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TheTruth · Post by **TheTruth** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:09 pm

Ready whenever u are eman.

TheGamer2 · Post by **TheGamer2** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:44 pm

Cowboys beat the Giants 24-21 on a last second field goal by Nick Folk. The Boys were clearly trying to give the game away as Romo threw 3 ints, including one returned for a TD by the Giants M. Boley and Patrick Crayton fumbled 2 punt returns including one that was returned by K.Dockery from 12 yards out. The Boys were able to score immediately after every Giants score, first on a 10yd scamper by Felix Jones, and then on a 9yd TD pass from Romo to Crayton. Again the Giants were able to score to start the 3rd quarter, this time on a 70 catch and run by T.Beckum from Eli Manning, but the Boys were able to capitalize again on drive that culminated in a 18 yd touch pass from Romo to Miles Austin.

In the 4th quarter the teams traded possessions with the Giants pinning the Dallas on their own 8 yard line, which resulted in a three and out. The Boys punted giving the Giants excellent field position at their own 47. A holding call on the Giants OL pushed them back to 1st and 20 from the 37, which resulted in another punt. From there, the Boys drove the length of the field with 4:47 left, milking the clock, culminating in a 22 yd game winning field goal as time ran out.

Great game G7. Very sloppy on my part. I caught myself trying to do too much passing and taking too many risks on punt returns. I'm really missing Marion Barber in my run game. I was really trying to run from DEs Tuck and Umenyora but you kept hemming me up everytime I tried to go outside. Jones and Choice just don't have the power to run up the middle.

Up next, Boys return home to face the Chargers and the G-Men gear up for a crucial division game against the Eagles.

tmdba37 · Post by **tmdba37** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:54 pm

My game with Badgun just froze up. . .and I was driving too to tie the game. . .and it's been a battle royale so far. . .

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:16 am

I'm pretty pissed right now after taking one on the chin 42-13 to the cpu Packers. It took every ounce of will power not to disconnect during this game especially considering I'm in a division race with Nozzleman and his game disconnected while he was losing and he won the rematch. I am still in shock at what transpired on the field.

The Packers first touchdown came on the 3rd play of the game where a pass to the flats turned into Ryan Grant busting through 4 defenders on his way to a 70+ yard td.

The Packers second td came on their next possession on an innocent pass that was enough for a first down but the WR shed the tackle and went the distance. That made it 14-3.

My next 3, count them motherfuckin 3, goddamn possessions ended with interceptions returned for touchdowns. Each interception was the result of the quarterback getting hit when he threw the ball. I go into the half trailing 35-3.

I start the second half with the ball and score a quick 10 points but couldn't do anything else despite getting in the redzone several times.

And if I wasn't pissed enough by the fourth quarter the Packers faked a punt late in the game, which I fortunately stopped, and threw the ball on a 3rd-and-long with 40 seconds to play up 35-13. That's how the last touchdown was scored.

Games like this happen but that doesn't make it any easier to swallow. I felt like I dominated the game outside of the big plays but I'm the one on the wrong end of a lopsided score.

Slumberland · Post by **Slumberland** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:25 am

Jets over CPU Bills to the tune of 34-0. They got it in the red zone once, then threw a pick. One more CPU game to follow, then back to living competition.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:47 am

I feel for you, Scoop. Go back and check my write up for my opener against the f'in Packers. That's just no damn fun when that happens.

tmdba37 · Post by **tmdba37** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:00 am

Badgun,

I want to publically apologize for my 360 crashing tonight during our first game. I really appreciate the fact that you were willing to start our game over.

The win in the second game brings me no joy whatsoever. I am not happy with the result as the crash really took the wind out of our first game, which was filled with a ton of big plays and near misses. . .

I am really sorry and hope to make it up to you in the future. . .

Thanks
-Todd

Badgun · Post by **Badgun** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:06 am

Just played my game vs. Titans and I have to say I am extremely pissed. I was winning 21-14 with 5:56 left in the third when my opponent got disconnected. It said he quit and gave me the option to finish against the cpu. I chose not to and went back out to the menus. I didn't know if I should finish against the cpu or not, but I certainly didn't think it was fair to have to start over when I was winning and moving the ball at will.

I knew if I started over that I would lose and sure enough that's what happened. It was like playing two different games. I could not move the ball and I could not stop him. Anyway, just saying Colts lose to Titans 17-0 after being up 21-14.

I started off 0-4 and I had won 6 of 7 to get back to 6-5 and to have this happen just pisses me off.

eman · Post by **eman** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:21 am

Eagles remain in NFC East hunt, knock off first place Falcons 17-14

Donovan McNabb completed passes to 9 different receivers as the Eagles used everyone with a green jersey to eek out a win against the surging Altanta Falcons 17-14 Tuesday night. The win snaps a 4 game losing streak for the once 7-0 Eagles and puts them back in the congested NFC playoff race.

