Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 11 for Consoles - First info

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:40 pm

Pretty sure you won't go wrong there, especially since little is known of how the PS3 Arc functionality will compare. If they get it to work just like the Wii version with the same TruView camera angles, I will be all over the PS3 version when the Arc is available.

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:46 pm

DivotMaker wrote:Pretty sure you won't go wrong there, especially since little is known of how the PS3 Arc functionality will compare. If they get it to work just like the Wii version with the same TruView camera angles, I will be all over the PS3 version when the Arc is available.

That's what worries me the most is the tack on after it's released. That's not EA's fault but just more of a timed release. At this point the Wii is on it's what 3rd year and last year was already perfect wrt the WiiMote.

I already ordered mine at Amazon.com, looking forward to June 8th.

Post by **Jared** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:46 pm

Danimal wrote:Hell I would say that if you come to this conclusion, then you would have to conclude that GT is being paid for his anti-EA agenda over the 4 years I have been here. It finally got him banned from OS, how he continues to get away with it on this forum is beyond me.

Was that even necessary? No. I'd say in stricter forums, post like above could also get you banned as well (unnecessary flame post). But that's not the way I moderate. If you have a problem with that...well, too bad.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:53 pm

Danimal wrote:An that fact that GT alludes that it is part of his job now that he is a Game changer as if he were being paid is ridiculous. Sure GC's are suppose to be active in the community, but the people selected were already active. it's not like they were told you need this many posts a month for your check.

Hell I would say that if you come to this conclusion, then you would have to conclude that GT is being paid for his anti-EA agenda over the 4 years I have been here. It finally got him banned from OS, how he continues to get away with it on this forum is beyond me.

At least Tim isn't hiding from the fact he has a relationship.

So, does he get paid to be a Game Changer? Free games? How about travel? Airfare, food, hotel, etc.? If so then it would seem he has a somewhat vested interest in whether people buy the game.

Personally, I agree with JRod 110%, and I don't really care if we're in the minority or if Dan (still sending goody bags to Tiburon, Dan?) or the OS mods like it. I think EA is slimy in ways that no other game maker is and that the unidentified Game Changers and Pasta Padres of the world should be outted, even if 9 out of 10 forum members were already aware of the conflict of interest. The 1 who wasn't aware deserves to know, IMO.

Look at how 2k and SCEA handle it. Think 2kRonnie or SCEA Russell ever have to talk about undisclosed conflicts of interest? I appreciate getting early information as much as anyone, and I have nothing personal against Divot, I just agree with JRod it should be exposed for what it is.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:04 pm

Jared wrote:
JRod wrote:And as for attacking Tim this has nothing to do with our opinion of the TW. I has to do with the fact that you weren't upfront on your relationship with TW. And that relationship seems to have you "like clockwork" come here and promote/defend TW. That was my problem with you. As fletcher said, you were quick to defend but not quick to criticize. You did change your tune in the last year or so. And most of you coming straight has been me questioning how do you get this information if you just are an avid gamer.

Now that your history in full is open for DSP to see that's all I've been asking for for the last few years. It's too bad you didn't volunteer this instead a DSP'er had to post it for you.
I've known about his relationship with Tiger Woods for YEARS, and this wasn't from some sort of inside information....I knew through content in his posts (and, by these other posts, lots of other members have too). And I've seen him criticize TW in the past as well.

We've all known that he had insider information my problem was that why was he getting this insider information?

Yes we all knew he had some relationship with Tiger's Devs but the problem was that we didn't know what it was. He would say at times oh I did X for them or Y and yet every release cycle he would be the one disseminating TW news. So for me that went beyond just being an avid TW-fan to having some vested interest in the game because no one is going to post about TW like Tim did every release cycle.

I'm not anti-EA, anti-TW or anti-Tim. I just wanted to know his relationship with EA.

Post by **Jared** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:10 pm

"Exposed for what it is"?

Ugh. Seriously. It has been common knowledge on these forums for YEARS that Divot is affiliated with TW. It's as if you've uncovered Watergate or something. But, to make some people happy:

DIVOTMAKER IS AFFILIATED WITH THE TIGER WOODS FRANCHISE

Now, can we be done with this topic? And GTHobbes and Danimal: take your personal feud out of these forums. This is your warning.

Post by **Jared** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:12 pm

JRod wrote:Yes we all knew he had some relationship with Tiger's Devs but the problem was that we didn't know what it was. He would say at times oh I did X for them or Y and yet every release cycle he would be the one disseminating TW news. So for me that went beyond just being an avid TW-fan to having some vested interest in the game because no one is going to post about TW like Tim did every release cycle.

