Tiger Woods 13 PGA TOUR and CE Info

[J_Cauthen]

I never saw wind above 3-5 MPH in my round played at 7AM CDT today....

I just went back and looked at the still in progress Daily at Kiawah. It's as I suspected; the Weather is set to "Live Feed", but the wind shows "Calm", even though it really isn't set to "Calm". I wish EA had put "Live" in that field rather than "Calm", because it is misleading.

[DivotMaker]

IMO, Live Weather is fine, but I will play either setting. None of us will be playing at the same time, so I don't think it makes that much difference. One idea is to mix things up by setting Breezy instead of Live Weather from time to time to keep things mixed up. Throw in Wind Gusts on the LW tournaments and every once in a while on the Breezy tournaments. I agree that Windy can be too overbearing but a Gusty setting might be interesting. Having to play the winds in Golf is very challenging, especially when the winds vary in strength.

[webdanzer]

I've weighed in on this before, but I don't like live weather when all of us are playing at different times of the day due to our schedules. We should all be playing the tournament rounds in the same conditions.

I remember your taking this position a few weeks back and I appreciate your reaffirming it here. I'll go with the majority on this because I don't have a firm position. The only think I don't like about fixed weather conditions is that the wind usually seems to be overwhelming in anything above "Breezy" conditions. Windy usually means high teens to mid 20's, in my experience. If Breezy was 6 - 11 MPH, Windy 12 - 19 MPH, and Gale Force 20 MPH+, it would seem more reasonable.

Let's get some more input on this; I'd like to find a good balance.

I don't really care much either way, but I'm not sure why we would decide to hold firm on 'equal weather conditions for all' when folks are using CAGS of greatly varying abilities, using various souped-up clubs, etc...

[Wilk5280]

Guys I don't really care either way, but let's look at this realistically. Not every pro golfer in real life has the same ability, uses the same clubs, balls, etc. Also, depending on what time they tee off it's very possible that the afternoon guys see totally different conditions than the morning folks, and vice versa.

Put the weather on whatever everyone wants, I guess and let players use whatever golfer they want. CAG, Pro, TIGER I don't care. Does it really matter at this point? There's like 8 of us playing consistently.

The only thing that I'm not really open to is making everyone use the same pro all time (to even the playing field). Other than that whatever settings people want I got no beef with.

[Danimal]

I don't really care much either way, but I'm not sure why we would decide to hold firm on 'equal weather conditions for all' when folks are using CAGS of greatly varying abilities, using various souped-up clubs, etc...

THANK YOU!

[TheTruth]

I don't care either way. But lean towards mixing it up and using all options available. Use live weather one day and controlled weather the next daily. Same with the Weekly's weather - live weather one week, controlled weather the next week. The more the variety the better I say.

And if you want to use a pro golfer go for it. If it gets more people playing I am all for it.

[Leadfoot5]

I don't really care much either way, but I'm not sure why we would decide to hold firm on 'equal weather conditions for all' when folks are using CAGS of greatly varying abilities, using various souped-up clubs, etc...

THANK YOU!

Wow. I know I should just shut up now but.... So both of you are fine playing in a 4 round tourney, 2to 3 hours of your time, where you might be battling gale 15+ MPH winds but someone like Hogz (not trying to pick on you Hogz!!) had a slight breeze? I'm just shaking my head in disbelief over here. We all have an opportunity to get out CAGS topped out, so the "varying abilities" argument doesn't work with me. I want to feel like on an equal day, if I shoot the game of my life, I have a chance to come out on top. If my CAG is better, it's because I've earned it, not because I got lucky with LIVE CAG settings (for lack of a better example). For me, the wind is always the difference between a great round, and an average round. I have to think it's like that for others also.

I love you guys (and the matches!!!), but I just don't get where you are coming from on this one ...

Thanks for letting me vent and not kicking me out of the club.

[webdanzer]

I never saw wind above 3-5 MPH in my round played at 7AM CDT today....

I just went back and looked at the still in progress Daily at Kiawah. It's as I suspected; the Weather is set to "Live Feed", but the wind shows "Calm", even though it really isn't set to "Calm". I wish EA had put "Live" in that field rather than "Calm", because it is misleading.

I'll vouch for the live weather being on for this. I just rushed to get my round in, and winds never fell below 14mph!

[webdanzer]

.... you are fine playing in a 4 round tourney where you might be battling gale 15+ MPH winds but Hogz had a slight breeze?

Sure! In a game where folks can have better clubs because they spent money to be an EA MVP, or have better attributes because they have more time in their day to play games than I do, or get multiple chances at a round because they have a flakier internet connection, yes, this is truly no issue.

