Madden 10 - Will they prove us wrong?

Gangrel · Post by **Gangrel** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:06 pm

Call me dumb, but what is this Wildcat I keep hearing about?

I guess I obviously don't follow football enough....

Murph · Post by **Murph** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:42 pm

Gangrel wrote:Call me dumb, but what is this Wildcat I keep hearing about?

I guess I obviously don't follow football enough....

Quick definition: A direct snap to the RB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_offense

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:35 pm

Gangrel wrote:Call me dumb, but what is this Wildcat I keep hearing about?

I guess I obviously don't follow football enough....

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:39 pm

haha BD Classic!

"It's the sport of kings, better then diamond rings..football"

I still like the Replacements better

"Jimmy stop that girl from shaking her ass!"

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:48 pm

This is going to be out of context, but I saw this on OS. Ian posted something on his Twitter about Jacobs running for 307 yards and needing to tune the run game. Someone asked how they were doing this and this is his reply.

I'm posting this because I see some interesting stuff in here. I should say for #1 the game was played at Pro Level and apparently the game speed is different on each level.

It's definitely still in progress, but I can say a few things about why the running game got much more effective as well...

1. [Minor] The game speed makes running inherently a bit easier. You have more vision to hit your holes.

2. [Minor] The changes to turn rates apply to both defense and offense, but user controlled defenders (i.e. Mike) aren't necessarily used to them so they have the tendency to overpursue plays since they're used to being able to always hold sprint and still make a play.

3. [Major] We DRASTICALLY reduced the tolerance (i.e. yards away) for a defender to tackle a ballcarrier. Last year it was upwards of 3 yards, which gives that feeling of 'suction'. This year it's closer to one yard, but it also scales based on the tackle rating of the player...meaning that it will just feel harder to get by the Urlacher's and R. Lewis's.

4. [Major] we also changed pretty much how all of our blocking works, and added all kinds of new animations and technologies (some announced, some not).

So all of these things immediately tip the scale to the offense so we have to tune accordingly.

To re-balance the first few (especially the lower tackle tolerance yardage) we really just need to keep tuning pursuit. If a player could "tackle" you from 3 yards away last year, that hides a lot of pursuit issues that come out when he can't tackle you unless he's within arm's reach. This is still ongoing, and I think you saw it in rough shape at community day. LB's would crash right into the middle and then get hung up and not be able to get back outside. Which leads to the second one...

We have to re-work how our players 'disengage'. We're working on giving them the full ability to tackle while still engaged, which helps a lot, but is also a tough balance because you have to do some pretty complex checks to see if he's "free enough" to tackle a guy, or else the suction problem comes back. The other main thing is just with animation and logic - guys need to be able to shed free of a guy in the opposite direction, and do it FAST. This will not only help outside runs but QB scrambling shenanigans.

Both are high on the list...being tuned as we speak.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:05 am

Here is the trailer.

PS3/360
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/48376.html

Not much to say on this one. Pretty much what I expected from a first trailer. Gang Tackling looked a bit off. Animations are still a bit stiff. Would rather have gameplay footage like we see when we play but that will come soon enough.

Feel free to head to OS where all hell has broken loose. No loss for words over there.

Wii Trailer
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/48377.html

Wii version provides for humor. Sorry Wii owners but it looks like poop on a stick. I might buy a Wii for Tiger and Tennis (Mario and Zelda too) but this would never see the light of day in my console.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:46 am

That trailer was an odd mix of things wasn't it? You see great OL / DL play in parts of it and then you get to later where Ben is at the goal line and it looks like s***.

The WR / DB play looked good, but I saw what looked like a lot of blown coverages. Hrad to tell from those angles.

One things is for sure you can't say any longer that 2K has the best tackling around, that is by far the best tackling I've ever seen.

I don't know some of it was good and some of it was really bad, I hope this is marketing cobbling together a video from a ton of builds otherwise i am at a loss how you can have 2 completely different OL / DL looks in the same game / trailer.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:55 am

Danimal wrote: One things is for sure you can't say any longer that 2K has the best tackling around, that is by far the best tackling I've ever seen.

