Well, in my opinion, the teams that performed best in the regular season should have an advantage. As for the whether, for example, Utah is less deserving...I think that Utah's record actually holds up pretty well to most of the big one loss teams. Utah has wins over two top 15 teams, beat Oregon St. and Michigan (who had a down year), and were undefeated. More abstractly, I think it's really difficult to judge whether a good team in conference A is better than a good team in conference B, since there are so few meaningful out of conference games. You end up trying to extrapolate things based on like whether a win over Clemson means more than a win over Oregon State. To me, it's a lot clearer to have a simple measure that (most of the time) is decided on the field: conference champion.wco81 wrote:So the BCS would determine which teams get the byes, which give them an advantage.
And you would get complaints that the runners up of the big conferences are more deserving than the Boise States and Utahs. In fact, wouldn't UF and OU be getting byes in this scenario because Alabama and UT were so good this year, but they're locked out of the final dance?
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MizzouRah wrote:
Same arrogant fans too... I don't mind an ass beating, but bring in your 2nd team offense and defense. They were not just running out the clock.. or maybe you were watching a different game than I was?
Bradford blows a knee out at the end of that game and then what do have to say?
A repeat of the 2004 Championship would be nice.
Did you see the pass rush Bradford was having to deal with? Exactly, the only way Bradford blows out a knee is tripping over the goal line to celebrate after another TD.
You can say arrogant, hey winning 6 out 9 titles can get you there. Then there is showing a little class, you know like not wishing injuries on opponents players. Bradford is one of the classier guys out there.
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MizzouRah wrote:Should at least be the top 2 teams in the Big 12 playing.
Would have been nice to see Oklahoma vs Texas in the Big 12 Championship this year!
What about Texas Tech? Last I checked they only lost one game and they beat Texas. Funny thing about Texas is that head to head matchups only matter when it suits them best. Go back to 2006 when Texas and A&M were both 9-3 and A&M just came off a win over the Longhorns. Mack ranked his Longhorns #15 in the nation and A&M #22 after they lost. So quick they forget.
It goes something like I posted elsewhere in regards to the Big 12 on another site.
Mack Brown - We beat Oklahoma on a neutral field. We should go to the Big 12 championship.
Mike Leach - Uh, hey guy we beat you. Using your logic we should go.
Mack Brown - That was at your house, we won our game in Dallas, big difference. Also our SOS and OOC is better than yours.
Bob Stoops - We have OOC wins against two teams in the top 20. If you are going to critique schedules, we can critique yours. Your big road win was at Kansas.
Mack Brown - 45-35, our alumni flew a plane over Oklahoma, reminding them of the score.
Mike Leach - 39-33, check it out our alumni made a website.
http://www.39-33.com/
Bob Stoops - We are Okies, the best we could do was a 62-21 cardboard sign that we displayed while they were interviewing me post game. It was a nice sign though.
Gary Pinkel - Hey guys, we just got beat by Kansas on a neutral site and will be attending the Big 12 Championship game.
Bob, Mack, Mike - Sigh, $#%##% Big 12 North.
Stranger things have happened...bdoughty wrote:MizzouRah wrote:
Same arrogant fans too... I don't mind an ass beating, but bring in your 2nd team offense and defense. They were not just running out the clock.. or maybe you were watching a different game than I was?
Bradford blows a knee out at the end of that game and then what do have to say?
A repeat of the 2004 Championship would be nice.
Did you see the pass rush Bradford was having to deal with? Exactly, the only way Bradford blows out a knee is tripping over the goal line to celebrate after another TD.
You can say arrogant, hey winning 6 out 9 titles can get you there. Then there is showing a little class, you know like not wishing injuries on opponents players. Bradford is one of the classier guys out there.
Oh I forgot about that miracle game vs Texas and that ass beating Oklahoma gave them.bdoughty wrote: What about Texas Tech? Last I checked they only lost one game and they beat Texas. Funny thing about Texas is that head to head matchups only matter when it suits them best. Go back to 2006 when Texas and A&M were both 9-3 and A&M just came off a win over the Longhorns. Mack ranked his Longhorns #15 in the nation and A&M #22 after they lost. So quick they forget.
You can say what you want as they all have 1 loss, but any Big 12 fan would tell you it goes OU, Texas, then Texas Tech is a few steps behind those two... I don't really care that they barely beat Texas.
any Big 12 fan?MizzouRah wrote: but any Big 12 fan would tell you it goes OU, Texas, then Texas Tech is a few steps behind those two...
http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb? ... caa&id=251
http://texas.rivals.com/forum.asp
http://www.hornhub.com/
Willing to bet you find a few people at those links that might have it Texas, Texas Tech and then OU. I would list all the Texas Tech forums where they might see it Texas Tech, OU and Texas but I did not want to be redundant.