We all have an opportunity to get out CAGS topped out, so the "varying abilities" argument doesn't work with me. I want to feel like on an equal day, if I shoot the game of my life, I have a chance to come out on top. If my CAG is better, it's because I've earned it, not because I got lucky with LIVE CAG settings (for lack of a better example).

The more you play, the better your abilities get. Are you really saying that all of us, with our varied lifestyles and ability to commit to playing games, have an equal opportunity to play Tiger Woods 13?

And, sarcasm, you have the same 24 hours in a day that the rest of us have, so you have the opportunity to play during the same time as the Hogz in your example, and get the same low winds...

Just for giggles, here are our current cup top 10, along with the # of holes each has played as of about 7:30 EDT today:

Ortho - 2354
HOGZ - 2619
Divot - 2281
JCauthen - 3996
Webdanzer - 1878
Naples - 2246
Leadfoot - 2407
Wilk - 3797
Vader - 3667
10spro - 5265

[Leadfoot5]

The more you play, the better your abilities get. Are you really saying that all of us, with our varied lifestyles and ability to commit to playing games, have an equal opportunity to play Tiger Woods 13?

Over months and months, yes. I'd expect that with all of the daily's and such, by the time we are half-way through our season, we will likely all have our CAG's maxed out. Could be wrong, but that's where I'm coming from.

And, sarcasm, you have the same 24 hours in a day that the rest of us have, so you have the opportunity to play during the same time as the Hogz in your example, and get the same low winds...

That's not exactly my point. My point is that we don't know when the good conditions will be there, so it's a crapshoot. I'm trying to avoid the case where the the low handicap player gets the bonus of good weather and the high handicap player gets penalized with random shitty weather.

This is all kind of a non-issue I guess, since I'm having fun and scoring well. It's just the principle that's bugging me.

[orthostud23]

I really dont care what the settings are for the daily or weekly's. The only setting I truly don't like is if I am "forced" to use a certain pro golfer.

Now time to go and play the daily.

[J_Cauthen]

It's good to get some preferences on this. Ideally, I understand where Leadfoot is coming from regarding the wind. On work nights, I play as soon as I get home from work at ~ 7:15 AM EDT, on work days, I can vary my start time by about an hour and a half - from 7:15 PM until 8:45 PM. I just have to take what Mother Nature deals me on those days. I haven't really pondered it too much when playing on those days, but I can cite examples of days where I know I was behind the 8-ball. Wind does play the most significant factor in shaping the overall difficulty, IMO. How 'bout we play a mix of Live and fixed weather for the rest of the week, and see how it goes?

[Gangrel]

Just to throw my two cents in.......

I have no problems with Live Weather, and I think they should all be live weather myself. I mean, as someone else brought up, the pros that tee off at 7am in a real PGA event often have much varied conditions then later tee offs.

Ya, sure, at some point we all get screwed because of the weather, but that's just golf.

If you want to even up the weather for everyone, then one could argue we all need to use CAGs with the exact same stats and clubs.

I guess it all depends on what we want to do. If we all want a level field, then fine, make the weather the same for everyoine. But I kinda like the idea of simulating the varying conditions of golf. Why, if I had my way, the actual course conditions would change depending on the time of day too, from soft to hard, especially on the greens.......

[Danimal]

I'm sorry Lead your argument makes no sense. If you really wanted equal footing we would play with golfers with identical stats and same weather conditions. You can't have it both ways. So it's ok that you have more overall time to put in and you golfer has better stats but it's not ok that people can play at hours with better weather conditions?

The bottom line is no one wants fair conditions if they did there wouldn't be a caveat from people. What's funny is it's all the guys at the top who have conditions. Live Weather, not live weather, only want to use their cag's etc. I'll also not the guys finishing in the bottom week in and week out aren't saying boo. Some guys haven't broken par in a tournament and they aren't complaining.

EA could easily fix this if they wanted to next year. Simply implement a fair play option in tournaments or CC in that you set an attribute total and if the FP option is set you can't use a CAg that has more points then that total. Simple solution, problem solved.

[Danimal]

Oh and for the record the last 2 weekly haven't used live weather. It's been same conditions with gusts on and random on. So I'm really not sure what the issue is in the weekly to begin with. All you need to do is finish in the top 16 overall and you're in the match play at the end of the year.

Personally I have a bigger issue with the multiple tries we need to leave on because of Tiger crashing. Call my cynical or untrusting but that bugs me more then anything.

[Wilk5280]

.... you are fine playing in a 4 round tourney where you might be battling gale 15+ MPH winds but Hogz had a slight breeze?

Sure! In a game where folks can have better clubs because they spent money to be an EA MVP, or have better attributes because they have more time in their day to play games than I do, or get multiple chances at a round because they have a flakier internet connection, yes, this is truly no issue.

