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Diablo25 wrote:Colin Powell endorses Obama.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/19/ ... index.html
Shocka !

Colin Powell and John McCain are basically closet liberals. In fact today's Republican's are your 70's even 80's liberals which is why I like to refer to the broken two party system as Diet Coke vs Diet Pepsi.
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LMAO Powell has been villified for years as an incredible lie-merchant spreading the Gospel According to W. But now that he supports The One his credibility is beyond reproach.

It's been a fun election season. :)
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I always saw him as a closet liberal even before his anointing of "That One". :D
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Great Stuff. I am laughing so hard I got tears in my eyes :) I give Palin a lot of credit. The words are a little mocking of her "character" but she laughs it off all in good fun.
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Gen Powell has always been one of my personal heroes from when I was in the military serving in the first Gulf War. I would have voted for him for POTUS if he had ran back in 96 and really hoped that he would have at some point. I was always disappointed that he aligned himself with Bush and Cheney. That being said, this is a major endorsement for Obama and damaging to McCain, at least for a few days anyway.
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TheGamer wrote:Gen Powell has always been one of my personal heroes from when I was in the military serving in the first Gulf War. I would have voted for him for POTUS if he had ran back in 96 and really hoped that he would have at some point. I was always disappointed that he aligned himself with Bush and Cheney. That being said, this is a major endorsement for Obama and damaging to McCain, at least for a few days anyway.
His alignment with Bush makes this an even bigger deal. He is a man who thinks for himself. he is not a party whore. Gives it much greater weight.

Great endorsement for Obama.
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RobVarak wrote:LMAO Powell has been villified for years as an incredible lie-merchant spreading the Gospel According to W. But now that he supports The One his credibility is beyond reproach.

It's been a fun election season. :)
I was thinking the same thing. If Teal chimes in and agrees I think the planet may explode! :D

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dougb wrote:
RobVarak wrote:LMAO Powell has been villified for years as an incredible lie-merchant spreading the Gospel According to W. But now that he supports The One his credibility is beyond reproach.

It's been a fun election season. :)
I was thinking the same thing. If Teal chimes in and agrees I think the planet may explode! :D

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If the Powell announcement either shocked you or made you giddy, then you really need a new hobby. It's just one lib endorsing another... :D
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I just think he wants to be Sec. of State again, but this time without Dick Cheney's hand up his ass.
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I love Gen Powell. I really do. Just like "The Gamer" I view him as a hero. But this comment made me laugh:
Powell said he has some concerns about the direction of the Republican Party, adding that it has "moved more to the right than I would like to see it."
As opposed to Obama,Pelosi,Frank and Reed?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Scrappleface makes an endorsement :lol:
Rarely has one man so captivated a nation with his readiness to prepare to serve.

That’s why the editorial board at ScrappleFace, on behalf of the vast editorial staff, today endorses Barack Obama for the office of junior senator from Illinois.

Although the prospect of an Obama presidency, from a satirical perspective, represents a hopeful future of full employment, the editors of ScrappleFace cannot let their own needs stand in the way of the needs of the Senate, or indeed, of the people of the world.

Barack Obama’s temperament makes him ideally suited to an institution that President George Washington reportedly once called ‘the cooling saucer’ of the Republic. Evidence of Mr. Obama’s suitability for this role is manifold…

According to friends (who he calls ‘Obam-associates’) , Barack Obama is so cool…

The only reason he doesn’t smoke very often is that the flame on his cigarette keeps going out.

Once, during a conference committee meeting, Rep. Barney Frank borrowed Sen. Obama’s pen, and immediately got his tongue stuck to its frosty surface. Even then, Sen. Obama was so cool, he just reached over and snapped the pen from Rep. Frank’s mouth, leaving the grateful Congressman with no lasting effect but a barely-noticeable speech impediment.

At a recent concert and political rally, when Bruce Springsteen got ‘The Fever’, he skipped the Tylenol, because his friend Barack was there. When The Boss sang ‘I’m on Fire’, Sen. Obama extinguished him.

When his wife Michelle, his former pastor Jeremiah Wright, or a guy in his neighborhood named Bill Ayers, occasionally let loose with fiery outbursts of anger, just being near Barack Obama allows them to ‘chill’ like a typical white grandmother, shivering because she just saw a black man.

Despite his elite education in private schools and substantial wealth acquired through individual initiative, he calmly tells fellow African-Americans that their only hope lies in dependence upon union bosses and government social programs.

