Tiger Woods 13 PGA TOUR and CE Info

[DivotMaker]

Yep, right after I posted it moved to 46%- then it stopped at 65% and stayed there for about 20-25 minutes. Just finished and doesn't look anything like me. Wow. Crazy bad.

Same here....they are getting slammed for it on the Tiger forums and rightfully slow....that should never have gotten through QA, but gotta remember who we are dealing with here....

[DChaps]

I was not even trying to do the generate face thing, just create my player, and it appears to lock up. I have tried twice now with the same results. Had to actually turn off the 360.

[TheTruth]

DSP CC got its first win vs another club. Won a 9 hole stroke match against somebody in USA most wanted or something. I think this game will be awesome online. Although I am hitting under par already in tournament difficulty. Playing with easy pins though so far.

[J_Cauthen]

Got my son to download the Pass version while I was at work last night. I've played 45 holes now. My first 18 was at Valhalla, in today's Tournament Mode Live Daily. I shot a +11 with my CAG, but that was mostly because I can't get the feel for the pitching with tournament greens. I had three triples and two doubles in my round. I only missed one fairway. As many have complained, it's way too easy to hit the ball straight in this game!?

In spite of the things I'm finding wrong with the game, I still had fun playing it. The ball physics are much improved. I'm using my Precision Putting Recovery Method putting and it's working out pretty good so far. I made 57 foot birdie putt at Crooked Stick in my Career mode round using PPRM.

The graphics are very nice, at least at Crooked Stick and Valhalla. Both courses look fabulous! I was disappointed to see the putter waggle in my CAG this morning though. It really annoys me, especially on shorter putts. Guys don't waggle their putters as they're preparting to take the putter back!?

Tiger 13 is a different sort of challenge. It's much harder to get the distance right than direction. You have to try to not hit the ball straight, even in Tournament difficulty. I've hit nothing but slow tempo, but I must not be missing perfect by much. I'm having to club up about 1/2 to 1 club to make up for my slow tempo distance losses. I wish I had more time to spend with the game, but I'm working 12's though Tuesday night. Oh, the activity of DSP'ers is pretty impressive this early. I checked in our clubhouse and we're tallying some points

[Gangrel]

So far for me, it's ridicously easy to hit tee shots and fairway shots, unless i'm attemping a crazy draw or fade. Then i'm missing my swing sometimes.

However, I cannot putt worth a damn. Maybe it's the old Tiger mentality and I need practice....... I seem to overswing all the time, and what I find is if you overswing just a little, the ball goes 10 feet past the hole, yet if i underswing, even a little, i'm 20 feet short. I know as my attributes increase, things will get better, hopefully......

Is it safe to assume that the best way to approach putting is that the stick is a 1:1 ratio with the swing? That a full metre shot would be pulled all the way back, a 50% shot half way back, etc?

Maybe I should drop down from tournament difficulty...... (but what's the fun of that, lol)





The other thing I'm finding difficult is tempo. 98% of my tempo is "slow", the other 2 is fast. I have never gotten perfect....... any tips?

[Naples39]

I'm having about the same experience as everybody else. Playing at tourney difficult with my created golfer.

ALL of my swing speeds are slow. Got a few shots that were or near 100% in actual distance, most is more like 85%. Sometimes significantly less.

Gonna try a little bit with the swing meter on while I learn the game.

AWFUL at putting. A 4 or 5 putt is never far away when I'm on the course.

Agree that this game is all about translating tempo into distance. Most shots go more or less straight, and you almost hit the fairway. More likely to miss greens I find. Apparently you want to move the stick faster or slower depending on the club too, even when hitting 100% power?

Also, if you guys didn't notice, there are "season ticket" clubs available which are much better than created golfer defaults.

For those without season ticket, it's not altogether different from the demo.

[10spro]

I myself also get slow tempo most of the time, but its by a hair and I just add a few yards to my aim to compensate. I am sure that most of you know already but using the practice swing before you hit the ball does help somehow. However, I must say that your tempo better be more on the slow side while pitching and chipping or you can just spray the ball. Still trying to get a feel on my short game in this early release.

