NBA Season 2010-11

[dbdynsty25]

The trade machine rules. I've prob seen about 5 different "nash to lakers" setups from people using it over the last 3 weeks.

There is no way in hell Phoenix trades him in conference, especially to the Lakers. Mark that down.

[greggsand]

The trade machine rules. I've prob seen about 5 different "nash to lakers" setups from people using it over the last 3 weeks.

There is no way in hell Phoenix trades him in conference, especially to the Lakers. Mark that down.

Agreed. Not that Phil would want him anyway. His freelance style would make Phil mental. I could see them trading in the conf, but not LA.

[greggsand]

right now David Stern is booking a meeting for Monday morning. subject: "What to do the day someone punches Blake Griffin in the face." He really gets under people's skin.

[Rodster]

So you guys still think the Clippers are stupid enough to trade Blake Griffin? This kid is off the charts, doesn't get under my skin.

[EZSnappin]

They aren't trading Blake unless they get Lebron. They aren't going to get Lebron.

So happy to see Perk back for the Celtics. Just wasn't the same without him.

[greggsand]

So you guys still think the Clippers are stupid enough to trade Blake Griffin? This kid is off the charts, doesn't get under my skin.

No they won't trade him (are there rumors even supporting that??). The question will be whether they can/will lock him for a long term deal. I suspect they'll try like hell as both attendance & local tv ratings are up for them this year.

[Rodster]

So you guys still think the Clippers are stupid enough to trade Blake Griffin? This kid is off the charts, doesn't get under my skin.

No they won't trade him (are there rumors even supporting that??). The question will be whether they can/will lock him for a long term deal. I suspect they'll try like hell as both attendance & local tv ratings are up for them this year.

That was the question more so than trading him. It was also mentioned that the Clippers aren't known for spending lots of money on their players. If there ever was a case to do it, Blake Griffin would be it. I don't remember if LeBron, D-Wade made the splash this kid has made. They posted some of his stats last night and within 6-8 weeks, IIRC he went from 15 points to 27.5 in that time frame.

[Rodster]

right now David Stern is booking a meeting for Monday morning. subject: "What to do the day someone punches Blake Griffin in the face." He really gets under people's skin.

It's already starting to happen:

The Mavericks had just gone on a 23-6 spurt to go ahead for the first time. They were up by four when Griffin blew past Haywood on his way to the rim for a spectacular finish. He didn't make it because Haywood reached out with both hands, got hold of his dangling left arm and jerked him down before he got too far off the ground.

"Every play can't be a dunk-contest dunk," Haywood said.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basket ... recap.html

[pk500]

What's Griffin supposed to do, take a layup? This entire "Rookie, you need to pay your dues" mentality is bullsh*t. The kid has prodigious gifts and talent, and he likes to use them.

I hope Griffin never stops flushing on veterans' heads. He seems like a nice kid off the court, too.

[Rodster]

What's Griffin supposed to do, take a layup? This entire "Rookie, you need to pay your dues" mentality is bullsh*t. The kid has prodigious gifts and talent, and he likes to use them.

I hope Griffin never stops flushing on veterans' heads. He seems like a nice kid off the court, too.

Agreed !

We finally have a white superstar baller

[pk500]

What's Griffin supposed to do, take a layup? This entire "Rookie, you need to pay your dues" mentality is bullsh*t. The kid has prodigious gifts and talent, and he likes to use them.

I hope Griffin never stops flushing on veterans' heads. He seems like a nice kid off the court, too.

Agreed !

We finally have a white superstar baller

Except that Griffin is not white. He's mixed race; dad is black, mom is white.

That leads to an interesting question, though: Who do you cats think is the best white player in the NBA? My vote goes to Kevin Love.

[dbdynsty25]

That leads to an interesting question, though: Who do you cats think is the best white player in the NBA? My vote goes to Kevin Love.

Uhh...Steve Nash. End of discussion.

[Rodster]

What's Griffin supposed to do, take a layup? This entire "Rookie, you need to pay your dues" mentality is bullsh*t. The kid has prodigious gifts and talent, and he likes to use them.

I hope Griffin never stops flushing on veterans' heads. He seems like a nice kid off the court, too.

Agreed !

We finally have a white superstar baller

Except that Griffin is not white. He's mixed race; dad is black, mom is white.

That leads to an interesting question, though: Who do you cats think is the best white player in the NBA? My vote goes to Kevin Love.

Still looks white to me although the dudes eyes don't look right, like one is looking away at all times. I bet he has crazy peripheral vision.

[pk500]

That leads to an interesting question, though: Who do you cats think is the best white player in the NBA? My vote goes to Kevin Love.

Uhh...Steve Nash. End of discussion.

Even now? Ahead of Nowitzki and Love? Pretty hard to argue with 21 points and 15 boards per game for Love, although 17 points and 11 assists per game for Nash still are quite impressive.

I just don't think it's a cut-and-dried as you think. Your Suns' bias is showing.

[JackB1]

That leads to an interesting question, though: Who do you cats think is the best white player in the NBA? My vote goes to Kevin Love.

