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Badgun wrote: What's going to be really funny is watching the Broncos start out 1-5 and seeing the fans absolutely turn on Josh McDaniels. This guy might be the biggest d*****bag ever to coach a football team.
What's even funnier is watching NFL owners go after NFL Coordinators like they've won seven super bowls. McDaniels has not even coached one game and already he gets rid of an ace QB. For some reason HC's want to bring in their guys to build their team around.

OK I get that, but not when your QB is under 26, has a rifle arm, is accurate and just went to the Pro Bowl. When I see coaches do that it makes me wonder how smart the owner and GM really are for letting an inexperienced HC make a move like that. :roll:
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PRBoom wrote:My prediction is that in when the dust settles the Broncos will be just fine.
My prediction is when the dust settles, the Broncos will be buried beneath a huge amount of dust from the ceiling they pulled on themselves.

Boom, this is not directed at you at all, just my opinion on Bronco fans trying to say this isn't a big loss for the organization.

Given the Cutler situation, they did very well with the trade. Certainly got a lot of value. However, before the McDaniel business began, would any Bronco fan have even conceived of their franchise QB being traded? No. This is a monumental case of poor player management by a coach and front office. They lucked out that the Bears wanted to nab Cutler enough that they clicked the Buy It Now button.

If the shoe was on the other foot, I would be extremely pissed as a Bears fan. "My team had to trade their Pro Bowl QB because the new coach has a Matt Cassel man crush?" Do you have any idea how many pairs of blue and orange Zubaz pants would be soiled with rage?

Even if they manage to draft a QB of Cutler's ability with one of those number 1s -- highly unlikely this year given their draft position and the depth at QB -- they are looking at 2-3 years before they get that production back. Whereas they could have easily put together a team that would have been a perennial AFC West champ with some defensive additions and a little stability at RB.

I guarantee that, Cutler's behavior or no, the Broncos phone was ringing off the hook. You simply do not get the opportunity to trade for young QBs who make the Pro Bowl by their third year and, at worst, look like they will have Drew Brees's career. Could he flop in Chicago? Of course. But I like my team's chances a lot better now even with the loss of those picks.
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One aspect that's not getting much play is that Jerry Angelo openly disdains high draft picks. He would trade out of the first round every time if given the opportunity, so this deal is almost perfect for someone like him. It may not be the best philosophy, but at least it's a move consistent with his worldview.
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RobVarak wrote:One aspect that's not getting much play is that Jerry Angelo openly disdains high draft picks. He would trade out of the first round every time if given the opportunity, so this deal is almost perfect for someone like him. It may not be the best philosophy, but at least it's a move consistent with his worldview.
It also means that, for at least two years, the Bears cannot take another running back in the first round when they have a strong starter in place. Yes!
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Josh McDaniels telephone interview with Scott Hastings and Alfred Williams on 104.3 The Fan

Here's an interview with the coach that went on earlier today in Denver. A little background on this as I listen to this radio show daily and they've been trying to get him on since day 1 of this ordeal. Alfred Williams has been backing Cutler adamantly. Scott while hard on Cutler, going as far as to call him a "little b*tch" on national radio", is on the record of wanting him to stay in Denver... but that he really needed to mature.

It's an interesting interview that sheds some light on that high powered offense as the coach spits out some numbers that may surprise a few folks.

My disdain for Cutler goes back before this whole thing went down. You can search but you'd be hard pressed to find a post made by me that was positive about Cutler. I don't like him, plain and simple.
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Book on Cutler coming out of college was that he was a tough, gritty guy who still improved despite adversity in a second-tier program.

This alienation with McDaniels is the first time he's been vocal about anything, hasn't it? I don't recall him complaining much when Shanahan was let go.

When he was putting up big numbers at the start of the last season, the ESPN guys were raving about how with his arm strength, he could fit in throws into tight windows which most other QBs couldn't even attempt.

Some 49er fans were saying his QBR wasn't that much better than Hill's so what's the big deal. Well Cutler has the arm to do more than dump off to backs all the time.
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PRBoom wrote: My disdain for Cutler goes back before this whole thing went down. You can search but you'd be hard pressed to find a post made by me that was positive about Cutler. I don't like him, plain and simple.
That's nice to hear from a Broncos fan, because I've never liked the guy either. He's got talent and skill, no doubt, but to me he's reeked of 'Jeff George-itis' from the start. The whole Rivers vs Cutler stupidity just sealed it for me.