But most of us DID know. I knew that he was an EA Community organizer or something like that for a while, and he might have had some other position as well that I can't remember (mainly because I don't really care). We know his current affiliation; I'm sure it's VERY clear right now, and now it's time to drop it.

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:15 pm

Jared wrote:"Exposed for what it is"?

Ugh. Seriously. It has been common knowledge on these forums for YEARS that Divot is affiliated with TW. It's as if you've uncovered Divotgate or something. But, to make some people happy:

DIVOTMAKER IS AFFILIATED WITH THE TIGER WOODS FRANCHISE

Now, can we be done with this topic? And GTHobbes and Danimal: take your personal feud out of these forums. This is your warning.

There fixed.

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:22 pm

DivotMaker wrote:
Jimmydeicide wrote:
DivotMaker wrote: And like clockwork, you attack me every year.....Blah, blah, effing blah....
Is he right about the ball physics though? Thats the reason i never buy a tiger game.
You could start by telling me what you think is wrong with the ball physics and I will do my best to answer you....

Its more on the green when you hit a full sand wedge for instance it sometimes wouldnt bounce it would just roll same as some chip shots and then you would get the full swing animation along with it for a double wammy.
I dont want to play on hard greens just to get the ball to react realisticly on the greens.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:25 pm

Jared wrote:
JRod wrote:Yes we all knew he had some relationship with Tiger's Devs but the problem was that we didn't know what it was. He would say at times oh I did X for them or Y and yet every release cycle he would be the one disseminating TW news. So for me that went beyond just being an avid TW-fan to having some vested interest in the game because no one is going to post about TW like Tim did every release cycle.
But most of us DID know. I knew that he was an EA Community organizer or something like that for a while, and he might have had some other position as well that I can't remember (mainly because I don't really care). We know his current affiliation; I'm sure it's VERY clear right now, and now it's time to drop it.

I didn't know he was an EA community organizer. I know he worked on or with TW at some point and that he did some stuff on the forums We know his current situation and like I said that's all I cared about it.

Maybe I wasn't clear but Jared I think this was dropped when I posted after GTH. I'm just saying why I posted as I did.

And now Jared don't take potshots like I'm trying to insinuate this is watergate. I didn't know his relationship with TW. I know some from his posts. That would mean that I would have to read this forum and TW threads 24/7.

I think I was was clear that I just wanted Tim to be upfront and GTH posted his relationship with TW/WE but obviously I needed to write in caps for you to get it. PERSONALLY I JUST WANTED TO KNOW HIS RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW. It's known and I dropped this when it came to light but I guess I wasn't explicit.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:25 pm

And Rodster stop being a child about this.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:03 pm

I'm done too. Hell, I don't even really like golf. Sorry.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:03 pm

GTHobbes wrote:So, does he get paid to be a Game Changer? Free games? How about travel? Airfare, food, hotel, etc.? If so then it would seem he has a somewhat vested interest in whether people buy the game.

No, I do not get "paid" not compensated for being a "Game Changer" member. Do I get free games? Yes. Why? Because I have moderated the TW forums for over TEN YEARS which I have stated here many times before. Is the fact that I get to go to Tiburon on their dime considered "compensation"? If you say so. EA would love to pay me for all the times I have pulled their collective asses out of the fire, especially when users report the online servers are down. At last count, I have reported over 200 server outages from the community to EA over the past 10 years. Was I compensated for this? No. I have also spent thousands of hours moderating their TW forums over the years and not once have I asked for compensation. I do it because I have some time to do it and I love the game and the community that plays it. If EA sending me to TW Community Day "compensates" me, then so be it. I won't argue with it, but I can make a pretty damn strong case that what I DO receive from them is very "under-compensated" when you take into context everything I have done for them and the community over the years. One only has to find the post from other users stating the same sentiments to know that my contributions to the TW Community ARE valued. And last time I looked, everyone but you and jrod feel the same way about my contributions here.

GTHobbes wrote:Personally, I agree with JRod 110%, and I don't really care if we're in the minority or if Dan (still sending goody bags to Tiburon, Dan?) or the OS mods like it. I think EA is slimy in ways that no other game maker is and that the unidentified Game Changers and Pasta Padres of the world should be outted, even if 9 out of 10 forum members were already aware of the conflict of interest. The 1 who wasn't aware deserves to know, IMO.

Good for you. Hope you two are happy being on that island you have created for yourselves. As far as "Game Changers" is concerned, this is EA's attempt to finally bring the EA Sports gaming community and EA together to discuss the games and how to make them and the community BETTER. This directive is from Peter Moore himself, who I was fortunate enough to meet at Tiburon last month. If bringing the community and the company that makes the games they play together is "slimy", then I feel sorry for you for being so misinformed. Of course your blatant hatred for EA is coming out again as it does in most of your posts here, so it is anything but surprising. Lastly, Game Changers is not a secret and EA is openly asking users if they want to be a member. How you can construe this as some sort of secret society that needs to be "outed" is beyond me.