.........................Eagles.........Falcons
1st Downs .............12.............. 7
3rd Downs Att.........8................5
3rd Downs Eff..........4................2
4rd Downs Att.........3................1
4rd Downs Eff..........3................1

Total Yards............341............291
Pass Yards.............146............130
Pass Int.................1.................1
Tot Off..................242............194
Rush......................96..............64
TOP......................18:42........13:18
Score.....................17..............14

About the only bad news for the Eagles is that Dallas (9-3) nipped the Giants (7-5) on a last second FG 24-21. The win keeps the Cowboys a game up on the Eagles (8-4) and Redskins (8-4). The Giants (7-5) become desperate as they fall two games off the lead in a game they had to have against Dallas.

Atlanta falls to 7-5, but still control the NFC South and seem poised to make the playoffs. Of their remaining games only Slumberland's Jets have a winning record. The Jets are fresh off a 34-0 beat down of the CPU controlled Bills and appear to be one of the better teams in the AFC, so this should prove to be an interesting match-up.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:56 am

Scoop - Sorry brother but thanks for being honorable. I think it is pretty pointless to show how many times someone restarted anyway since as commish I can't do anything. Not saying I don't believe Nozzleman just stating the obvious in that I can't do anything about results. He asked me if he should replay the game or have it simmed and I told him to replay it.

Bad - I know Todd very well and i can assure you he would never quit to avoid a loss, considering how much time was left in your game there is no guarantee it was a lock. Trust me when I tell you I know how it feels, I was really upset last week. Just take a breath it will be better tomorrow, plus you get to beat up on me later this week.

Badgun · Post by **Badgun** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:59 am

Danimal wrote:Scoop - Sorry brother but thanks for being honorable. I think it is pretty pointless to show how many times someone restarted anyway since as commish I can't do anything. Not saying I don't believe Nozzleman just stating the obvious in that I can't do anything about results. He asked me if he should replay the game or have it simmed and I told him to replay it.

Bad - I know Todd very well and i can assure you he would never quit to avoid a loss, considering how much time was left in your game there is no guarantee it was a lock. Trust me when I tell you I know how it feels, I was really upset last week. Just take a breath it will be better tomorrow, plus you get to beat up on me later this week.

Oh I didn't think for a minute that he quit on purpose, and 21-14 is not a lock, but the tone of the game completely changed. I was moving the ball very well and he really wasn't able to stop me. By the same token he was also moving the ball well, but the bottom line was I was winning by seven with well over half of the game gone. I am a ball control type of player so the more of the game that's behind me, the better shape I am in.

When we started over, my mindset was bad and to be honest I didn't really want to play again. So being in a bad frame of mind didn't help when he popped off two long plays that should've been 5 yard gains, but they turned into two TDs because of these supermen breaking tackles.

But here's the worst thing. This was a critical division game and a win would have put me right back in the thick of it, but now I probably won't even make the playoffs. If this had been early in the season I wouldn't have thought anything about it, but now it just sucks, especially if it keeps me from making the post season.

I've enjoyed this league so far and you have done a wonderful job taking care of it, but this just leaves a real bad taste in my mouth. There really needs to be a better way to handling it than simply starting over. What if this happens in the Super Bowl?

eman · Post by **eman** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:20 am

Badgun, I haven't been impacted by any disconnects, but if I did (espeically now durning the playoffs) I'd be pretty upset too.

What do you guys think of this idea? Should a game lockup, when the do-over is started, the team that was leading in the first game be allowed to score uncontested until they have the same lead they had before the game locked up. Also, possession should match up with the person who had the ball before the disconnect.

It's a not a perfect solution, but would offer some protection to a team with the lead in the event that something crazy happen. I know this, if I'm losing a game and the game freezes, I wouldnt feel right starting over and have the score reset 0-0.

TheTruth · Post by **TheTruth** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:23 am

eman wrote:Eagles remain in NFC East hunt, knock off first place Falcons 17-14

Donovan McNabb completed passes to 9 different receivers as the Eagles used everyone with a green jersey to eek out a win against the surging Altanta Falcons 17-14 Tuesday night. The win snaps a 4 game losing streak for the once 7-0 Eagles and puts them back in the congested NFC playoff race.

.........................Eagles.........Falcons
1st Downs .............12.............. 7
3rd Downs Att.........8................5
3rd Downs Eff..........4................2
4rd Downs Att.........3................1
4rd Downs Eff..........3................1

Total Yards............341............291
Pass Yards.............146............130
Pass Int.................1.................1
Tot Off..................242............194
Rush......................96..............64
TOP......................18:42........13:18
Score.....................17..............14

About the only bad news for the Eagles is that Dallas (9-3) nipped the Giants (7-5) on a last second FG 24-21. The win keeps the Cowboys a game up on the Eagles (8-4) and Redskins (8-4). The Giants (7-5) become desperate as they fall two games off the lead in a game they had to have against Dallas.