We all have an opportunity to get out CAGS topped out, so the "varying abilities" argument doesn't work with me. I want to feel like on an equal day, if I shoot the game of my life, I have a chance to come out on top. If my CAG is better, it's because I've earned it, not because I got lucky with LIVE CAG settings (for lack of a better example).

The more you play, the better your abilities get. Are you really saying that all of us, with our varied lifestyles and ability to commit to playing games, have an equal opportunity to play Tiger Woods 13?

And, sarcasm, you have the same 24 hours in a day that the rest of us have, so you have the opportunity to play during the same time as the Hogz in your example, and get the same low winds...

Just for giggles, here are our current cup top 10, along with the # of holes each has played as of about 7:30 EDT today:

Ortho - 2354
HOGZ - 2619
Divot - 2281
JCauthen - 3996
Webdanzer - 1878
Naples - 2246
Leadfoot - 2407
Wilk - 3797
Vader - 3667
10spro - 5265

For the record, I just choose not to play any other games, or hardly any other games, than TW13 since its release. I have a very busy life as most with a 45-50 hour work week, a daughter that has soccer 2 nights a week and dance another night, I run anywhere from 40-60 miles a week in training for ultra marathons, and oh yeah.. a wife to boot. Who needs sleep anyway?

[Leadfoot5]

I'm sorry Lead your argument makes no sense.

Nor does yours, IMO. Back to golf!

[Leadfoot5]

What's funny is it's all the guys at the top who have conditions. Live Weather, not live weather, only want to use their cag's etc. I'll also not the guys finishing in the bottom week in and week out aren't saying boo. Some guys haven't broken par in a tournament and they aren't complaining.

That's a completely shitty thing to say Dan. First, I WAS at the bottom when this competition started. Now I'm in the middle, not the top. Second, I voiced an opinion when the organizers were looking for feedback. I'm not making "conditions" - I'm trying to be involved. Man, you can be such an ass sometimes. I'll just keep quiet now since you clearly don't care to hear about any opinions but your own over a god damn video game. Thanks for keeping this fun. Good job.

[Wilk5280]

EA could easily fix this if they wanted to next year. Simply implement a fair play option in tournaments or CC in that you set an attribute total and if the FP option is set you can't use a CAg that has more points then that total. Simple solution, problem solved.

Or we can just let anyone use whatever golfer in the game they want. CAG or pro and there should be absolutely no complaints about people having more time to build up their CAG and having an unfair advantage.

[Danimal]

That's a completely shitty thing to say Dan. First, I WAS at the bottom when this competition started. Now I'm in the middle, not the top. Second, I voiced an opinion when the organizers were looking for feedback. I'm not making "conditions" - I'm trying to be involved. Man, you can be such an ass sometimes. I'll just keep quiet now since you clearly don't care to hear about any opinions but your own over a god damn video game. Thanks for keeping this fun. Good job.

Never mind not worth the effort.

[Danimal]

EA could easily fix this if they wanted to next year. Simply implement a fair play option in tournaments or CC in that you set an attribute total and if the FP option is set you can't use a CAg that has more points then that total. Simple solution, problem solved.

Or we can just let anyone use whatever golfer in the game they want. CAG or pro and there should be absolutely no complaints about people having more time to build up their CAG and having an unfair advantage.

Whose to say people aren't? There is no way to police anything.

[Gangrel]

sigh. humming along nicely in the daily at -1 until i screw up 11 and 12, throw in some water (twice) on 15 i think, and blow up to a +7.

Mimics my real life game.... except my scores are much higher in reality.

[webdanzer]

Or we can just let anyone use whatever golfer in the game they want. CAG or pro and there should be absolutely no complaints about people having more time to build up their CAG and having an unfair advantage.

I know there is a limit to total CAG points, right? But is that limit under the pros total ability scores? I have no idea. I know JCauthen was talking about guys with 95-100 power, and I don't think any pro has that.

Bottom line is, I think, that the way the game is set up makes it too hard to really set any meaningful 'fairness' controls, so you may as well just play fast and loose with things and have a good time, and that's what we are doing for the most part.

[Danimal]

I know there is a limit to total CAG points, right?

Where did you hear this?

[webdanzer]

Personally I have a bigger issue with the multiple tries we need to leave on because of Tiger crashing. Call my cynical or untrusting but that bugs me more then anything.

I always liked the 1 try setting for the weeklies myself. Yes, it is more dangerous for the freezes, but it would actually serve to open up the scoring some as players get DQed here and there, and I don't think it would matter much in the long run, especially if we finish with the 16 man tourney.