NFL Season 2011-2012

[RallyMonkey]

I'll also disagree with other WR's in this draft who are as good or better than Blackmon. As a Big 12 guy, I've seen many of his games and I truly believe he is something special. I would only trade down if I was absolutely sure Blackmon was still going to be there - he's my guy if I'm the GM.. but I'm not. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong, but there is no doubt in my mind Blackmon is the real deal.

Don't get me wrong, I like the kid and I'm not trying to sh*t in your soup, but he's the incredible shrinking man in the last month. Only 6' and speed looks like it's gonna roll in at about 4.5/4.6. He has terrific separation, strong route running, and very good hands, but if I'm the GM of a 2-14 team with needs, that type of WR doesn't fix my problem when I was one of only four defenses to give up more than 400 points last year. You can get a very good WR later and also sure up more spots on the field with the best deal possible, regardless of whether it means getting Blackmon or not. That was all I was saying.

[MizzouRah]

Don't get me wrong, I like the kid and I'm not trying to sh*t in your soup, but he's the incredible shrinking man in the last month. Only 6' and speed looks like it's gonna roll in at about 4.5/4.6. He has terrific separation, strong route running, and very good hands, but if I'm the GM of a 2-14 team with needs, that type of WR doesn't fix my problem when I was one of only four defenses to give up more than 400 points last year. You can get a very good WR later and also sure up more spots on the field with the best deal possible, regardless of whether it means getting Blackmon or not. That was all I was saying.

Oh I know you're not and you're probably right. That's why I'm not the GM

[Brando70]

I'll also disagree with other WR's in this draft who are as good or better than Blackmon. As a Big 12 guy, I've seen many of his games and I truly believe he is something special. I would only trade down if I was absolutely sure Blackmon was still going to be there - he's my guy if I'm the GM.. but I'm not. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong, but there is no doubt in my mind Blackmon is the real deal.

Don't get me wrong, I like the kid and I'm not trying to sh*t in your soup, but he's the incredible shrinking man in the last month. Only 6' and speed looks like it's gonna roll in at about 4.5/4.6. He has terrific separation, strong route running, and very good hands, but if I'm the GM of a 2-14 team with needs, that type of WR doesn't fix my problem when I was one of only four defenses to give up more than 400 points last year. You can get a very good WR later and also sure up more spots on the field with the best deal possible, regardless of whether it means getting Blackmon or not. That was all I was saying.

I think in this era of college football spread offenses, WR is the hardest position to judge. Blackmon certainly has performed at a level worthy of a top 10 pick. He's posted incredible numbers. But there are issues, especially with speed, that could make him another Michael Crabtree -- solid but not spectacular as a pro.

I can't blame a team for grabbing him, but also can't blame them for passing on him. If the Rams trade with the Skins and Blackmon is still there at six, he would be hard to resist unless he has a bad pro day next week.

[dbdynsty25]

This will be an interesting offseason development.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... unty-rule/

[wco81]

How do they penalize Williams, who's moved onto the Rams now?

[vader29]

How do they penalize Williams, who's moved onto the Rams now?

His penalty is that he is now with the Rams.

[XXXIV]

How do they penalize Williams, who's moved onto the Rams now?

His penalty is that he is now with the Rams.

He shoots! He scores!!!

I guess the Rams new bounty system is going to be shut down before it even begins. What a tragedy!

Fischer is off to a flying start. I hope he drafts better than he hires...but then thinking about it.... who would a d***** bag hire but a fellow d***** bag.

[dbdynsty25]

Well Rams fans gotta be stoked. Three firsts and a second for the second pick. Wow. What a haul.

[MizzouRah]

Yeah, I'd take that in a heartbeat. Doubt we will get the WR I want, but that's too good to pass up. Looks like the Redskins get RGIII.

[Rodster]

Well Rams fans gotta be stoked. Three firsts and a second for the second pick. Wow. What a haul.

What the hell was Synder thinking?

They're saying that RG3 will be under a lot of pressure to perform. The one I feel bad for is Luck. Irsay has basically blown up the team and is starting over. If he gets the rebuilding wrong, Polian is gone now. Luck is going to have a tough time in Indy.

[Zeppo]

Well Rams fans gotta be stoked. Three firsts and a second for the second pick. Wow. What a haul.

I think it's great. I'm psyched. Yes, it's one additional #1 pick more than the Giants traded to move up one spot to get Manning, and while it means we most likely won't have a #1 pick until 2015 Griffin could turn out to be our starting QB for the next 10 years. Or he could turn out to be Heath Shuler or Ryan Leaf.