Atlanta falls to 7-5, but still control the NFC South and seem poised to make the playoffs. Of their remaining games only Slumberland's Jets have a winning record. The Jets are fresh off a 34-0 beat down of the CPU controlled Bills and appear to be one of the better teams in the AFC, so this should prove to be an interesting match-up.

good game eman - your conversion on 4th and goal from the four and the two big dropped passes in a row from my guys in your territory were the big game changers. And my missed 50 yard FG that hit the cross bar. GL

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:32 am

eman wrote:Badgun, I haven't been impacted by any disconnects, but if I did (espeically now durning the playoffs) I'd be pretty upset too.

What do you guys think of this idea? Should a game lockup, when the do-over is started, the team that was leading in the first game be allowed to score uncontested until they have the same lead they had before the game locked up. Also, possession should match up with the person who had the ball before the disconnect.

It's a not a perfect solution, but would offer some protection to a team with the lead in the event that something crazy happen. I know this, if I'm losing a game and the game freezes, I wouldnt feel right starting over and have the score reset 0-0.

Im in agreement.

Being a little EA and MS paranoid I live with the fear of a game freeze every game . Even the games vs the CPU. Ive been lucky so far as I have yet to have needed a restart vs either. (I hope I didnt just jinx myself).
I know I dont want either feeling..being pissed if winning or feeling like s*** if losing would pretty much suck equally.

I like the idea that after a disconnect you work to put the game at the same score and as close to the same time as you can get. Should not be that hard with human players.
I can see the difficulty vs the CPU but I think if you are really nice to it you should be able to work something out. Like in the same hood.

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:14 am

I'd be firmly against that idea. As much as it sucks to be disconnected, and it has happened to me at least once or twice in this league although I think only late in the first half, I firmly believe that if you have to start over, you start over. That goes for all the leagues in all the different games I've run or been a part of.

Trying to engineer the score or the game situation artificially is worse than the sucky feeling of having to start over fresh. It does suck to have a whole big section of a game just wiped out like it never happened, but no matter how you try, you'll never be able to recreate what had happened in a previous game. What about injuries? You can't engineer those.

I say that as sucky as it is to lose progress on a game, restarting fresh and playing a full, competitive game is the only way to go.

However, I would suggest a 'finish against the CPU' rule if the disconnect happens in the 4th quarter. I know that would be unfair to the player who is out of the game, but I think by that time in the contest, the advantage of playing against the CPU would be drastically lessened. Also, as some of us including myself have seen in this league, sometimes playing against the CPU can at least seem to be a disadvantage, with crazy fumbles and muffed punts and 'hit as he throws' INTs running rampant.

Perhaps if the game were tied in the 4th quarter, a restart would make more sense, but I'd like to hear what others think about a 'finish against CPU' if the d/c happens in the fourth quarter.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:31 am

I think disconnect rules should be considered for the next season. For now, I'd say just replay the game. It sucks, I know, but I think we should consider this carefully. Eman's set is a good start, but I don't think it would always be the best way to go. For instance, if I'm getting pounded in the 4th and the game disconnects, I'd prefer to have my opponent just finish it against the CPU rather than start over, get the lopsided score back in place, and then start the pounding again.

Rob and I once had to play a playoff game three times in the old DSP/OS ESPN 2k5 league. One of us was ahead in each of the two games that disconnected, and finally the third one stuck and Rob won. So I know the feeling. I just think we shouldn't implement something mid-season. It gives us time to cover all our bases, and that's also fair to owners who have replayed disconnected games and lost.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:35 am

I'm sorry I don't like either idea. Letting someone score uncontested? How long is that going to take. What if the cpu somehow gets a turn over while you're letting the other team score and you score?

Finishing against the CPU what if the scores 21-14 and the losing team has the ball and 6 minutes left, what if it's 2 minutes left. What if it's the winning team who disconnects. Where do you draw the line?

Without tools to award wins the best we can do is either restart or sim.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:39 am

I don't think restarting with pre-d/c scores is a viable option in the least.

I trust the guys in the league not to pull any nonsense, and in the absence of quitting, disconnects are what's known in the law as a force majeuer. They're unforseen and random, and in that sense the party leading is as responsible as the party that was losing at the time of the d/c, which is to say not at all.

Moreover, why stop at the score? If you had a major injury prior to the d/c, are you supposed to remove the injured player? What if the weather conditions end up different? When taking the full range of variables into account, you quite literally can't recreate the pre-d/c situation.

