Bounce back to what? He had one good season. He is not good...just a below average hitter with a nice arm. Maybe he should try pitching.fanatic wrote:Escobar has potential to bounce back nicely and become one of the AL's finer shortstops.
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Actually, I'd say two good seasons (about .370 OBP in each), which by the way, were his first two full seasons in the bigs following an abbreviated rookie season where he hit for a .326 avg. and .385 OBP. Not sure where you're getting "below average hitter" from...his walk/k ratios especially have been well above league avg.dbdynsty25 wrote:Bounce back to what? He had one good season. He is not good...just a below average hitter with a nice arm. Maybe he should try pitching.fanatic wrote:Escobar has potential to bounce back nicely and become one of the AL's finer shortstops.
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Not sure where I got it from...maybe from watching him hit everyday when he was a Brave. He's not good...he regressed like a mofo in the past two seasons he's got a sh*tty attitude. Enjoy that.fanatic wrote:Actually, I'd say two good seasons (about .370 OBP in each), which by the way, were his first two full seasons in the bigs following an abbreviated rookie season where he hit .326. Not sure where you're getting "below average hitter" from...his walk/k ratios especially have been well above league avg.dbdynsty25 wrote:Bounce back to what? He had one good season. He is not good...just a below average hitter with a nice arm. Maybe he should try pitching.fanatic wrote:Escobar has potential to bounce back nicely and become one of the AL's finer shortstops.
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Although your "not good" and "regress like a mofo" arguments could use a bit of work, I definitely agree about the attitude stuff in Atlanta. He was a huge "need a change of atmosphere" guy. Definitely not defending his attitude there, but sometimes guys with not-so-great clubhouse track records can turn it around on a new team, new mix, etc..dbdynsty25 wrote:Not sure where I got it from...maybe from watching him hit everyday when he was a Brave. He's not good...he regressed like a mofo in the past two seasons he's got a sh*tty attitude. Enjoy that.
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At least he hit 4 homers in Toronto after he got traded and bumped the average up to .275.fanatic wrote:Although your "not good" and "regress like a mofo" arguments could use a bit of work, I definitely agree about the attitude stuff in Atlanta. He was a huge "need a change of atmosphere" guy. Definitely not defending his attitude there, but sometimes guys with not-so-great clubhouse track records can turn it around on a new team, new mix, etc..dbdynsty25 wrote:Not sure where I got it from...maybe from watching him hit everyday when he was a Brave. He's not good...he regressed like a mofo in the past two seasons he's got a sh*tty attitude. Enjoy that.
I'll be very surprised if he gets his OPS out of the .600 range again. He just seems like he doesn't care anymore. How many pop ups or double plays did he hit into flailing at balls in the dirt or up around his eyes? That stuff doesn't go away. He got into bad habits and doesn't work hard enough to change them. That's a fact. Teams learned how to pitch to him and he doesn't adjust. Regressed like a mofo still stands.
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Ok, we'll agree to disagree on this one. I can't argue against the fact that there is a pessimistic approach to take with projecting Escobar - his career could definitely go either way.dbdynsty25 wrote:At least he hit 4 homers in Toronto after he got traded and bumped the average up to .275.fanatic wrote:Although your "not good" and "regress like a mofo" arguments could use a bit of work, I definitely agree about the attitude stuff in Atlanta. He was a huge "need a change of atmosphere" guy. Definitely not defending his attitude there, but sometimes guys with not-so-great clubhouse track records can turn it around on a new team, new mix, etc..dbdynsty25 wrote:Not sure where I got it from...maybe from watching him hit everyday when he was a Brave. He's not good...he regressed like a mofo in the past two seasons he's got a sh*tty attitude. Enjoy that.![]()
I'll be very surprised if he gets his OPS out of the .600 range again. He just seems like he doesn't care anymore. How many pop ups or double plays did he hit into flailing at balls in the dirt or up around his eyes? That stuff doesn't go away. He got into bad habits and doesn't work hard enough to change them. That's a fact. Teams learned how to pitch to him and he doesn't adjust. Regressed like a mofo still stands.
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The Braves don't give up on young players that go on to be all stars very often (Wainwright will always haunt me)...so I trust them quite a bit. Remember this conversation next winter, that's all I'm saying.fanatic wrote:Ok, we'll agree to disagree on this one. I can't argue against the fact that there is a pessimistic approach to take with projecting Escobar - his career could definitely go either way.
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Here's what I think of Yunel. He will take a walk and doesn't strike out much. He has pretty good range and tools at shortstop and I've seen him doing some amazing acrobatics in a Jays uniform.
Sure at times he lacks concentration on the field, which leads to boneheaded mistakes but he Is still developing consistency defensively. He's not the best base-runner out there but if he can show us more of his potential, I am happy with his one year deal.
Now, I just hope they don't sign Manny.
Sure at times he lacks concentration on the field, which leads to boneheaded mistakes but he Is still developing consistency defensively. He's not the best base-runner out there but if he can show us more of his potential, I am happy with his one year deal.
Now, I just hope they don't sign Manny.
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The core for the Rockies are basically coming back. They have a good young team and that is promising. It's also promising that management are spending money on keeping them. I think the Rox have to make the playoffs over the next two seasons. I can see Rockies management sell off stars because our salary bill might be two high in 2013. However, Helton's huge contract does end sometime over the course of the two seasons.
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JRod wrote:The core for the Rockies are basically coming back. They have a good young team and that is promising. It's also promising that management are spending money on keeping them. I think the Rox have to make the playoffs over the next two seasons. I can see Rockies management sell off stars because our salary bill might be two high in 2013. However, Helton's huge contract does end sometime over the course of the two seasons.