Also kinda odd to call it a miracle game (Tech/Texas) as Tech did dominate the first half and many people, outside Austin, were predicting a Tech win.
There's a difference in a BIG 12 fan and BIAS. Of course Texas forums are going to have Texas ahead of OU. The real point I was trying to make is that MOST NON-BIAS BIG 12 fans would have either OU - Texas or Texas - OU and then TT would follow after those two.bdoughty wrote:Willing to bet you find a few people at those links that might have it Texas, Texas Tech and then OU. I would list all the Texas Tech forums where they might see it Texas Tech, OU and Texas but I did not want to be redundant.
Also kinda odd to call it a miracle game (Tech/Texas) as Tech did dominate the first half and many people, outside Austin, were predicting a Tech win.
All I'm saying is there was a missed INT late in that game and then right after that Crabtree makes a very difficult catch for the TD. Yes they won and I think that if the OU - TT was closer, TT would have a case to be with OU and Texas.
So what does everyone think about the upcoming BCS Final?
GO GATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES! I will be there. I got some tix on Ebay last night for a pretty penny, but for this I will splurge. We got 2 lower level tix for $500 ea.
I am hoping FL gets Percy Harvin back for this game. One more weapon on offense is always helpful. I can't see Oklahoma keeping FL's offense in check. Only question will be can FL's pass defense do the job against OK.
GO GATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES! I will be there. I got some tix on Ebay last night for a pretty penny, but for this I will splurge. We got 2 lower level tix for $500 ea.
I am hoping FL gets Percy Harvin back for this game. One more weapon on offense is always helpful. I can't see Oklahoma keeping FL's offense in check. Only question will be can FL's pass defense do the job against OK.
Another Big 12 fan bites the dust.MizzouRah wrote:Have fun Jack!
I'm a Big 12 guy.. but I'm bitter, so I'm pulling for Florida.
I was rooting for Bama to win because Florida is playing the best overall football out there. OU is doing it on offense and at times on defense but our special teams are far from special.
Jared or Jack would either of you be interested in a friendly little avatar bet on the game?
Florida wins and I will will sport the Florida Gator avatar of your choosing and if OU wins you would do the same with a Sooner avatar. Just for a month or so.
First I did research this and the guy is an A&M alum, so I can't make any Longhorn jokes. I really figured the guy would be.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28161939/
Congressman proposing bill to kill BCS system
Taking aim at a BCS system he said "consistently misfires,'' a member of Congress planned to introduce legislation Wednesday that would force college football to adopt a playoff to determine the national champion.
Rep. Joe Barton of Texas, the ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, didn't specify what sort of playoff he wants — only that the BCS should go.
"In some years the sport's national championship winner was left unsettled, and at least one school was left out of the many millions of dollars in revenue that accompany the title,'' Barton said in a statement released ahead of the bill's introduction. "Despite repeated efforts to improve the system, the controversy rages on.''
He said the bill — being co-sponsored by Reps. Bobby Rush, an Illinois Democrat, and Michael McCaul, a Texas Republican — "will prohibit the marketing, promotion, and advertising of a postseason game as a 'national championship' football game, unless it is the result of a playoff system. Violations of the prohibition will be treated as violations of the Federal Trade Commission Act as an unfair or deceptive act or practice.''
The BCS was created in 1998 by the six most powerful conferences. Since then, the system has been tweaked to make it easier for teams from smaller conferences to qualify for the top games. The sites for the four BCS bowls - the Rose, Orange, Sugar and Fiesta - take turns hosting a championship game between the top two teams in the BCS standings, which are based on two human polls and six computer ratings.
This season, Florida (12-1) and Oklahoma (12-1) will meet in the BCS title game Jan. 8 in Miami.
Barton cited Southern California in 2003 and undefeated Auburn in 2004 as examples of worthy teams left out of the BCS national championship game.
"This year, we again have two teams with one loss each playing for the 'championship,' while two undefeated teams and four additional teams with only one loss will play in bowl games, but none can become 'champion,''' he said.
When an Energy and Commerce subcommittee held a hearing about the BCS in 2005, lawmakers said they weren't going to pursue legislation.
"The BCS method of determining who is No. 1 consistently misfires,'' Barton said Wednesday. "Simply exposing the flaws and subjecting them to discussion ... hasn't led to improvement by those who run the system.''