Having said that, apparently there's only a very small percentage of getting a perfect tempo in the higher difficulties and not as much in the early amateur challenges.

Other than the tedious time it took to generate my mug face, I am having fun so far. On tournament mode, I like the fact that while you may think that you did well on 1 hole, that particular confidence can go ashtray in the very next hole.

Graphically, I think the game looks pretty much the same as the past couple of versions which is not bad at all, but one thing I see much improved is the lighting in TW13.

[10spro]

On short putts the camera is fine. But on long putts, especially with break, there is no proper camera following the ball to see where it ends up. And I can't see the ball because the golfer is in the way. I have follow cam selected, so I hope the camera for longer putts will be sorted out.

[Naples39]

Okay, maybe I'm an idiot, or it's from not playing TW on console before, but I had a pretty big breakthrough on this game.

I was always pulling back on the stick, waiting for the meter and the animation of the golfer to catch up, them swinging through. That would always give me slow tempo, often overswing (though I was getting the timing down to get perfect swing length) and the inconsistent or low shot distances.

For a few minutes I just teed off over and over with mulligans, trying to get fast or perfect tempo, and I found you don't hesitate at all on backswing. Even if the player has barely animated his backswing and it looks like severe underswing, immediately follow back through.

By doing this I'm still almost always getting a slow tempo, and the shot meter says underswing nearly every time, but now I am consistently hitting the clubs the listed lengths. Makes the game feel very different, and has been much more predictable for me. Of course rushing my swing like this also leads to some wayward aim, but that's okay.

Now I just need to figure out how to putt consistently...

[J_Cauthen]

For a few minutes I just teed off over and over with mulligans, trying to get fast or perfect tempo, and I found you don't hesitate at all on backswing. Even if the player has barely animated his backswing and it looks like severe underswing, immediately follow back through.

By doing this I'm still almost always getting a slow tempo, and the shot meter says underswing nearly every time, but now I am consistently hitting the clubs the listed lengths. Makes the game feel very different, and has been much more predictable for me. Of course rushing my swing like this also leads to some wayward aim, but that's okay.

This is what I've resorted to as well. For full shots, the animation is just a place holder the way I now play Tiger 13. If I use it as a gauge, as I would prefer to do, my tempo is going to be very slow. If my golfer swung the club as fast as I'm moving the stick, he would look like a mousetrap being sprung. Even at that, I still wind up with a reported "Slow" tempo, although if I've slightly underswung, I'll achieve about 95% of the targeted carry. I just compensate for that with club selection and move on.

Because of the frantic stick movement that's required for roughly half of the game's shots when using the controller, I think I'm going to wind up playing this game long term with the Move or the Kinect. I just don't have enough data yet to make the decision which, although I'm leaning toward the Move, based on the demo.

Now I just need to figure out how to putt consistently...

I can't use the Total Swing Control putting method very well. You might want to try my Precision Putting Recovery Method as an alternative. You aim your putt using the cursor, then run the distance out to 80 feet and put the percentage of stroke you feel is needed for the distance you're actually trying to hit the putt. This is working out much better for me than the new default putting interface.

[J_Cauthen]

On short putts the camera is fine. But on long putts, especially with break, there is no proper camera following the ball to see where it ends up. And I can't see the ball because the golfer is in the way. I have follow cam selected, so I hope the camera for longer putts will be sorted out.

This is another factor that's pushing me toward motion controller play, with the Move and first person view, this isn't a problem. I'm curious to hear if you find the twitchy waggling the golfer does before taking the putter back a bit distracting?

[Aristo]

The lack of TrueAim like TW11 and how ridiculously easy it is to hit a straight tee shot on the hardest difficulty renders this game pointless to me. The crappy short play and putting doesn't help either.

It blows my mind that people accept this. The gameplay has become horrible at the time I expected EA to go on a run of fantastic games. It also cements the fact that there is probably no reason for EA or anyone else to make a golf game I like, because I feel like I am alone in my assessments.