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Wow, where did this one come from? V. Wells just got traded to the Angels.
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Well the Rays look like they are gonna make St. Pete alot more interesting this summer. Reportedly signed Manny Ramirez and Johnny Damon to 1 yr contracts.Should help Desmond Jennings ease into LF. They've lost over 200 + million in free agents. And with the free agent losses,the Rays will have 11 of the first 60 picks in this years draft. The rotation has Price,Shields,Niemann,Townsend,and Hellickson,which is still pretty formidable. The Garza trade netted the Cubs top minor prospects. They may not get past the Red Sox or Yanks this year,but I gotta give A. Friedman and G. Hunsicker props for pulling some creative moves to keep this team competitive.
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86 million reasons to celebrate right now.10spro wrote:Wow, where did this one come from? V. Wells just got traded to the Angels.
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Not sure where the Cards are with negotiations with their franchise player, but I doubt a one day extension can get Pujols signed.
J. Bautista and the Jays are in a similar situation before the hearing goes to arbitration but at least the extension goes beyond a single day.
J. Bautista and the Jays are in a similar situation before the hearing goes to arbitration but at least the extension goes beyond a single day.
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What has this world come to? Comparing Pujols to Bautista. Wow. One hit wonders should never even be in the same text box as first ballot hall of famers.10spro wrote:Not sure where the Cards are with negotiations with their franchise player, but I doubt a one day extension can get Pujols signed.
J. Bautista and the Jays are in a similar situation before the hearing goes to arbitration but at least the extension goes beyond a single day.
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dbdynsty25 wrote:What has this world come to? Comparing Pujols to Bautista. Wow. One hit wonders should never even be in the same text box as first ballot hall of famers.10spro wrote:Not sure where the Cards are with negotiations with their franchise player, but I doubt a one day extension can get Pujols signed.
J. Bautista and the Jays are in a similar situation before the hearing goes to arbitration but at least the extension goes beyond a single day.
Yeah, it's a tricky one for the Jays. Was Bautista's numbers a one year wonder warranting the 10 million per as he wants? I say no. But at least talks are on going.
Who's comparing them?
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You just did saying they are in a similar situation. They are not even close to the same situations!10spro wrote:Yeah, it's a tricky one for the Jays. Was Bautista's numbers a one year wonder warranting the 10 million per as he wants? I say no. But at least talks are on going.
Who's comparing them?
The Jays are screwed...the guy has a good year and wants a huge raise...and you know he's gonna hit like 30hrs next year and be a disappointment if he gets a bunch of money.
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What I meant is that I doubt that a one day extension for negotiating Pujols contract is enough to get a deal done. Ditto for negotiating Bautista's contract who wants a long term extension. No one is discussing numbers among them.dbdynsty25 wrote:You just did saying they are in a similar situation. They are not even close to the same situations!10spro wrote:Yeah, it's a tricky one for the Jays. Was Bautista's numbers a one year wonder warranting the 10 million per as he wants? I say no. But at least talks are on going.
Who's comparing them?
The Jays are screwed...the guy has a good year and wants a huge raise...and you know he's gonna hit like 30hrs next year and be a disappointment if he gets a bunch of money.
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the cards/pujols "signing deadline" is a joke. If the Cards call his agent in June with $300 million, his agent isn't going to take the call? Please...
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I don't think they're talking Jason Werth money for Bautista at the moment. Any long term deal is obviously going to come at a bit of a discount from what it would be if he puts up another 50+ HR year.dbdynsty25 wrote:The Jays are screwed...the guy has a good year and wants a huge raise...and you know he's gonna hit like 30hrs next year and be a disappointment if he gets a bunch of money.
If they pay him in the $12M a year range for 4-5 years, I think they'll get pretty good value. He's got a great arm, can play a bunch of positions, etc...Also, you have to look back to September 2009, when he hit 10 dingers after re-working his swing, to see that he's likely not a fluke, even if he can't sustain his 2010 performance.
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I fully agree.. and if Pujols wants 10 years/30 million.. hey hey hey.. goodbye!greggsand wrote:the cards/pujols "signing deadline" is a joke. If the Cards call his agent in June with $300 million, his agent isn't going to take the call? Please...
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The one day extension was just out of respect for Stan Musial today. The Cardinals didn't want Musial's big day stolen from the spotlight. As far as Albert goes.....adios. As Harray Carry once said "players come and go but the game of baseball always remains".
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Oh you crazy cardinal fans. You put on a brave face saying no big deal but you know as soon as he is gone you'll be crying. You're not fooling anyone and I wouldn't blame you one bit. I'm still in mourning that Andruw went to the Yankees.
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Yes I will.. haha.. I love watching him play the game. I would die seeing him as a Cubbie, so would Cardinal nation.dbdynsty25 wrote:Oh you crazy cardinal fans. You put on a brave face saying no big deal but you know as soon as he is gone you'll be crying. You're not fooling anyone and I wouldn't blame you one bit. I'm still in mourning that Andruw went to the Yankees.
I've heard they offered him an 8 year deal for $200 million and he is expected to turn it down... that's insane!
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You don't know me very well...I live in St. Louis and I like the Cardinals but I cannot stand Cardinal nation. I'm loving every b*tch and moan from the Cardinal faithful. I would love nothing more than to see Pujols sign with the Cubs in 2012.dbdynsty25 wrote:Oh you crazy cardinal fans. You put on a brave face saying no big deal but you know as soon as he is gone you'll be crying. You're not fooling anyone and I wouldn't blame you one bit. I'm still in mourning that Andruw went to the Yankees.
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