the CC that's the reason. If it was only single player, i'd probably have given up by now. Heck, I can't even remember the last round i played single player......

I don't know if it because of my lack of skill , lack of CAG attributes, or combination thereof, but those are the kind of decisions I am having to make each hole, particularly on the weekly rounds where conditions seem to be more difficult. Having the caddy set to manual and being able to view and try to execute those recommendations has really helped improve my strategy when making a shot, particularly in windy situations where I know a straight shot is going to wind up in the sand or rough.

[DivotMaker]

I don't know if it because of my lack of skill , lack of CAG attributes, or combination thereof, but those are the kind of decisions I am having to make each hole, particularly on the weekly rounds where conditions seem to be more difficult. Having the caddy set to manual and being able to view and try to execute those recommendations has really helped improve my strategy when making a shot, particularly in windy situations where I know a straight shot is going to wind up in the sand or rough.

Same here and I believe it is not due to lack of skill, CAG attributes, or a combination thereof because I am faced with making the same decisions on every shot, moreso from the approach shot and short game/putting....

[Leadfoot5]

For me, each shot is:

1) Check lie, adjust for slope and uphill/downhill lie as necessary
2) Check distance, apply loft to zero in on target if necessary
3) Check wind, adjust as necessary
4) Check hazards, play more to one area to reduce risk if necessary
5) If 1-4 aren't getting me to where I want to be, use fade/draw as a last resort.

Plenty of decisions each shot. Now, that being said, I can go through 1-4 about in about 5s for every shot, so I still zip through a round pretty quick. BUt this game is not as simple as following an arrow marker and hitting your shot. Not if you want to score really well...

[Gangrel]

For me, each shot is:

1) Check lie, adjust for slope and uphill/downhill lie as necessary
2) Check distance, apply loft to zero in on target if necessary
3) Check wind, adjust as necessary
4) Check hazards, play more to one area to reduce risk if necessary
5) If 1-4 aren't getting me to where I want to be, use fade/draw as a last resort.

Plenty of decisions each shot. Now, that being said, I can go through 1-4 about in about 5s for every shot, so I still zip through a round pretty quick. BUt this game is not as simple as following an arrow marker and hitting your shot. Not if you want to score really well...

But see, to me, you should need to use #5 on every shot, not just as a last resort.

You should be forced to try fading the ball into the pin to have it land softer.......

I am by no means a great golfer in real life, but I would imagine almost every shot on the PGA has some kind of bend to it, whether to coax the ball around the course shape, to shoot safely into greens, or to try to make the ball stick and attack the pins.

But since we can zoom in and aim and see markers, there's no guessing. I think if they brought back Tru aim, and you're aiming from where you stood, you'd be forced more to try the tricky shots.

I dunno, maybe not........ if all this was changed, my scores would get worse, so maybe I should just keep quiet.

Like I said before, I enjoy the game, and I enjoy plahing you guys even if i'm 40 strokes off the lead.

I'm a sucker for punishment.

[DivotMaker]

But see, to me, you should need to use #5 on every shot, not just as a last resort.

You should be forced to try fading the ball into the pin to have it land softer.......


But since we can zoom in and aim and see markers, there's no guessing. I think if they brought back Tru aim, and you're aiming from where you stood, you'd be forced more to try the tricky shots.

I'm a sucker for punishment.

Why? When hitting the ball straight will accomplish what you want out of the shot? If you want it to land softer, hit it further up in your stance for more loft. Why punish yourself when the real game of Golf and this video game punish us enough already?

I agree that bringing TW11 TruAim back would make this game even more challenging and scores more realistic. With you 100% there.

I think you are.....

[ddtrane]

For me, each shot is:

1) Check lie, adjust for slope and uphill/downhill lie as necessary
2) Check distance, apply loft to zero in on target if necessary
3) Check wind, adjust as necessary
4) Check hazards, play more to one area to reduce risk if necessary
5) If 1-4 aren't getting me to where I want to be, use fade/draw as a last resort.

Plenty of decisions each shot. Now, that being said, I can go through 1-4 about in about 5s for every shot, so I still zip through a round pretty quick. BUt this game is not as simple as following an arrow marker and hitting your shot. Not if you want to score really well...

THANK YOU!!!!! I wished it was easy as lining up the markers and swinging. So many decisions to be made, variables to be taken into consideration, and then consequences to ponder.

This is not checkers, this is chess.

[orthostud23]

On the draw/fade topic: I use the draw shot on one course and that is Augusta. In the weekly this week I didnt hit one draw/fade. Like DM says there really is no need to.

Now IRL I try to hit draw/fades more than half the time. I am trying to coerce the ball to hit a certain area and use the spin on the draw/fade to get it closer to the hole.

On the weekly I was able to have only one good round which landed me a shot in front of Wilk. JC still has a round to play and only needs to shoot a -6 which I think he will shoot with his eyes close. BUT if you dont want to higher than a -6 I would be ok with that as well.

[10spro]

At the Els Club, I went for a swim not once but twice in the same freaking #15 hole as I misjudged the wind and overall distance.

[ddtrane]

First of all, I'm a grids on/caddy off guy, so putting without the grids will take some getting used to. Wouldn't it be nice if you could hold up you wedge or iron like the pros to see how the green is breaking? Maybe that's something the devs can put in TW PGA 14. Otherwise this game is my most played EA game. I play a ton offline and it never gets old.

[DivotMaker]

First of all, I'm a grids on/caddy off guy, so putting without the grids will take some getting used to. Wouldn't it be nice if you could hold up you wedge or iron like the pros to see how the green is breaking? Maybe that's something the devs can put in TW PGA 14. Otherwise this game is my most played EA game. I play a ton offline and it never gets old.

You can read the greens without the grid, but you can't read them as well on the longer putts as you can with a grid obviously.

To read the greens without the grid, you use your non-shot stick to pull down to see your lie. It will tell you if the ball is above or below your feet and whether it is up or downhill. If your ball is 2 degrees below your feet and downhill, then you know that the beginning of the putt will be a downhill L>R break. Also take a look at the horizon when you are looking at your ball lie and see if you can notice which way the green is sloping R or L and look at the cup to see if there is a slope L or R as well.

Before you putt, you then use the same non-shot stick to zoom out to the cup. Bring the cup directly centered with your ball and then hold the stick down to look at the slope near the cup. This should give you a better indication how the putt will break at the cup. The longer the putt, the harder it is to determine the slope of the entire putt, just like IRL Golf.....

Good Luck and let me know if you have any further questions.....

[MERACE]

Tim:

The problem I have with zooming down to the ball when putting is the stupid wording that gets in the way of my seeing the line to the hole.


-MERACE

[DivotMaker]

Tim:

The problem I have with zooming down to the ball when putting is the stupid wording that gets in the way of my seeing the line to the hole.


-MERACE

You can still see it if you bring the stick back slowly and possibly do it more than once. You get the majority of your information from the ball lie and you can actually see more of the slope from behind the cup....at least that has been my experience.