It's a high price, no doubt about it, but this team hasn't had anything resembling a top QB for twenty years at the minimum.

The fact that the trade has happened before free agency is open instead of on draft day could also mean good things for the Skins' chances to get one of the better WRs available and improve their O-line through FA as well. They have a reasonable amount of cap space.

I'm sure one thing the Danny was thinking was that this player will put butts in the seats like few others so that he won't have to demolish any more of the stadium in order to keep the sellout streak going.

I'm super excited because I had accepted that we didn't have a chance and that Cleveland or someone with a lower pick than us would get him. First the relief in finding out we were out of the Peyton Manning sweepstakes, and then this. Awesome. Thank you Rams!!

[XXXIV]

Thank you Rams!!

You are so f***in welcome!!!!

Awesome baby. Got more than the clowns on tv were predicting....and..yeah its before FA. Lots of room to move for the lammies.

Fischer!!!!! Dont f*** this up like the Williams hire.

[Rodster]

Good point made by an article I read saying that aging QB's who jump from their original team usually don't put up the same numbers. Manning's neck injury is still a big concern for me. I also read yesterday that the Broncos may not be asking him to throw. Pretty stupid to give money to a QB and you have no idea if you will have a gunslinger or a noodle arm QB.

The more I think about it, I hope the Dolphins don't take him, too many question marks. I thought Matt Moore did a real nice job and should be given the nod as starter until the Dolphins can get a QB who is a definite upgrade without the mileage.

[wco81]

I heard the Redskins are NOT out of the Peyton sweepstakes yet.

There were rumors before the end of last season that Peyton wanted to play in one of the last games but he could only throw about 20 yards so he wanted to play in the red zone.

He's going to have to demonstrate some arm velocity before a team gives him anything more than a minimum contract. If he can come anywhere close to regaining his old form, he'd be a huge upgrade over Alex Smith and the 49ers would be one of the best fits.

Instead, they've offered Smith a 3-year contract and he's demanding more years and guaranteed money. Watch them bid against themselves, because nobody else is going to pursue him in free agency.

[Brando70]

Read this analysis of the Rams/Redskins trade and found it apt:

But it'll be worth it if RG3 is as good as advertised. It's not like the Redskins first-round picks of the past 10 years are rewriting record books. The team doesn't tend to draft well. They aren't the Baltimore Ravens, in other words. Trading picks in '13 and '14 shouldn't be viewed as giving away good, young players, it should be viewed as the Redskins giving away picks they were going to waste anyway. If RG3 comes in and is doing a Cam Newton impersonation, nobody in D.C. will care about those picks by Week 7.

I agree with that. The Redskins need more than good players. As Zeppo makes it clear, they need a solid PR move, and nothing gets a disgruntled NFL fan base excited like a franchise QB. It's a ton to give up, but Griffin is about as much of a sure thing as you can find in the draft (Luck, too, for that matter). I think it's a risk worth taking and also a great trade for the Rams.

[wco81]

They overpaid probably for the box office value.

Flynn may play better over the next 5 years and wouldn't require giving up all those draft picks but RG3 will sell a lot more tickets in the next year or two than signing Flynn -- though I'm not sure if Redskins have problems selling tickets, at least when they're winning.

[JRod]

Good point made by an article I read saying that aging QB's who jump from their original team usually don't put up the same numbers. Manning's neck injury is still a big concern for me. I also read yesterday that the Broncos may not be asking him to throw. Pretty stupid to give money to a QB and you have no idea if you will have a gunslinger or a noodle arm QB.

The more I think about it, I hope the Dolphins don't take him, too many question marks. I thought Matt Moore did a real nice job and should be given the nod as starter until the Dolphins can get a QB who is a definite upgrade without the mileage.

Heard this was Manning's decision. Peter King says he's approaching this like he did college recruiting.

[ScoopBrady]

I also read yesterday that the Broncos may not be asking him to throw. Pretty stupid to give money to a QB and you have no idea if you will have a gunslinger or a noodle arm QB.

Either way, an upgrade!

[Rodster]

So Manning told the Broncos he's not throwing and they agreed to those terms? That's pretty stupid. I will say that Manning has always shown himself to be a standup and honest guy. So maybe he thinks he can still pack the heat.

But what if he was being OVER optimistic and he went from being Payton Manning to Chad Pennington or even worse Joe Namath when he played for the Rams in 1978 and threw up a flutter ball and was benched after that for Pat Hayden?

[Zeppo]

They overpaid probably for the box office value...

-- though I'm not sure if Redskins have problems selling tickets, at least when they're winning.