I am not going to go that far, having played APF2K8 before my 360 went kaput but it is safe to say it is much much better than previous Madden's.

In game footage will allow us to make better judgments on these things. I have never cared for all these companies showing replay footage.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:03 am

I don't know I've played a lot of APF, I mean A LOT and what I saw in that trailer is beyond anything I've ever seen in that game. I guess reserving judgment until I've actually played it is a fair point but it was about the only exciting thing in the trailer.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:05 am

All my fellow Steelers may now commence cursing. ^*$&$^^$#^%$$

plus some screens

http://kotaku.com/5225952/madden-10-cov ... s-revealed

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:10 pm

http://www.gamespot.com/sports/blogs/sp ... tings.html

Some Top 10 player ratings

During the show, Eisen and company revealed the top ten players at several positions in the upcoming Madden 10, as well as their overall ratings. Here's how things will break down this season:

Quarterback
(Name, Team)
1 Peyton Manning -- Indianapolis
2 Tom Brady -- New England
3 Drew Brees -- New Orleans
4 Kurt Warner -- Arizona
5 Ben Roethlisberger -- Pittsburgh
6 Donovan McNabb -- Philadelphia
7 Tony Romo -- Dallas
8 Philip Rivers -- San Diego
9 Jay Cutler -- Chicago
10 Eli Manning - New York
(Sorry, wasn't quick enough on the draw to grab the QBs' overall ratings)

Wide Receiver
(Name, Team, Overall Rating)
1 Larry Fitzgerald -- Arizona -- 99
2 Andre Johnson -- Houston -- 98
3 Steve Smith -- Carolina -- 97
4 Randy Moss -- New England -- 96
5 Reggie Wayne -- Indianapolis -- 95
6 Anquan Boldin -- Arizona -- 94
Roddy White -- Atlanta -- 94
8 Wes Welker -- New England -- 93
9 Brandon Marshall -- Denver -- 92
Calvin Johnson -- Detroit -- 92

Tight End
(Name, Team, Overall Rating)
1 Tony Gonzalez -- Atlanta -- 98
2 Jason Witten -- Dallas -- 97
3 Antonio Gates -- San Diego -- 95
4 Chris Cooley -- Washington -- 91
Dallas Clark -- Indianapolis -- 91
6 Kellen Winslow -- Tampa Bay -- 90
Heath Miller -- Pittsburgh -- 90
8 Owen Daniels -- Houston -- 89
9 John Carlson -- Seattle -- 87
10 Jeremy Shockey -- New Orleans -- 86

Running Back
(Name, Team, Overall Rating)
1 Adrian Peterson -- Minnesota -- 98
2 Brian Westbrook -- Philadelphia -- 97
3 Michael Turner -- Atlanta -- 95
DeAngelo Williams -- Carolina -- 95
5 Clinton Portis -- Washington -- 94
LaDanian Tomlinson -- San Diego -- 94
7 Steven Jackson -- St. Louis -- 93
Frank Gore -- San Francisco -- 93
9 Maurice Jones-Drew -- Jacksonville -- 92
10 Marion Barber -- Dallas -- 91

Defenders
(Name, Team, Position, Overall Rating)
1 Albert Haynesworth -- Washington -- DT -- 99
Ed Reed -- Baltimore -- FS -- 99
Troy Polamalu -- Pittsburgh -- SS -- 99
Nnamdi Asomugha -- Oakland -- CB -- 99
Jared Allen -- Minnesota -- DE -- 99
6 James Harrison -- Pittsburgh -- OLB - 98
Justin Tuck -- New York Giants -- DE -- 98
DeMarcus Ware -- Dallas -- OLB -- 98
Adrian Wilson -- Arizona -- SS -- 98
Patrick Willis -- San Francisco -- MLB -- 98