GTHobbes wrote:Look at how 2k and SCEA handle it. Think 2kRonnie or SCEA Russell ever have to talk about undisclosed conflicts of interest? I appreciate getting early information as much as anyone, and I have nothing personal against Divot, I just agree with JRod it should be exposed for what it is.

AGAIN, where is this "undisclosed conflict of interest"? Have I once stated in ANY post for users to go buy TW11 or any other version? All I have done is created a thread to give TW users here some information about te new game and its new features, many of which have been discussed here as features THIS community would like to see. If that is an "undisclosed conflict of interest", then you and I have VERY different definitions for such a term. Instead of throwing out baseless and misinformed accusations towards me and EA, why don't you go back to your anti-EA threads that you are famous for and keep "looking for the real killers" like OJ was doing.....

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:05 pm

JRod wrote:And Rodster stop being a child about this.

And who came into this thread and took a crap in it?

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:11 pm

Rodster wrote:
DivotMaker wrote:
Danimal wrote:Hmm so is a golf ball required as a visual reference point?

I would become frustrated if i was whiffing or chunking shots and had no idea why?

So theoretically if you set up a ball and did somethign stupid like put it 12 inches in front of your left foot (right handed golfer0 and then tried to swing with that as your reference point you would whiff or hit a god awful shot right?
Watch the Wii tutorial video for a better explanation....

http://tigerwoodspgatour.easports.com/h ... id=eas1853
True View is fecking awesome and turns TW 11 for the Wii into a golf simulator

True View does look good. Sold.

And I made that decision all on my own.

fletcher21 · Post by **fletcher21** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:12 pm

Good info, Divot! I have a lot higher hopes for TW11 now than I did a week ago. It has gone from a definite pass to a potential #1 day purchase. I really am looking forward to a challenge again. If TW could be to golf games what The Show is to baseball games, we'd have a hellllla game on our hands. Divot, why is Titleist not really represented in the game? Of all the balls you can purchase not one of them is Titleist. Seems odd to me since such a high % of the real pros play that ball. Did Nike pay money to keep them out due to the fact that Tiger is a Nike guy? I know some of the golfers wear a Titleist hat, but there is no option to purchase a Titleist ball.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:16 pm

fletcher21 wrote:Good info, Divot! I have a lot higher hopes for TW11 now than I did a week ago. It has gone from a definite pass to a potential #1 day purchase. I really am looking forward to a challenge again. If TW could be to golf games what The Show is to baseball games, we'd have a hellllla game on our hands. Divot, why is Titleist not really represented in the game? Of all the balls you can purchase not one of them is Titleist. Seems odd to me since such a high % of the real pros play that ball. Did Nike pay money to keep them out due to the fact that Tiger is a Nike guy? I know some of the golfers wear a Titleist hat, but there is no option to purchase a Titleist ball.

Fletch,

I do not think TW11 will reach the level of realism you find in MLB The Show yet, but it is getting there bit by bit every year.

My understanding is that the licensing for Titleist is prohibitively expensive. Especially since the game carries the name of Tiger Woods on the cover....

Badgun · Post by **Badgun** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:22 pm

I think I remember back when Tim first came on the scene and he disclosed that he had an in with EA and the TW team. Correct me if I am wrong but I think he was a photographer and went around and took pictures of the golf courses for EA and by that relationship he always got in the beta for the upcoming TW games. Now I could be wrong because I could be confusing him with another guy I knew that did the same thing for the Links series.

At any rate, I don't think Tim has ever tried to hide his relationship with EA nor has he hidden his passion for the TW series.

I've always thought Tim was a pretty straight shooter and always appreciated the info he provided. Yes, he has defended EA in the past and not only the TW series, but the Madden series as well. Again, I have no problem with that because his relationship with EA would create a certain amount of loyalty.

With that being said, I am honestly appalled after reading this thread that someone who has been a valuable community member here at DSP is being treated as some cheap company shill as if he is only here to peddle his latest wares.

I don't think Tim has ever falsely misrepresented any of the Tiger Woods games and has normally been an absolute wealth of info for the series. I'd love to have the perfect golf game and I think we get a little closer each year, but you have to remember that we're not buying a car or a house...it's a $60 game. I buy it every year just like I do Madden and last year's version was the best console golf game that we have ever seen even though it still had its problems.