Uhh...Steve Nash. End of discussion.

Uhh..not anymore. Dirk Niwitzki. He avg's 23 ppg compared to Nash's 17.
Both shoot 52%. Both 39% from 3. Niwitzki also has a higher efficiency
rating than Nash. Yes, Nash has more assists, but he's a PG and Dirk's a
forward. Seems like it's a pretty good discussion.

[dbdynsty25]

That leads to an interesting question, though: Who do you cats think is the best white player in the NBA? My vote goes to Kevin Love.

Uhh...Steve Nash. End of discussion.

Even now? Ahead of Nowitzki and Love? Pretty hard to argue with 21 points and 15 boards per game for Love, although 17 points and 11 assists per game for Nash still are quite impressive.

I just don't think it's a cut-and-dried as you think. Your Suns' bias is showing.

It's not a bias...do you think Minny trades Love for Nash? In a heartbeat (assuming they were halfway competitive of course). Nowitzki...probably not. So if anyone is better it would be Dirk. The fact that the Suns are only 2 games under .500 just goes to show the greatness of Nash since the rest of the team is a bunch of average guys at best.

Best shooter EVER...in NBA history. No one has ever had three years of 90% FT, 50% FG, 40% 3PT and Nash has done it 4 times (and a fifth time he just missed by shooting 89.9% FTs) and he's on pace to do it again this year. He's really freakin' remarkable...Stats don't tell the whole story...there have been some BAD BAD players that have had nice stats on crummy teams (Randolph, Zach comes to mind). I love KLove as a player, but he's on Minnesota...they have ZERO besides him.

[pk500]

All true. And you know the NBA way better than me.

But I'll counter by saying there are some who thought Stoudemire might not put up similar numbers in New York as Phoenix because he didn't have Nash feeding him superbly all game. But STAT has put up even better numbers this season with Felton at the point.

Of course, STAT's finishing ability makes Felton a better player more than Felton makes STAT a better player. And I'm not slamming Nash by the comparison. But the numbers don't lie. And you can say the Knicks have nothing around Amare, so he's going to score more. But Chandler, Felton and Gallinari all average 15.5 points per game or better.

I'm also not certain Minny trades Love for Nash in a heartbeat. It's pretty tough to replace a guy who puts up the kind of numbers and does the kind of dirty work that Love performs. Plus Love is making $3.6 million this season, while Nash is pulling down a deserved $10.3 mill. Also, Love is 22; Nash is just shy of 37.

I think Love is underrated simply because he doesn't do the kinds of sh*t that place him on "SportsCenter's" Top 10 plays twice per week. But just about every team in the NBA would want him.

Nash still is a great player. No doubt, he's a once-in-a-lifetime shooter. But if I'm an NBA GM, I'm not building my team around Nash. He's a superb rental for a title contender, as I think you're alluding. But is he a franchise player for now and the future? No. Love could be.

[dbdynsty25]

But I'll counter by saying there are some who thought Stoudemire might not put up similar numbers in New York as Phoenix because he didn't have Nash feeding him superbly all game. But STAT has put up even better numbers this season with Felton at the point.

Of course, STAT's finishing ability makes Felton a better player more than Felton makes STAT a better player. And I'm not slamming Nash by the comparison. But the numbers don't lie. And you can say the Knicks have nothing around Amare, so he's going to score more. But Chandler, Felton and Gallinari all average 15.5 points per game or better.

I'm also not certain Minny trades Love for Nash in a heartbeat. It's pretty tough to replace a guy who puts up the kind of numbers and does the kind of dirty work that Love performs. Plus Love is making $3.6 million this season, while Nash is pulling down a deserved $10.3 mill. Also, Love is 22; Nash is just shy of 37.

I think Love is underrated simply because he doesn't do the kinds of sh*t that place him on "SportsCenter's" Top 10 plays twice per week. But just about every team in the NBA would want him.

Nash still is a great player. No doubt, he's a once-in-a-lifetime shooter. But if I'm an NBA GM, I'm not building my team around Nash. He's a superb rental for a title contender, as I think you're alluding. But is he a franchise player for now and the future? No. Love could be.

Your counter is off base tho. If you look at Stat's numbers, his usage rate is up quite a bit so his numbers are actually identical when it comes to that stat. Yes, I'm an nba nerd when I start referencing usage rate and saber metrics in basketball, LOL. In it's simplest form it comes down to how many shots/touches he gets per game and where those touches are located on the court. He is basically the same player as he was in Phoenix. His stats are up slightly because his touches and shots are up, that's all there is to it. It's just because he's on a team where he is the center of everything, not Nash. And if you look at the Phoenix breakdown when he was there...there were always 2 or 3 other guys averaging around 15 a game as well. Nothing has changed for him really. The one area he's improved is his shot blocking...which was surprising to me because he was always a lazy defender in Phoenix.

