Codemasters presents F1 2010

[JRod]

It took me around 20-30 times around Malaysia just to get to 1:41. But wow does it feel good when you actually run a great lap. I wish the had more info, like telemetry and an ability to see past lap times.

It's not often when a game actually teaches you about a sport. But F1 in just a day is one of those special games.

[Zlax45]

I just sold NHL 11....should I use the credit to get this....FIFA comes out this week might hold off for a little.

[ScoopBrady]

I'm not the biggest racing game fan but for some reason I've always been a sucker for the F1 games going back to the old Psygnosis games on the PS1. I didn't get a chance to do to much other than run a couple of time trials and do a 10% race (which I finished last thanks to my multiple penalties ) but I was very impressed.

[Jimmydeicide]

It took me around 20-30 times around Malaysia just to get to 1:41. But wow does it feel good when you actually run a great lap. I wish the had more info, like telemetry and an ability to see past lap times.

It's not often when a game actually teaches you about a sport. But F1 in just a day is one of those special games.

Talking of lap times i did a 1:58 at Bahrain is it? the first track enough for pole on hard only to find out the lap record by Shumacher in 2004 is 1:31, someone tell me the track layout has changed please there is no way i could find another 27 seconds even in a Red Bull.

Anyone recall what the ai times where like on expert is it a couple of seconds or like 10 seconds between difficulty levels.

To anyone on the fence about this game i would venture to say this might be one game that anyone can enjoy its just done really well It screams quality everywhere.
My 12yr old daughter even wanted in on the action after seeing me play it even the wife said id like to give that a try too and her gaming career consists of wii bowling. So i switch it to easy and off my little girl went and within a lap it was laughter shouting at how hard it is and "get me to a track with no gravel i hate that stuff"
So A switch to Singapore at night did the trick she played for close to an hour with her highest finish being 9th
Now that is a good video game.

[10spro]

To anyone on the fence about this game i would venture to say this might be one game that anyone can enjoy its just done really well It screams quality everywhere.
My 12yr old daughter even wanted in on the action after seeing me play it even the wife said id like to give that a try too and her gaming career consists of wii bowling. So i switch it to easy and off my little girl went and within a lap it was laughter shouting at how hard it is and "get me to a track with no gravel i hate that stuff"
So A switch to Singapore at night did the trick she played for close to an hour with her highest finish being 9th
Now that is a good video game.

Man, this is so tempting. Does it support the MS wheel and if so how does play with it? Sucker for F1.

[Jimmydeicide]

To anyone on the fence about this game i would venture to say this might be one game that anyone can enjoy its just done really well It screams quality everywhere.
My 12yr old daughter even wanted in on the action after seeing me play it even the wife said id like to give that a try too and her gaming career consists of wii bowling. So i switch it to easy and off my little girl went and within a lap it was laughter shouting at how hard it is and "get me to a track with no gravel i hate that stuff"
So A switch to Singapore at night did the trick she played for close to an hour with her highest finish being 9th
Now that is a good video game.

Man, this is so tempting. Does it support the MS wheel and if so how does play with it? Sucker for F1.

I'm sure it does but im on ps3 with a dfp but that handles like a dream best control ive witnessed on a console.

[macsomjrr]

Had a ton of fun last night desperately trying to beat Terry's ghost at Bahrain. Came close a couple times but can't seem to get closer than a second. Really enjoying the racing in this game.

Online can be fun but too many people trying to win the race in the first corner isnt.

[GB_Simo]

Had a ton of fun last night desperately trying to beat Terry's ghost at Bahrain. Came close a couple times but can't seem to get closer than a second. Really enjoying the racing in this game.

Oh really...? To the 360!

Online can be fun but too many people trying to win the race in the first corner isnt.

Same old same old, then. I would imagine that the races, particularly the opening laps, would be a lot of fun with people who understand that the object is to lead at the end, not the start. The idea of taking on the randoms makes me shudder.

Jimmy, that bloody awful middle sector in Bahrain is new for 2010, and it makes the lap about 30 seconds longer than it was before. The new sector was so well received that for 2011, they're going back to the previous layout.

[Jimmydeicide]

Thanks Simo im not too far off then , and yes that is an awful section but it does open up nicely very fun.

[spooky157]

Talking of lap times i did a 1:58 at Bahrain is it? the first track enough for pole on hard only to find out the lap record by Shumacher in 2004 is 1:31, someone tell me the track layout has changed please there is no way i could find another 27 seconds even in a Red Bull.

Anyone recall what the ai times where like on expert is it a couple of seconds or like 10 seconds between difficulty levels.

Yes - they completely re-did the entire second sector last season.