[TheTruth]

I actually like the chipping and putting. But agree that it is too easy to hit a straight shot off the tee and into the green. But I also didn't like the random landing that previous versions had either. But I have had fun playing so far and that is what is key for me.

[10spro]

Is anyone else encountering a freeze and black screen when entering "Legacy Mode?

[Naples39]

Haven't tried legacy mode....

I'm really not sure what to make of this game, and I have my doubts about it catching on here. My breakthrough technique of yesterday fell apart, having my worst round yet this morning. I am now back to pausing, at the downswing, but I have the timing down pretty well and often get perfect swing length. You have to snap the right stick forward pretty quick, and I still get rated a slow tempo, but the shot gets the length it needs this way.

Putting remains a shitshow. The difference between woefully short and way past the hole is tiny. My round scores are terrible, mainly because I have no ability to scramble. My chipping is inconsistent, and my putting is terrible. Unless I'm flawless of the tee and on approach, a bogey is basically inevitable for me right now. (this is all with my created golfer, who has shitty ratings)

This game is straight wood and iron shots with sometimes unpredictable distances, and punishing putting. I wouldn't say it's a bad game, and there's things I like, like how you have to use the opposite stick to adjust your ball striking when in the rough, but I'm not sure people will be content with the overall state of affairs.

[MUTTS]

A bit of a thread hijack....was showing my 9 and 6yo some old favorite games on youtube and came across this beauty....EA sports pga tour 96. Notice the swing meter!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IldXVSlLcEU

Tony

[Diablo25]

I love the putting using the Kinect. I just calculate how much more or less I have to hit it due to incline/decline and then go with gauging the distance via my (literal) backswing. I described it above.

EX: (Average conditions BTW) I'm on the green 15 feet from the hole with a 4 inch incline. For every inch I add a foot to my putt so in this instance I put the meter 4 feet passed the hole...at 19 feet. I then line up what I think the break is going to be. Now I just hit the putt like I would a real 19 foot putt - which is about 6-8 inches outside my back foot. There is a good video about how to do this on YouTube. I'll post it if you guys want it.

I do get frustrated while putting with the controller - which is what I assume you guys are frustrated with. I do everything too quick and blow the ball by the hole. I am getting better. I have been doing the backswing extremely slow so I can get the meter right but it is tough.

[J_Cauthen]

I haven't tried the legacy mode either, so I can't comment on the freezing. I'm having a fit with approach shots of like 80 yards or less, down to pitches of 18 yards. I just can't get a handle on how hard to swing the club. It seems like the game sets me up, even in Tournament difficulty with Caddy "OFF", for a restricted swing that I can't quite seem to get a feeel for. I usually leave these approaches well short when I try to finesse them, or blast them over the green. I'm getting a pretty good handle on the chipping and my Precision Putting Recovery Method is keeping me from posting some really embarrassing scores. I rolled in three 30+ foot putts in my 16 over round in today's Tournament difficulty Live Daily at Crooked Stick.

I wont' be able to spend any real time with the game until Wednesday. So far, I'm just not digging the controller experience with Tiger 13, overall. I'm sort of trying to leard to tolerate it right now. It's still a challenging game, just not in as much of a realistically modelled experience, from an interface standpoint, as I'd hoped. I can see where the motion controller experience could totally change that however.

[JRod]

I wont' be able to spend any real time with the game until Wednesday. So far, I'm just not digging the controller experience with Tiger 13, overall. I'm sort of trying to leard to tolerate it right now. It's still a challenging game, just not in as much of a realistically modelled experience, from an interface standpoint, as I'd hoped. I can see where the motion controller experience could totally change that however.

Agree. I think TW13 is a huge step back. They tinkered around too much with the game and instead of addressing issues they just created a whole new set of problems.

If you hit only straight shots, I doubt you will ever miss a fairway. There's no predictability to putting like every has said.

They just went in a strange direction with the swing stuff and putting.