I think we all need to take a deep breath here and remember that despite the competitiveness and time we invest in the league, this is only a videogame football season...and the first of several in the franchise, hopefully. Publishing restarts doesn't seem particularly useful, as they're available for everyone to see and don't tell you anything meaningful. I spent the first 2-3 weeks of the season with a dying 360, and had a ton of crashes vs. the CPU...and I've had at least 3 restarts with human opponents when we d/c prior to kickoff. We've ultimately got to take each other at our word on this stuff, otherwise there is reason to cast doubt on virtually every player's record.

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:04 am

Rob explained my view better than I could. But I think Brando's point about a lopsided game getting d/c'ed in the 4th quarter lends some weight to my idea of a 4th quarter 'finish v. CPU' idea even though he was stating it to argue against the 'engineer the game situation' idea.

On the one hand, I do think a fresh restart is the purest way to handle any disconnect in a perfect world, but in the case of a blowout and/or a game that is near the end, the facts of time and convenience need to be taken into account. In the case of a blowout, where one opponent is clearly overmatched, I'm not sure that if I were the one getting dismantled that I'd be enthusiastic about starting all over again, nor even if I were the one on top of the score. Sure, if I were behind, I might feel like I have a fresh chance to not get blown out, but I'd say in a lot of cases it wouldn't matter much after a little while into the game, and pretty soon I'd just be getting manhandled again. Being forced to sit through nearly an entire game like that a second time would be pretty painful.

On the other hand second chances can often turn out better for the side that is losing the first time around, so I don't know.

But then we have issues of scheduling. One time when I got the d/c, in my game against the Cowboys, it was indeed late in the 2nd quarter, and I was pressed for time already to play the game at all, as I had a pretty early call time in the morning and we couldn't get started until after 10pm my time, when I had been up since 5AM that morning. If we had been deep into the 2nd half, I would have just pulled out of the league for that week and let Gamer play against the CPU, because there was just no way I could have stayed up that late and we wouldn't have been able to reschedule the game before the Wednesday deadline.

I just think that in some cases in the 4th quarter, a 'finish v. CPU' makes the most sense because of real-life time and scheduling issues, but of course it only makes sense to me in the 4th quarter.

Perhaps it could be with less than 4 minutes remaining, and with a certain score difference, like at least 14 pts or something, that would be the rule.

But in quite a few cases, I simply won't have time or the opportunity to replay nearly a full game after a d/c, and I don't imagine I'm the only one with that problem. Of course on my schedule, even with the Saints and now Mac out, I think I will only have about 4 or 5 games v. CPU all season, so I'm constantly fighting to find those times to schedule games.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:15 am

Made perfect sense to me . We are just talking about picking up where you left off not the rebuilding of a war torn Germany...oh well I am clearly out of touch as it just doesnt sound at all that far fetched to me.

So seeing that Im very obviously in the minority and I truly am just happy to be here...Ill gladly go take my meds and stfu

Seriously, Just my thoughts. Whatever you boys decide is good with me.

EDIT: P.S. ...the CPU finish in a blow out does make sense. Even to the lunatic that is me.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:16 am

I haven't had a disconnect yet, so I'm not sure what happens, but is it a boot from the EA servers or a complete disconnect from XBL? And would the connected player have time to send a voice or text message to the disconnected player (i.e. can you pause Madden long enough to exchange messages)?

If the two players can communicate after the disconnect, what about letting the home team decide to continue vs. CPU or replay? That would provide a little bit of a home-field advantage.

I would usually want to replay, but I definitely could see a reason to finish vs. the CPU if it was late in the game and I was up or down by a lot.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:39 am

I think human vs. human disconnects should be replayed but human vs. cpu disconnects should be simmed.

TCrouch · Post by **TCrouch** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:44 am

I'll go on record and say I'm against "disconnect scoring" of any means. I've only had one disconnect in this league. It was about 5:00 left in the 2nd quarter against Vader's Steelers and it was 10-0 Raiders. It was a bummer, but we replayed. 5:00 left in the 2nd quarter of game 2 and it was 10-0 Raiders.

I think it's just part of internet gaming. We should all trust each other enough to know that we won't plug pull or something, and live with the results. I was scared he'd rattle off 17 straight points or something in the rematch (Pitt at home can get on a roll), but it's just part of online gaming.

I would recommend a basic rule to allow playing against the CPU if it's greater than 21 points in the third quarter, or 14 in the 4th. If you're trailing by that much and get a disconnect, the chances of storming back in 8 min quarters is pretty slim.

If there's a disconnect in the 1st or 2nd quarter, or if it's a close game after halftime, it should be a replay.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 am

ScoopBrady wrote:I think human vs. human disconnects should be replayed but human vs. cpu disconnects should be simmed.

LMAO I would've simmed the entire first 1/3 of my season then. Fun times that would've been!

Slumberland · Post by **Slumberland** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 am

How does a human vs. CPU disconnect happen anyway? You just lose connection to the online franchise?

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