Remind me the last time the Redskins were "winning?". After the Super Bowl win in the 91/92 season, we've been to the playoffs three times I think, and won two playoff games, winning the division once. In twenty years. Once under Norv in his 7th or 8th season winning the division at 10-6, and twice a wild card under Gibbs II. Those two playoff appearances under Gibbs II have become even more remarkable because of the incompetence since then. Clearly he was a miracle worker to get those teams to win all their games in December and qualify for the post season. Miracle worker. Sean Taylor didn't hurt either and surely his loss has hurt this franchise, but 10 years of Cerrato mismanagement has caused deep, deep problems.

So yes, if we ever do start winning, the Danny won't have to worry about ticket sales and can stop reducing the stadium capacity from year to year. But the Redskins haven't had even a decent QB since Rypien, and he's no HoFer. This move is way more about football than anything else, especially in this now much more QB-centric league, and the enthusiasm from the fan base will be due to the football side of things first and foremost, as it always has been in DC.

They look at what the Guants were willing to give up to draft Manning and they are doing pretty much the same thing, considering they have had to move from 6 to 2 instead of from 2 to 1.

[Brando70]

They overpaid probably for the box office value.

Flynn may play better over the next 5 years and wouldn't require giving up all those draft picks but RG3 will sell a lot more tickets in the next year or two than signing Flynn -- though I'm not sure if Redskins have problems selling tickets, at least when they're winning.

Flynn could also be the second-coming of Kevin Kolb.

The Redskins gave up a lot and it could blow up in their faces. But the fact is that most great NFL QBs were first- or second-round picks. Flynn's a seventh-round pick and a back-up. His college career total doesn't equal what Griffin produced in his senior season. That's not to disparage Flynn but, if you start examining probabilities and such, he doesn't have the profile of a franchise QB the same way Luck or Griffin do.

I think draft picks are extremely valuable, but there are times it makes sense for teams to gamble a bit. To lock up a chance to draft one of the two best QB prospects since Peyton Manning makes it a risk that is worth taking. In a lot of ways, it makes more sense than the Eli/Rivers trade, because both of those QBs have performed well. If the Redskins don't make this trade, they would not get one of the top two QBs.

[XXXIV]

Flynn could also be the second-coming of Kevin Kolb.

I was thinking this guy but yeah Kolb is in the now and I am living in the past. Then on the other hand you never know.



Thanks to recent developments, I have that magical march thru august optimism back again.

[MUTTS]

Love how the Dolphins front office has sat and watched Manning go bye bye and let the Skins trade up to get RG III. I just have a feeling Manning knows what a joke the Dolphins have become. Ahhhh, but they do literally roll out the Orange Carpet before games so the JLos and Marc Anthony's of the world can get a proper reception when they arrive to the game.

I really don't know much about the new head coach but Im hoping they just didn't hire him away from Green Bay in order to get his back up QB to come to South Beach.

My oldest is 9 and has all ready figured out that we cheer for a team that stinks every year.

Tony

[Rodster]

Love how the Dolphins front office has sat and watched Manning go bye bye and let the Skins trade up to get RG III. I just have a feeling Manning knows what a joke the Dolphins have become. Ahhhh, but they do literally roll out the Orange Carpet before games so the JLos and Marc Anthony's of the world can get a proper reception when they arrive to the game.

I really don't know much about the new head coach but Im hoping they just didn't hire him away from Green Bay in order to get his back up QB to come to South Beach.

My oldest is 9 and has all ready figured out that we cheer for a team that stinks every year.

Tony

Yup as Dan Le Batard wrote in the Herald a couple of days ago. It's an organization where "the owner has done very few things right, no one trust the GM and the Head Coach is doing this for the first time".

The Miami Dolphins have been relegated to #3 in Miami sports interest. They are way behind the Miami Heat and now behind the Miami Marlins. That was unthinkable just 5 years ago. The team is just an utter mess. Things will not be any better until there is significant change at the top, possibly a new owner and FO. You might as well add Carl Peterson to this mess.

[dbdynsty25]

Wow you guys are horrible fans. Yes, they didn't trade up to get RG3, but who says they are out of the Manning derby? I disagree with them getting Manning more than most people, but it's not like they were going to tie the guy down and make him sign a contract. Free agents test the market, and Manning is damn sure going to do that. He'll be in Miami soon, I mean he does have a damn home there. So we'll see...but I personally would rather them get Flynn since they didn't do the RG3 thing (which was my preference).

And Dan LeBatard Rod? The guy is the Skip Bayless of Miami. Blowhard through and through...just likes to hear himself speak.