AI times don't seem that drastic between the difficulty levels. I'm seeing a difference of about 4 seconds for the pole sitters from the Beginner level up to Legendary.

This game is a blast. The AI is fun to race with (a Codemasters specialty) and the cars behave realistically enough for me to believe that I'm in an F1 car. I'm sure the physics are dumbed down somewhat for the PC sim guys but driving on Expert level is pretty darn challenging. I got online and did some time trials against Zeppo's ghost on the Bahrain track. Very slick and lots of fun.

The interface can be a bit confusing at first but the online package, career mode - all features are so robust and well done. Hard to think of another first effort with such a demanding subject being this polished. I've read about some of the bugs and the Codies forums are ablaze with complaints but it's not ruining my fun so far. I expected some F1 fans to flame away given the technical nature of the sport but this is better than I expected from CM given how much I disliked GRID.

I'd love to get some online sessions in with you guys. I'll be out of town for most of the next few weeks so I hope this game has some staying power with everyone.

[Rodster]

Looks like F1 2010 works better for me with Windows XP than Windows 7. Runs a lot smoother in XP.

[fletcher21]

Is there a way to turn off flat tires? PS3 version.

[Rodster]

Is there a way to turn off flat tires? PS3 version.

Just a guess but try turning off:

1) Tyre Simulation or 2) Damage

[Zeppo]

I noticed when I set a new time trial time for Bahrain that I and Simo have a little nodule in the 'setup' section of the leaderboards. I guess that's because I used a slightly lower downforce 'quick setup' that I had settled on, whereas I imagine Mac and Terry just hit the track. I think I prefer the no setup option, so sorry about that confusion. I couldn't believe I had beat your guys times, so I'm guessing that has a lot to do with it!

[TCrouch]

I just wanted to see what it was. I went out, turned 2 laps, and that was it. So no confusion here, lol

[fletcher21]

Bad news, guys. It seems that the AI cars on the track are really just there to simulate a race, but the times they are running on the track are NOT the times they are listed as running. Here's a link:

http://community.codemasters.com/forum/ ... ney-2.html




This post REALLY struck me:

The AI seen driving round the track bares little relation to the times posted.


Proof
Just raced on Bahrain and started in sixth. At the end of the 1st lap i was second. My lap time was 2:03. Webber was in first, he was at most a second a head on track yet his lap time was 2:00. The big issue was Kubica. He was 3rd, yet his lap time was 1:59. This is impossible. There is no way that on the first lap Kubica can go round the track 1 second quicker than Webber, 4 seconds quicker than me and still end up in 3rd at the end of said lap.

If the AI we see on the track are not posting the lap times and just populated like cars in GTA that would explain lots of the issues I have with the game

No split times - cause the AI isnt actually lapping

Strange AI pit stops(questioning whether the AI has made a pit stop)

No penalties for the AI


This game is a time trial with the AI just there to act as blockers of the racing line. The AI difficulty isnt how well they drive just how aggressively they defend the racing line. Should really have expected this from a game based on a rally engine.




So basically, this game is more of a time trial than actual racing. With all the bugs, there are people wondering if the whole thing will get recalled and scrapped. What a disaster! Too bad too, because what is here has been fun so far. I love the driving model, but it seems the racing model is contrived and a total fraud.

[vader29]

Strange AI pit stops(questioning whether the AI has made a pit stop)

I started a career on the easiest level and started in 25th position, in a 10 lap race I made it to 8th position in lap 5 and held it there until I pitted in lap 8 and came out of the pits in 24th place and finished there, seemed like most of the ai cars didn't make a required pit stop. Love the driving view though, may have to break out the steering wheel to try on this one.

[Rodster]

Haha the Codie's forum is on fire !!!

But really what do you expect? They got the license what a year, year and a half ago? That doesn't leave a lot of time for development to build a game from scratch. Still kinda disappointed now that Fletch has poured cold water over F1 2010. OK so it's official then that Geoff Crammond's Grand Prix 4 AI is still the pinnacle of racing AI.

[fletcher21]

I didn't post that to ruin anyone's enjoyment of the game, I just think everyone deserves the TRUTH. This game is a sham, PERIOD!!!
People asked why you couldn't watch a video replay of the AI cars, and the developers claimed it was due to the system limitations. That feature was available on F1 World Grand Prix on N64!!! I dunno. The driving is fun, but the RACING is an embarrassment, a sham, a lie and a f***in JOKE. I may call Gamestop and ask for a refund. Product is not as described. Racing in practice is FUN. I just wish the "Racing" wasn't more fake Jenna Jameson's tits.