Tim, I for one have always appreciated your presence even if you didn't always tell me what I wanted to hear. I have always felt we were fortunate to have someone with ties to the TW series as a regular member here and have never viewed you as a shill or a false promoter. Please continue to post TW info here as I am sure there are a lot of us that are interested.

fletcher21 · Post by **fletcher21** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:31 pm

Divot: How much do you think the Tiger Woods name helps sell this game? Would it sell a lot fewer copies if it were Phil Mickelson 11 do you think? I remember hearing people wonder if EA would ditch Tiger a while back when the scandals hit and he started losing sponsors. How big of a role do you think Tiger Woods plays in the sales of this title?

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:47 pm

fletcher21 wrote:Divot: How much do you think the Tiger Woods name helps sell this game? Would it sell a lot fewer copies if it were Phil Mickelson 11 do you think? I remember hearing people wonder if EA would ditch Tiger a while back when the scandals hit and he started losing sponsors. How big of a role do you think Tiger Woods plays in the sales of this title?

I think sales will suffer this year because of Tiger and what has come out since Thanksgiving. EA is expecting it too. There was a feature coming out for TW11 that I cannot discuss at all that would have guaranteed TW11 to be the best selling Tiger and Golf game on any platform, but unfortunately it was scrapped after Tiger's off course activities were revealed. One day, I will be able to tell everyone what this feature was and I am REALLY pissed at Tiger because his activities forced the cancellation of this feature.

I do not believe Phil Mickelson can draw the kind of support that Tiger did in the past. I also know that Phil is not interested in being the cover boy or focus of any video Golf game as of today....

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:57 pm

[quote="DivotMaker There was a feature coming out for TW11 that I cannot discuss at all that would have guaranteed TW11 to be the best selling Tiger and Golf game on any platform, but unfortunately it was scrapped after Tiger's off course activities were revealed. [/quote]

My guess......Augusta finally gave them rights to use their course but scrapped it after Tiger's off course activities surfaced.

bulls23 · Post by **bulls23** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:35 pm

{/quote]

I've known about his relationship with Tiger Woods for YEARS, and this wasn't from some sort of inside information....I knew through content in his posts (and, by these other posts, lots of other members have too). And I've seen him criticize TW in the past as well.[/quote]

So Divotmaker, you were one of Tiger Woods' extramarital affairs???!!!

Seriously, you have to do something to get multiplayer Tour in this year's game.

fletcher21 · Post by **fletcher21** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:14 pm

DivotMaker wrote:
fletcher21 wrote: I do not believe Phil Mickelson can draw the kind of support that Tiger did in the past.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:48 pm

Badgun wrote:I think I remember back when Tim first came on the scene and he disclosed that he had an in with EA and the TW team. Correct me if I am wrong but I think he was a photographer and went around and took pictures of the golf courses for EA and by that relationship he always got in the beta for the upcoming TW games. Now I could be wrong because I could be confusing him with another guy I knew that did the same thing for the Links series.

At any rate, I don't think Tim has ever tried to hide his relationship with EA nor has he hidden his passion for the TW series.

I've always thought Tim was a pretty straight shooter and always appreciated the info he provided. Yes, he has defended EA in the past and not only the TW series, but the Madden series as well. Again, I have no problem with that because his relationship with EA would create a certain amount of loyalty.

With that being said, I am honestly appalled after reading this thread that someone who has been a valuable community member here at DSP is being treated as some cheap company shill as if he is only here to peddle his latest wares.

I don't think Tim has ever falsely misrepresented any of the Tiger Woods games and has normally been an absolute wealth of info for the series. I'd love to have the perfect golf game and I think we get a little closer each year, but you have to remember that we're not buying a car or a house...it's a $60 game. I buy it every year just like I do Madden and last year's version was the best console golf game that we have ever seen even though it still had its problems.

Tim, I for one have always appreciated your presence even if you didn't always tell me what I wanted to hear. I have always felt we were fortunate to have someone with ties to the TW series as a regular member here and have never viewed you as a shill or a false promoter. Please continue to post TW info here as I am sure there are a lot of us that are interested.

Considering this is directed at me...

All I said was that I believe there exists a conflict on interest. And all that needed to exist was his current relationship with EA. I think that's the clearest way to put it.

I never said his insight on TW wasn't valuable but what were/are his reasons for his Tiger news. That has come to light.

I did say you "sell" this every year. What I meant by that was last year, I remember the TW selling points (and some of Tim's posts) was on how much TW accuracy has changed. It just felt like the Madden line "oh we really changed the AI so it's now uber-realistic." Yet the reality never met that perception. So I'm weary on how much change they are going to offer considering that realistic golf isn't what many people want out of the game.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:45 pm

Jared wrote:Was that even necessary? No. I'd say in stricter forums, post like above could also get you banned as well (unnecessary flame post). But that's not the way I moderate. If you have a problem with that...well, too bad.

I'll send my reply in a PM, especially in regards to his last post.