Next up were the movers and shakers, the players who have had seen the biggest year-on-year swing (either positively or negatively) in their overall Madden rating. First up, the bad news:

Shakers
DeAngelo Hall -- Washington CB
Madden NFL 09 Overall Rating: 93
Madden NFL 10 Overall Rating: 68
Difference: -25

Matt Leinart -- Arizona QB
Madden NFL 09 Overall Rating: 85
Madden NFL 10 Overall Rating: 62
Difference: -23

Devin Thomas--Washington WR
Madden NFL 09 Overall Rating: 81
Madden NFL 10 Overall Rating: 63
Difference: -18

Torrey Holt -- Jacksonville WR
Madden NFL 09 Overall Rating: 96
Madden NFL 10 Overall Rating: 84
Difference: -12

Fred Smoot -- Washington CB
Madden NFL 09 Overall Rating: 87
Madden NFL 10 Overall Rating: 76
Difference: -11

Finally, take a look at the players who improved most from the previous Madden game. You'll notice more than one rookie on this list:

Movers
Chris Johnson -- Oakland CB
Madden NFL 09 Overall Rating: 67
Madden NFL 10 Overall Rating: 82
Difference: +14

Steve Slaton -- Houston RB
Madden NFL 09 Overall Rating: 74
Madden NFL 10 Overall Rating: 97
Difference: +13

DeAngelo Williams--Carolina RB
Madden NFL 09 Overall Rating: 84
Madden NFL 10 Overall Rating: 95
Difference: +11

Matt Forte -- Chicago RB
Madden NFL 09 Overall Rating: 80
Madden NFL 10 Overall Rating: 89
Difference: +9

Matt Cassel -- Kansas City QB
Madden NFL 09 Overall Rating: 76
Madden NFL 10 Overall Rating: 83
Difference: +7

Badgun · Post by **Badgun** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:55 pm

Danimal wrote:That trailer was an odd mix of things wasn't it? You see great OL / DL play in parts of it and then you get to later where Ben is at the goal line and it looks like s***.

The WR / DB play looked good, but I saw what looked like a lot of blown coverages. Hrad to tell from those angles.

One things is for sure you can't say any longer that 2K has the best tackling around, that is by far the best tackling I've ever seen.

I don't know some of it was good and some of it was really bad, I hope this is marketing cobbling together a video from a ton of builds otherwise i am at a loss how you can have 2 completely different OL / DL looks in the same game / trailer.

I thought the trailer looked pretty weak compared to the screen shots I've been seeing. Animations don't look smooth at all and quite honestly it doesn't look as good as last year's game.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:35 pm

http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com ... madden-10/

Some gameplay footage, at an angle of Jimmy Fallon playing Madden 10.

dougb · Post by **dougb** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:26 pm

bdoughty wrote:http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com ... madden-10/

Some gameplay footage, at an angle of Jimmy Fallon playing Madden 10.

The patented Madden drop back 25-30 yards and throw a long bomb for the completion

Best wishes,

Doug

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:36 pm

Obviously you didn't watch the video.

EDIT: never mind i thought it was the other video of him on the cart, my mistake

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:09 pm

Key features list

http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/Games ... escription

Description

Experience first-hand what it’s like to Fight for Every Yard in Madden NFL 10. With the all-new Pro-Tak™ animation technology, players have more control over the outcome of each play. Whether driving a receiver towards the first down, or battling for a fumble at the bottom of a pile, the play won’t end until the whistle blows. Add to that the most immersive broadcast presentation and online innovation to date, and Madden NFL 10 captures the authenticity and emotion of the NFL like never before.

Key Features

* Pro –Tak™ – This all new animation technology provides unprecedented control over the outcome of every play. Drag defenders towards the first down marker, including up to 9-man gang tackles, fight for a fumble at the bottom of the pile, and evade the rush with all-new quarterback avoidance actions. Enhanced play at the line of scrimmage features a new blocking system that allows the quarterback to step into the pocket and gives the defensive line more control over the rush.