Love is legit to be sure, but he's not a franchise guy. He'll end up plateauing at a Pau Gasol type...a very good player that's the 2nd best player on a good team. that's his ceiling in my opinion. Yes, every team would love to have him...hell, I wanted Phoenix to trade for him because I appreciate the kind of player he is, but franchise guy in the future...I'd doubt it.

[pk500]

But I'll counter by saying there are some who thought Stoudemire might not put up similar numbers in New York as Phoenix because he didn't have Nash feeding him superbly all game. But STAT has put up even better numbers this season with Felton at the point.

Of course, STAT's finishing ability makes Felton a better player more than Felton makes STAT a better player. And I'm not slamming Nash by the comparison. But the numbers don't lie. And you can say the Knicks have nothing around Amare, so he's going to score more. But Chandler, Felton and Gallinari all average 15.5 points per game or better.

I'm also not certain Minny trades Love for Nash in a heartbeat. It's pretty tough to replace a guy who puts up the kind of numbers and does the kind of dirty work that Love performs. Plus Love is making $3.6 million this season, while Nash is pulling down a deserved $10.3 mill. Also, Love is 22; Nash is just shy of 37.

I think Love is underrated simply because he doesn't do the kinds of sh*t that place him on "SportsCenter's" Top 10 plays twice per week. But just about every team in the NBA would want him.

Nash still is a great player. No doubt, he's a once-in-a-lifetime shooter. But if I'm an NBA GM, I'm not building my team around Nash. He's a superb rental for a title contender, as I think you're alluding. But is he a franchise player for now and the future? No. Love could be.

Your counter is off base tho. If you look at Stat's numbers, his usage rate is up quite a bit so his numbers are actually identical when it comes to that stat. Yes, I'm an nba nerd when I start referencing usage rate and saber metrics in basketball, LOL. In it's simplest form it comes down to how many shots/touches he gets per game and where those touches are located on the court. He is basically the same player as he was in Phoenix. His stats are up slightly because his touches and shots are up, that's all there is to it. It's just because he's on a team where he is the center of everything, not Nash. And if you look at the Phoenix breakdown when he was there...there were always 2 or 3 other guys averaging around 15 a game as well. Nothing has changed for him really. The one area he's improved is his shot blocking...which was surprising to me because he was always a lazy defender in Phoenix.

Love is legit to be sure, but he's not a franchise guy. He'll end up plateauing at a Pau Gasol type...a very good player that's the 2nd best player on a good team. that's his ceiling in my opinion. Yes, every team would love to have him...hell, I wanted Phoenix to trade for him because I appreciate the kind of player he is, but franchise guy in the future...I'd doubt it.

You know the NBA much better than me, man. You showed it again!

STAT still is a lazy defender in New York. Plus his rebounding stats are deceptive as hell. The guy is not a good, sound, physical presence under the basket. I'd guess at least half of his rebounds just fall into his hands or don't require any fighting underneath.

I still believe in Love.

[dbdynsty25]

STAT still is a lazy defender in New York. Plus his rebounding stats are deceptive as hell. The guy is not a good, sound, physical presence under the basket. I'd guess at least half of his rebounds just fall into his hands or don't require any fighting underneath.

I still believe in Love.

LOL...fair enough. You can love your Love. All good.

And yes, Stat is still lazy and yes, all of the rebounds fall in his lap. There's a reason the 6'7" Shawn Marion consistently outrebounded him by like 3 or 4 a game when they were together. Marion wanted it more...and half the time he was guarding the other teams best player, a lot of the time it was a perimeter guy which made it even more amazing he was out rebounding Amare consistently. I love Amare...hell, I've still got his signed Authentic Phoenix jersey from when I met him a few times when my mom was working there above my chair in my office...but he definitely has shortcomings which is why Phoenix didn't want to commit 5 years guaranteed cash to him (most notably the knees). Sure, it ruined the Suns for the rest of Nash's career there...so in retrospect, that was a poor poor decision.

[lexbur]

You know the NBA much better than me, man. You showed it again!

Yeah, tell me about it. That's why I owe him a video game.

[dbdynsty25]

You know the NBA much better than me, man. You showed it again!

Yeah, tell me about it. That's why I owe him a video game.

Still stuck on 8...and have lost 18 in a row now. Yikes. Even I didn't think it would get THAT bad. I figured they'd end up in the 20-25 range...not 15 (tops).

[Brando70]

I think we need a racial draft to settle who can claim Blake Griffin as their own.

[greggsand]

What's Griffin supposed to do, take a layup? This entire "Rookie, you need to pay your dues" mentality is bullsh*t. The kid has prodigious gifts and talent, and he likes to use them.

I hope Griffin never stops flushing on veterans' heads. He seems like a nice kid off the court, too.

Agreed !

We finally have a white superstar baller

Except that Griffin is not white. He's mixed race; dad is black, mom is white.

That leads to an interesting question, though: Who do you cats think is the best white player in the NBA? My vote goes to Kevin Love.

If I was drafting a team, Love would be my pick, BUT Nash is the best at this very moment.

[Diablo25]

Sixers continue to claw their way back to .500.