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28161939/
Congressman proposing bill to kill BCS system
Taking aim at a BCS system he said "consistently misfires,'' a member of Congress planned to introduce legislation Wednesday that would force college football to adopt a playoff to determine the national champion.
Rep. Joe Barton of Texas, the ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, didn't specify what sort of playoff he wants — only that the BCS should go.
"In some years the sport's national championship winner was left unsettled, and at least one school was left out of the many millions of dollars in revenue that accompany the title,'' Barton said in a statement released ahead of the bill's introduction. "Despite repeated efforts to improve the system, the controversy rages on.''
He said the bill — being co-sponsored by Reps. Bobby Rush, an Illinois Democrat, and Michael McCaul, a Texas Republican — "will prohibit the marketing, promotion, and advertising of a postseason game as a 'national championship' football game, unless it is the result of a playoff system. Violations of the prohibition will be treated as violations of the Federal Trade Commission Act as an unfair or deceptive act or practice.''
The BCS was created in 1998 by the six most powerful conferences. Since then, the system has been tweaked to make it easier for teams from smaller conferences to qualify for the top games. The sites for the four BCS bowls - the Rose, Orange, Sugar and Fiesta - take turns hosting a championship game between the top two teams in the BCS standings, which are based on two human polls and six computer ratings.
This season, Florida (12-1) and Oklahoma (12-1) will meet in the BCS title game Jan. 8 in Miami.
Barton cited Southern California in 2003 and undefeated Auburn in 2004 as examples of worthy teams left out of the BCS national championship game.
"This year, we again have two teams with one loss each playing for the 'championship,' while two undefeated teams and four additional teams with only one loss will play in bowl games, but none can become 'champion,''' he said.
When an Energy and Commerce subcommittee held a hearing about the BCS in 2005, lawmakers said they weren't going to pursue legislation.
"The BCS method of determining who is No. 1 consistently misfires,'' Barton said Wednesday. "Simply exposing the flaws and subjecting them to discussion ... hasn't led to improvement by those who run the system.''
I love how the country is undergoing one of the greatest economics crisis in the last 100 years and this yahoo is wanting to waste government effort on a freaking college football playoff system.bdoughty wrote:First I did research this and the guy is an A&M alum, so I can't make any Longhorn jokes. I really figured the guy would be.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28161939/
Congressman proposing bill to kill BCS system
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You're On!bdoughty wrote:
Jared or Jack would either of you be interested in a friendly little avatar bet on the game?
Florida wins and I will will sport the Florida Gator avatar of your choosing and if OU wins you would do the same with a Sooner avatar. Just for a month or so.
Who else wants some action?
It will be fun seeing a board full of Gator Logos
You can name the logo of your choice if OK wins....it doesn't have to be Oklahoma's.
No avatar bet for me...especially considering my opponent currently has VY as his avatar (even if he's got a freaky hat on). Maybe I'll add a tear to the Gator's eye if we lose.
I do think it's going to be a good game. Though I think Florida's D is better than Oklahoma's D, and that should be the difference.
I do think it's going to be a good game. Though I think Florida's D is better than Oklahoma's D, and that should be the difference.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3761019
If Syracuse ever wants to field a descent football program in the next five years, they will be smart to entice Gill as their coach. Anyone who can get Buffalo to a MAC title has proven their worth as a coach. This guy will be the best coaching hire of the year, assuming he decides to leave Buffalo.
If Syracuse ever wants to field a descent football program in the next five years, they will be smart to entice Gill as their coach. Anyone who can get Buffalo to a MAC title has proven their worth as a coach. This guy will be the best coaching hire of the year, assuming he decides to leave Buffalo.
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Syracuse hires Doug Marrone as head football coach.
Come on, guys: Everyone knows who Doug Marrone is, right? Everyone is pumped beyond belief, right?
OK, now I'm ready to unload:
SU alum Doug Marrone claims that the Syracuse job is the one he always has wanted. And this is the job you got, Doug, because you were the fourth choice.
Feel that Orange Pride, knowing you were behind Randy Edsall, Skip Holtz and Turner Gill on the esteemed pecking order -- a supernova list of luminary legends that ranks right up there with Stagg, Rockne and Bryant.
Didn't we careen down this gloss-slicked road four years ago? Daryl Gross selected a guy long on NFL pedigree, with zero head coaching experience and no Northeast recruiting roots. I wonder if Marrone used the same Mr. Bojangles song and dance that Greg Robinson performed to wow the glitz-blinded Gross and the baroness of political correctness, Nancy Cantor, during his interview. The blueprint works, so why shred it?
I didn't see the press conference, but I wonder if Gross once again promised contention for a national title within five years, as he did with Robinson.