I can handle a game that tries but fails to execute. The developers just LIED to all of us, period! What happened to the days when Codemasters stood for quality and integrity? This is a sham. I will never own another game made by Codies again. f***in assholes!!!

[Rodster]

I didn't post that to ruin anyone's enjoyment of the game, I just think everyone deserves the TRUTH. This game is a sham, PERIOD!!!
People asked why you couldn't watch a video replay of the AI cars, and the developers claimed it was due to the system limitations. That feature was available on F1 World Grand Prix on N64!!! I dunno. The driving is fun, but the RACING is an embarrassment, a sham, a lie and a f***in JOKE. I may call Gamestop and ask for a refund. Product is not as described. Racing in practice is FUN. I just wish the "Racing" wasn't more fake Jenna Jameson's tits.

I can handle a game that tries but fails to execute. The developers just LIED to all of us, period! What happened to the days when Codemasters stood for quality and integrity? This is a sham. I will never own another game made by Codies again. f***in assholes!!!

Bah you're being too harsh, they'll fix all this stuff for next year but on the flip side i'll just stick with the PC version instead.

[GB_Simo]

With all the bugs, there are people wondering if the whole thing will get recalled and scrapped. What a disaster! Too bad too, because what is here has been fun so far. I love the driving model, but it seems the racing model is contrived and a total fraud.

There are indeed people wondering if the whole thing will get recalled and scrapped. It might be worth reading some more threads on the official forum to get a feel for those people, their temperament and, in a great many cases, their unshakeable faith in the idea that their opinion is the same one held by everyone else in the entire world.

It's a game with some bugs in it. Whoop-de-sh*t. None of them are currently ruining my enjoyment of the game, and if the AI are giving the illusion of being part of a proper motor race (which, to this point, they are) I couldn't really give a monkey's cuss exactly how it's being done. The game didn't suddenly become calamitous to me because someone on a forum said it should, but that doesn't appear to be the case for those on the Codies forum. They'll live, the poor lambs, as will you. Enjoy what's there, mate, because there remains plenty to like.

[fletcher21]

There won't be a next time for me. It's one thing when replays look bad or there is clipping, but to make a "Racing" game this contrived, but still billing it as a racing sim is an outrage. I only buy 3 or 4 games a year. I guess I am more pissed off about finding out this game is a sham. It's like I met this gorgeous new girl, only to find out she's a post op transgender. Kinda sours me to the point now I just want to burn this disc and piss on the ashes. I think the magazines and online sites are in on the lie, too. NO ONE mentioned this stuff in any review, yet people are experiencing it within hours of playing? Something's rotten in Denmark. I guess if you want an honest racing game you have to stick to PC games like rFactor. Console developers have no love for sim racers. Sims don't sell, games like this and Need for Speed sell. I am sure I am over-reacting here, but I feel like I wasted 60 bucks. I am coming off an 80 hour work week and was looking to unwind with this game. Now I am going to call Gamestop and inquire about a refund. Even 60 dollars store credit is fine, I don't need cash.

[GB_Simo]

I noticed when I set a new time trial time for Bahrain that I and Simo have a little nodule in the 'setup' section of the leaderboards. I guess that's because I used a slightly lower downforce 'quick setup' that I had settled on, whereas I imagine Mac and Terry just hit the track. I think I prefer the no setup option, so sorry about that confusion. I couldn't believe I had beat your guys times, so I'm guessing that has a lot to do with it!

Zep, where is the setup section of the leaderboards? I tried to find it by picking a car and track I'd never used before, driving straight out of the pits for a lap and quitting, and my leaderboard entry for that (HRT at Suzuka) looks exactly the same as my Toro Rosso entry for Bahrain, as far as I can see.

I did use a lower downforce quick setup in Bahrain too (the first of the 'dry' setups), but when I put it back to the last 'adaptable' setup, which I'm sure is the one the game puts you on by default, I ended up going ever so slightly faster. I'm not sure the setup contributed to your Bahrain time anything like as much as your driving did, mate.

[dbdynsty25]

Okay...we get it fletch you don't like it. Sell it and move on. The rest of us like it...so stop trying to convince everyone your opinion is grand. We get enough of that in the Madden forum.

[Rodster]

I seriously doubt if the game will be scrapped or recalled. There are far worse games than this and EA is living proof you can make a total mess of the F1 license up until the very last one they did. I agree with you there's a lot to like and i'm having a lot of fun with it but there are some "the hardcore crowd" that hated anything from Codie's when they replaced the Toca series with Race Driver and Colin McRae became Dirt. So this just gives the haters more fuel to the fire.

But on the positive side look at all that was done within a years time. It really is a fun game up until this discovery. I'll just sit with the PC version until there is a response from Codie's on this development.