[Naples39]

I just had a very encouraging round. Shot a 67 at Birkdale with my CAG, first time under par. The interesting thing though, only hit 50% of fairways and 39% of the greens, but only needed 20 putts! I had all the meters off for a change, and was going more by feel/timing on putting and chipping. Actually I got a feel for a chipping stroke and a putting stroke, and used that stroke over and over, just changing the aiming distance. Made a lot of great short range shots.

Hopefully I can reproduce that round, unlike my short swing experiment yesterday.

[Teal]

Ah hell, I'm just gonna be happy to swing a virtual golf club in first person on courses that I'll never get to play in real life. Bring it on.

[pk500]

For those struggling with the meters for chipping and putting, a word of advice: Shut them off. Play on Tournament difficulty.

I wrestled like hell with the meters with the demo. Once I took Jimmy's advice and nutted up with Tournament difficulty, figuring the correct tempo for putts and chips became easier with the controller. I worried more about "feel" than hoping I was going to move my stick to align with some on-screen mark.

Trust me, I'm not a masochist in golf games who insists on the hardest skill level. I don't golf in real life, so I usually need the help provided by lower skill levels. But I find Tournament skill level to be more intuitive with the controller, even if you still need to be drunk or stoned to hit a tee shot out of the fairway.

Give it a whirl. Bet you'll like it after scaling an initial learning climb.

[JRod]

For those struggling with the meters for chipping and putting, a word of advice: Shut them off. Play on Tournament difficulty.

I wrestled like hell with the meters with the demo. Once I took Jimmy's advice and nutted up with Tournament difficulty, figuring the correct tempo for putts and chips became easier with the controller. I worried more about "feel" than hoping I was going to move my stick to align with some on-screen mark.

Trust me, I'm not a masochist in golf games who insists on the hardest skill level. I don't golf in real life, so I usually need the help provided by lower skill levels. But I find Tournament skill level to be more intuitive with the controller, even if you still need to be drunk or stoned to hit a tee shot out of the fairway.

Give it a whirl. Bet you'll like it after scaling an initial learning climb.

I play on the Tournament difficulty. And the swings are inconsistent. I don't really understand what's going on at that level either.

I also hit a 2ft putt off the green. The "metered" putt kept resetting my swing so a little "tap tap" didn't register.

I play on the PS3 so maybe it's not as sensitive but I don't think I would ever miss a green or fairway as long as I have a straight shot.

It just felt like a lot of work to understand their system not trying to play good golf. That's the difference. I could see if it was tough but rewarding... say I had to play good golf to score. Here I shot 4 under on the back at Augusta because I was able to pull off all the legendary shots you see on Sunday.

Take Amen corner

11 - you need to crush a drive to the right of the fairway or it will completely take you out of the hole. I just hit it to the spot I was aiming. I could have hit it right at the pin but my mindset was real golf not Tiger golf.

12 - The green is hard to hit that's why that hole you can birdie or take an 7. But again with a good swing you can put it on top of the hole.

13 - Hit the trees because I didn't understand how to draw and fade. But the 2nd shot in was way to easy. A long iron or word to the back porch and let it roll down.

The only challenge to the game was really having the right swing of for the meter. I was in never any danger of losing the ball left or right.

That was a few rounds back and nothing really has changed. Just too easy to hit it straight.

[DChaps]

Is anyone else experiencing in game lock ups? I have yet to be able to complete a round due to at some point the game just freezing on me. This has happened 4 times now in addition to the time it happened when I was trying to create a player. Maddening. I do not believe it is my 360 because Forza, F1 2011, seem to be working fine. I think I am too dumb for console golf as I have absolutely no idea what I am doing.

[Diablo25]

For what it's worth, I just played a round on Tournament level and it was very encouraging. The bottom line on putting with the controller is a SLOOOOW CONTROLLED BACKSWING. I just line up my putt (put the cursor longer or shorter depending on uphill/downhill) and then slowly (and i mean slowly)pull down on the left stick until the club gets to where I want and then push up. If I have the cursor set at 10 feet, that is about in line with your golfers back big toe. 20 feet is about just outside your golfers back foot...and so on. I was rolling very nice putts...no more blasted overkill putts. I felt great about the round. Dustin Johnson kills the ball BTW!