* Unprecedented Authenticity – Referees peeling players off a fumble pile, the chain gang rushing in to measure for a key first down, and all-new player equipment ensure that if you see it on Sunday, you’ll see it in Madden NFL 10.
* Fight for Online Dominance – Delivering the most comprehensive online offerings in franchise history, Madden NFL 10 includes new modes to satisfy the competitive and cooperative football gamer.
* The Emotion of the NFL – New TV broadcast-style presentation and cinematic cameras bring the suspense and intensity of the NFL to your living room.
* Enhanced Franchise Mode – Run each aspect of an NFL franchise: draft players, sign free agents, manage the salary cap - just like a real GM. Enjoy all of the action throughout the league via a new, network inspired highlight show.
* Madden NFL Your Way – The most customizable version of Madden NFL to date! Alter gameplay options to adjust the experience to your liking. A revamped play calling system and menu takes you to kickoff faster than ever before. Speed up online matches with accelerated clocks, streamlined presentation and more.

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Co-op? Interesting

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:51 pm

bdoughty wrote: Experience first-hand what it’s like to Fight for Every Yard in Madden NFL 10. With the all-new Pro-Tak™ animation technology, players have more control over the outcome of each play. Whether driving a receiver towards the first down, or battling for a fumble at the bottom of a pile, the play won’t end until the whistle blows. Add to that the most immersive broadcast presentation and online innovation to date, and Madden NFL 10 captures the authenticity and emotion of the NFL like never before.

I stopped reading when I got to that part. Seriously last years commentary was a snooze fest which went along with the game. And in one year they turned it around?

Sounds like hyperbowl.

The Pro-Tak tech hopefully won't be along the line of Tiger Woods in-flight ball control. Nothing like steering a golf ball mid air to land in the perfect spot.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:06 pm

Apparently you didn't stop reading when you said you did Rod. Liar.

dougb · Post by **dougb** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:53 pm

All kidding aside I wish them the best on developing this game because I think that the team generally have their hearts in the right place. As a consumer I'd love to have a really good NFL game to play - one where the design philosophy is to provide a closer simulation of the real game.

Best wishes,

Doug

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:54 pm

http://insideblog.easports.com/archive/ ... fl-10.aspx

A bunch of Wildcat formation videos, etc.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:35 pm

At least they are trying to implement it. I doubt it will work very well in Madden though. Too gimmicky for the AI to actually react with "surprise" or whatever...it just goes against everything that is Artificial Intelligence.

Badgun · Post by **Badgun** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:10 am

dbdynsty25 wrote:At least they are trying to implement it. I doubt it will work very well in Madden though. Too gimmicky for the AI to actually react with "surprise" or whatever...it just goes against everything that is Artificial Intelligence.

I can see people subbing in Pat White as Miami's running back and running the wildcat...hell I can see just about anyone with a mobile backup using Miami's playbook and running the wildcat to cheese with. As much as people bitched about the direct snap to the halfback in NCAA, now they are going to give every cheeser that plays Madden the license to exploit.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:25 am

Jimmy Fallon appears to know as much about Madden as he does about comedy.

Also, another screen or video of the movie "Wildcats" will be a violation of the Geneva Convention.

You can never place too much judgment, good or bad, on a trailer. However, I liked the tackling and breaking of tackles, and also the DB/WR interaction like Danimal said. The blocking also looked like blocking, not computer models running into each other.

Along the lines of what DB said, hopefully if they've added the Wildcat, they've taken steps to address the defensive AI playing against the Wildcat. I am glad to see the formation make it into the game because it is going to be a part of the offense for many teams this year.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:24 pm

My understanding is steps have been taken they are just not out in the public yet. How effective they are I am not sure of. Unfortunately we're probably a good month away at least before some stuff starts coming out that might really excite people.

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:28 pm

"DeAngelo Williams -- Carolina -- 95 "

If only it was out on the PC