As a 'Skins fan, I feel like we dodged a nasty bullet, shot point-blank from The Danny himself. Watching Campbell handle this situation the way he has just gives me more confidence in him as a leader, not to mention what Zorn has done with him the last couple of days. Despite the management, there is class in this organization, maybe in part because so many of Gibbs's coaches are still around. We'll see about Jason, but I'm pretty sure he will have that fire in his belly only stoked ever higher by this absurd mistreatment from The Danny and his boy Vinny. I'm sure the boys in the locker room will fight even harder for the kid after this soap opera.
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wco81 wrote:Book on Cutler coming out of college was that he was a tough, gritty guy who still improved despite adversity in a second-tier program.

This alienation with McDaniels is the first time he's been vocal about anything, hasn't it? I don't recall him complaining much when Shanahan was let go.

When he was putting up big numbers at the start of the last season, the ESPN guys were raving about how with his arm strength, he could fit in throws into tight windows which most other QBs couldn't even attempt.

Some 49er fans were saying his QBR wasn't that much better than Hill's so what's the big deal. Well Cutler has the arm to do more than dump off to backs all the time.
Broncos' fan have no reason to dislike the guy other than he was a bit too laid back in press conferences. I guess he didn't exude leadership in front of the press.

Other than that, what has Cutler done to piss off some many people. Replace Jake Plummer?

Sad part is the disdain for Cutler is going to lead the Broncos down the wrong path.

If this trade is a bust and McDaniels can't win...look at what we lost! I don't care if Jay Cutler was a whiney, bitchy and had monthly visitors. He produced on the field and that's all that matters.
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wco81 wrote:Book on Cutler coming out of college was that he was a tough, gritty guy who still improved despite adversity in a second-tier program.

This alienation with McDaniels is the first time he's been vocal about anything, hasn't it? I don't recall him complaining much when Shanahan was let go.

When he was putting up big numbers at the start of the last season, the ESPN guys were raving about how with his arm strength, he could fit in throws into tight windows which most other QBs couldn't even attempt.

Some 49er fans were saying his QBR wasn't that much better than Hill's so what's the big deal. Well Cutler has the arm to do more than dump off to backs all the time.
I think he was more pissed when the Broncos told him the QB coach would stay and they fired him. I thought they fired him but maybe he just left.
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JRod wrote:Broncos' fan have no reason to dislike the guy other than he was a bit too laid back in press conferences. I guess he didn't exude leadership in front of the press.

Other than that, what has Cutler done to piss off some many people. Replace Jake Plummer?
I would say NOT winning more games than you lose would piss off some people. And how exactly does that mean he has "produced on the field" as you say?
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The Cutler fans will put full blame on the defense. After all it was the defense that was responsible for losing those 8 games last season to include the two games against the Raiders and Chiefs.

However, if you listened to the press conference I linked you would have learned that this high powered offense that some love to death
- turned the ball over 30 times (2nd most in the NFL)
- had 17 2:00 minute drives that produced a total of 3 points
- was one of the first offenses in NFL history to be in the top 5 for total yards but not even in the top half of the league for points scored
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JRod wrote:
wco81 wrote:Book on Cutler coming out of college was that he was a tough, gritty guy who still improved despite adversity in a second-tier program.

This alienation with McDaniels is the first time he's been vocal about anything, hasn't it? I don't recall him complaining much when Shanahan was let go.

When he was putting up big numbers at the start of the last season, the ESPN guys were raving about how with his arm strength, he could fit in throws into tight windows which most other QBs couldn't even attempt.

Some 49er fans were saying his QBR wasn't that much better than Hill's so what's the big deal. Well Cutler has the arm to do more than dump off to backs all the time.

I think he was more pissed when the Broncos told him the QB coach would stay and they fired him. I thought they fired him but maybe he just left.