I'm glad Gross burned up two cell phone lines simultaneously on the sidelines all fall to make this choice. I'm sure season ticket sales have spiked from 14,400 to 14,417 just in the two hours since Gross made the announcement.
Maybe Dennis Quaid will be available for the big Doug Marrone premiere next September, and maybe we can retire the legendary No. 44 once again. I heard Godsmack might play on the quad, too, while SU football burns inside the Dome.
Well done, Dr. Daryl. I'd like to say I'm shivering with anticipation, but I'm really trembling because the nuclear winter of Syracuse football will continue. And there's no fallout shelter in sight.
Take care,
PK
Come on, guys: Everyone knows who Doug Marrone is, right? Everyone is pumped beyond belief, right?
OK, now I'm ready to unload:
SU alum Doug Marrone claims that the Syracuse job is the one he always has wanted. And this is the job you got, Doug, because you were the fourth choice.
Feel that Orange Pride, knowing you were behind Randy Edsall, Skip Holtz and Turner Gill on the esteemed pecking order -- a supernova list of luminary legends that ranks right up there with Stagg, Rockne and Bryant.
Didn't we careen down this gloss-slicked road four years ago? Daryl Gross selected a guy long on NFL pedigree, with zero head coaching experience and no Northeast recruiting roots. I wonder if Marrone used the same Mr. Bojangles song and dance that Greg Robinson performed to wow the glitz-blinded Gross and the baroness of political correctness, Nancy Cantor, during his interview. The blueprint works, so why shred it?
I didn't see the press conference, but I wonder if Gross once again promised contention for a national title within five years, as he did with Robinson.
I'm glad Gross burned up two cell phone lines simultaneously on the sidelines all fall to make this choice. I'm sure season ticket sales have spiked from 14,400 to 14,417 just in the two hours since Gross made the announcement.
Maybe Dennis Quaid will be available for the big Doug Marrone premiere next September, and maybe we can retire the legendary No. 44 once again. I heard Godsmack might play on the quad, too, while SU football burns inside the Dome.
Well done, Dr. Daryl. I'd like to say I'm shivering with anticipation, but I'm really trembling because the nuclear winter of Syracuse football will continue. And there's no fallout shelter in sight.
Take care,
PK
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Terrible hire by Syracuse. Should have looked harder at Gill. Someone will benefit from this error in judgment.
Regarding Holtz, he had withdrawn his name from consideration this week.
The only X factor is how well he can recruit. Something that even Syracuse has no idea of, since he has been in the pros the past five or so years.
Regarding Holtz, he had withdrawn his name from consideration this week.
The only X factor is how well he can recruit. Something that even Syracuse has no idea of, since he has been in the pros the past five or so years.
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Gill was the popular choice up here, too. Something felt slimy about Holtz, so I think the populace cooled on him in the last week.bdoughty wrote:Terrible hire by Syracuse. Should have looked harder at Gill. Someone will benefit from this error in judgment.
Regarding Holtz, he had withdrawn his name from consideration this week.
The only X factor is how well he can recruit. Something that even Syracuse has no idea of, since he has been in the pros the past five or so years.
All Gill has done is take a Division I-AA team to a Division I-A bowl game, beat nationally ranked Ball State, run a clean, winning program and plant serious roots in New York recruiting all while being a terrific, moral guy. That's all. Apparently that's not what Dr. Daryl Gross wants for Syracuse football.
Gross and his disciples are trotting out Marrone's roots at Syracuse, his first job 22 years ago at nearby Division III Cortland State and his status as a Bronx native as examples that he can recruit. Apparently he was a solid recruiter as an assistant at Georgia Tech, Georgia and Tennessee. But he was at Georgia and Tennessee only one year apiece, and his last year in the college ranks was 2001.
There's no way this guy can have the kind of roots and contacts in Northeast recruiting -- hell, in college recruiting anywhere! -- as Turner Gill.
But once again, Dr. Daryl was wowed by that NFL shield on Marrone's resume. I think Gross' secret fantasy is to hire Roger Goodell as SU head coach.
There's still a chance that Gross wanted Gill but Gill turned away from Syracuse once he learned what a bullshitting gloss bag Gross is and what a lunatic Chancellor Cantor is. Plus Auburn supposedly is going after Gill.
So, hmm: SEC or Big East? A school that could return to national prominence quickly or a school with no football future? A school that can attract elite recruits with warm weather and the SEC, or a school that could lure kids with snow, cold and an antiquated dome?
Maybe Gill didn't want SU as badly as some think up here.
Take care,
PK
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