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It's comparing apples to oranges, both are great games and a lot of fun. If I had to choose just one, though, I would go with Dirt 2. I think the fun factor is better, and it is overall a more engaging game. Really it comes down to whether you like dirt and rally-style racing or racing on tarmac.grtwhtsk wrote:I'm curious guys. Which one has the better overall fun factor, and can you see having more longevity....Shift or Dirt 2? I've got both in my GF que, but I'm awful tempted to get to BB today while they still have that $39.99 deal for Shift. So, if you could only choose 1, is it Shift or Dirt 2? Thanks in advance.
Dirt 2, though I enjoy them both.grtwhtsk wrote:I'm curious guys. Which one has the better overall fun factor, and can you see having more longevity....Shift or Dirt 2? I've got both in my GF que, but I'm awful tempted to get to BB today while they still have that $39.99 deal for Shift. So, if you could only choose 1, is it Shift or Dirt 2? Thanks in advance.
Well, then making babies it is.Rodster wrote:Besides he lives in Bismark, N.D. unless your making babies I guess there's not much else to do.Teal wrote:Ditto, but Shift has been spinning more than DiRT in my machine-take it for what it's worth...Rodster wrote:Both are very good and both are different enough to warrant a purchase.
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The demos actually turned me off to both, especially Shift.ScoopBrady wrote:I like them both and think it's really a preference thing. They're both good games but entirely different. The Shift demo is up now and there's a Dirt 2 demo so maybe you should try checking them both out and seeing which one you like.
I waited for a while before buying Dirt 2 because the demo didn't do much for me, but I found that despite the presentation still being grating, I enjoy the full game more than I did the demo by a large margin.F308GTB wrote:The demos actually turned me off to both, especially Shift.ScoopBrady wrote:I like them both and think it's really a preference thing. They're both good games but entirely different. The Shift demo is up now and there's a Dirt 2 demo so maybe you should try checking them both out and seeing which one you like.
Ian, Are you including Live For Speed, NetKar and iRacing when you say that shift has the most realistic handling out there? Or are you conveniently leaving those games out of your comparison?
Everyone has their own impression of what is realistic handling. It’s always been a very subjective thing. I feel we simulate the experience of being behind the wheel of a race car better than any of the competition, but this might not be what you mean by ‘realistic handling’ . We’ve built upon a realistic physics core and added more realistic modules where we thought they were needed. We worked very hard with physics, sound and graphics to ’simulate’ the experience.
Many of the team race often and feel we’ve gotten closer than anyone else. I maintain that GTR2 was too difficult. I’ve yet to have a car break away on track as suddenly as we had it in GTR2. The reality is that a road and race tuned car is fairly easy to drive to the edge and slightly beyond. They tend to scrub off speed if understeering or oversteering and with the right inputs for oversteer, are generally easily righted. We don’t have fudged ‘aids’ in pro mode. What is in the game is a direct result of what we feel are authentic physics.
We do have some input filters applied when using a pad (of course) but the underlying physics are the same.
You don't necessarily need to have raced a car to know that the strange oversteering thing Shift's cars do whenever you nudge the stick isn't something that happens in a real car unless it's a bit broken, though. At least, I don't think you do, which doesn't necessarily mean all that much. Then there's this brilliant piece of flannel:Rodster wrote:That fact that they race cars for real adds credibility to what they are saying. Still as Ian Bell mentioned it's a subjective thing when it comes to driving physics.
It might not be, because that's not what 'realistic handling' means, Ian. The experience - the sensation of being strapped into a ton and a bit of metal travelling at astonishingly high speed - is a thrilling one, but it falls to bits for me the instant I arrive at a corner. That's nothing to do with the experience of being behind the wheel, everything to do with what's happening when I turn that wheel, and the two things are distinct from each other.Everyone has their own impression of what is realistic handling. It’s always been a very subjective thing. I feel we simulate the experience of being behind the wheel of a race car better than any of the competition, but this might not be what you mean by ‘realistic handling’ .
I must admit, I'm the one who called out Ian Bell in the original thread that started the thread you linked, Don. I said he was "full of sh*t."DChaps wrote:Interesting responses from Slightly Mad Studios Ian Bell over at www.virtualr.net
http://www.virtualr.net/need-for-speed- ... #more-5739
I found this one particularly interesting:Ian, Are you including Live For Speed, NetKar and iRacing when you say that shift has the most realistic handling out there? Or are you conveniently leaving those games out of your comparison?
Everyone has their own impression of what is realistic handling. It’s always been a very subjective thing. I feel we simulate the experience of being behind the wheel of a race car better than any of the competition, but this might not be what you mean by ‘realistic handling’ . We’ve built upon a realistic physics core and added more realistic modules where we thought they were needed. We worked very hard with physics, sound and graphics to ’simulate’ the experience.
Many of the team race often and feel we’ve gotten closer than anyone else. I maintain that GTR2 was too difficult. I’ve yet to have a car break away on track as suddenly as we had it in GTR2. The reality is that a road and race tuned car is fairly easy to drive to the edge and slightly beyond. They tend to scrub off speed if understeering or oversteering and with the right inputs for oversteer, are generally easily righted. We don’t have fudged ‘aids’ in pro mode. What is in the game is a direct result of what we feel are authentic physics.
We do have some input filters applied when using a pad (of course) but the underlying physics are the same.
I will say that when this game is on for me, it's on. I absolutely love the cockpit view and the intensity of the sense of speed. Good stuff. I still haven't even tried it online.I think the game is still outstanding. The final tier and championship is where most people get frustrated. The AI gets pretty tough at those levels, especially the final one. For me, that is a great thing. Using the settings I posted earlier in the thread there should be no complaints about poor handling. While I have no doubt Forza 3 will be simply awesome, I highly doubt it will give the raw excitement of the actual racing in Shift.JackB1 wrote:finally got to try the demo and I have to say, this game looks UNBELIEVABLE! Almost photo-realistic. Are there any track racing games that look better on consoles? I doubt it.
I haven't messed with any settings, but the races in the demo were pretty fun and competitive for me on middle settings. At what point in the game are all you guys getting frustrated with the game? Does anyone still like it?
Of course I am a rally fan and my frustration with Shift was well documented earlier in the thread.