Jeremy Bates wasn't fired. He left after learning that McDaniels would be doing the play calling.
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Brando70 wrote:
RobVarak wrote:One aspect that's not getting much play is that Jerry Angelo openly disdains high draft picks. He would trade out of the first round every time if given the opportunity, so this deal is almost perfect for someone like him. It may not be the best philosophy, but at least it's a move consistent with his worldview.
It also means that, for at least two years, the Bears cannot take another running back in the first round when they have a strong starter in place. Yes!
Strange but pretty accurate ...

The guy took a shot with Cutler. Something most people in Chicago thought the Bears would never do. I have no idea if it will work but for whatever its worth ...Id rather go down trying.
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Broncos' fan have no reason to dislike the guy other than he was a bit too laid back in press conferences. I guess he didn't exude leadership in front of the press
I have all the reason I need to not like Cutler. I don't like his demeanor on the field. I don't like how he shows up his receivers and yells at them on national tv when they drop a pass, even though I guess it's O.K. for him to throw 18 picks.

I don't like how he rolls his eyes and acts like he can do no wrong on the sidelines when the defense doesn't make a stop.

I don't like how he throws members of the team under the buss when things aren't going well.

I don't like how he instructed Bus Cook to formally request a trade and then upon finding out he's on the trade block he goes on the record as saying he didn't want this. He didn't want to be traded and that he NEVER thought it would go this far....even though again... he asked to be traded AND had already put two of his houses up on the market here in Colorado.

In the words of Scott Hastings... I just don't like how he's a "whiny little b*tch!"

God, the list goes on as to why I don't like him

Yes, he has a great skills. No question about it, but he's not perfect. Not even close, IMO!

Oh yeah... I almost forgot. I also hate how he has to be bailed about by referee Ed Hochuli to bail him out when he fumbles the ball in what should have lost them the game. Sure he came back and made two great passes to rookie WR Eddie Royal to go on and win the game with the 2pt conversion . but hell anyone can gamble big and win when they're playing with the house's money. :P
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PRBoom wrote: Jeremy Bates wasn't fired. He left after learning that McDaniels would be doing the play calling.
That is a recipe for disaster. It just goes to show how clueless some owners still are and how 1st year coaches haven't learned from others past mistakes. I'm going to pull a DB here. Broncos will be either 6-10 and at best 7-9.
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Way to go out on a limb here. They were projected by many "experts" and "analysts" to go 8-8 at best next year... based on their schedule. This was with Jay Cutler under center.

I'm just gonna leave this one alone from here on out because it's like arguing politics, madden vs. 2k, coke vs. pepsi.

I'll just bookmark this particular thread and refer back to it down the road. :)
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Rodster wrote:I'm going to pull a DB here. Broncos will be either 6-10 and at best 7-9.
Don't hate just because I predicted the biggest turnaround in the NFL last year and almost in the history of the NFL. :lol:
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dbdynsty25 wrote:
Rodster wrote:I'm going to pull a DB here. Broncos will be either 6-10 and at best 7-9.
Don't hate just because I predicted the biggest turnaround in the NFL last year and almost in the history of the NFL. :lol:
At least I had fun with you being right last year. :lol:
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XXXIV wrote: Rams might be aquiring new Gatorade jugs.
Call me Nostradamus. Kyle Boller is now a Ram.

f*** it...Nothing to lose. Go Kyle!

NCAA Half time edit: Rams aquire WR Laurent Robinson from the Falcons. Oh Yeah... Here come the Rams.
Boller to Robinson = Super Bowl baby!
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NFL's 2009 schedules are up at http://www.nfl.com/

Looking at the schedule...Rams will improve...Cant help but win more than 2 ...I hope. :)

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Wow it looks like the Dolphins will be 5-11 this year and that's only if 5 of those teams don't show up. Time to cancel my season tickets. :lol:
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Rodster wrote:Wow it looks like the Dolphins will be 5-11 this year and that's only if 5 of those teams don't show up. Time to cancel my season tickets. :lol:
Nah...they'll go 8-8 this year and miss the playoffs. That schedule is the most difficult in the league. Awesome.
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Michael Vick seeks reality-show deal

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The incarcerated NFL star has talked to producers about launching an unscripted program. The proposed documentary series would follow Vick beginning July 20, the day of his scheduled release from federal custody, and show him trying to "make amends for his past."
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Oh Bears your not in for a good year.
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Bumping this up for the draft.

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