When pondering the fate of an aborted infant, accidentally born alive, he can dispassionately discourse on whether the mother’s right to privacy, under the Roe v. Wade amendment to the Constitution, should continue until the baby’s first, or second, bounce on the delivery room floor.

All told, we find a man with a public personality that forgoes the messy ‘person’ part. He’s a man who connects with the emotions of a crowd, like a magnet attracts its polar opposite, because his heart is a lean and pure blood-pumping muscle, unhindered by emotion.

Barack Obama’s experience with, and oft-stated appreciation of, John McCain’s decades of service, will make him a leader among his senate colleagues in reaching out to President McCain to write new sentences in his own multi-paragraph history of ‘Great Acts of Bipartisanship’.

Sen. Obama’s sparse record of writing legislation means only two things…
1) as they say in baseball, “He’s due” (a significant bill could emerge from his pen any minute), and
2) he’s rested, ready to craft laws that will shape our future.

Sen. Obama’s legislative track record makes the so-called ‘do-nothing Congress’, by comparison, seem like a beehive of activity and accomplishment. With its historically-low approval ratings, Congress needs someone who will make it look good.

While critics contend that his entire Senate tenure has been little but a series of tactical maneuvers in a carefully-calculated strategy to become president, Obam-associates know that his aspiration to higher office makes him a better senator because he’s likely to avoid controversy as he cultivates his reputation, thus fostering a more civil atmosphere at the Capitol.

The Senate’s leisurely pace (he once called it ‘glacial’) also provides the ideal setting for writing — perhaps that eagerly-awaited third memoir, tentatively entitled “Brush with Greatness: Ordinary American’s Stories About Meeting Barack Obama.”
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From CBS:

Free Obama and Biden!!
In the past two days alone, Palin has answered questions from her national press corps on three separate occasions. On Saturday, she held another plane availability, and on Sunday, she offered an impromptu press conference on the tarmac upon landing in Colorado Springs. A few minutes later, she answered even more questions from reporters during an off-the-record stop at a local ice cream shop.

By contrast, Biden hasn’t held a press conference in more than a month, and Obama hasn’t taken questions from his full traveling press corps since the end of September.
Somehow I don't think CNN is going to have a "Free Obama" graphic like they did for Palin.
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Obama Opens up 6 point Lead on Zogby!

http://www.reuters.com/article/politics ... LF20081020

I know a lot of McCain supporters like to dismiss other polls and point to Zogby's, but what are you going to say now? Even Zogby's says if Obama holds at least a 50% lead, then he's a sure winner.

If you look at the Electoral Map Poll
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... cain/#data

Even if McCain get's ALL the toss up States he still loses 286-252.

Like McCain says...'We Got Em Right Where We Want Em" :)
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JackB1 wrote:Obama Opens up 6 point Lead on Zogby!

http://www.reuters.com/article/politics ... LF20081020

I know a lot of McCain supporters like to dismiss other polls and point to Zogby's, but what are you going to say now? Even Zogby's says if Obama holds at least a 50% lead, then he's a sure winner.

If you look at the Electoral Map Poll
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... cain/#data

Even if McCain get's ALL the toss up States he still loses 286-252.

Like McCain says...'We Got Em Right Where We Want Em" :)
My suggestion to you is to actually pay attention to Obama.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 957924.ece

Only one poll counts. I just dont want your head exploding if it doesnt work out.
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JackB1 wrote:Obama Opens up 6 point Lead on Zogby!

http://www.reuters.com/article/politics ... LF20081020

I know a lot of McCain supporters like to dismiss other polls and point to Zogby's, but what are you going to say now? Even Zogby's says if Obama holds at least a 50% lead, then he's a sure winner.

If you look at the Electoral Map Poll
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... cain/#data

Even if McCain get's ALL the toss up States he still loses 286-252.

Like McCain says...'We Got Em Right Where We Want Em" :)

What am I going to say now??? As opposed to what, 3 days ago? :lol: C'mon Jack...polls are opinions, and opinions are like assholes...I think you get the rest. The only poll that bears any weight whatsoever is the one that will be open for 12 hours on November 4th.
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Teal wrote:The only poll that bears any weight whatsoever is the one that will be open for 12 hours on November 4th.
Your polls are only open 12 hours? Is that all it takes for everyone with a pulse in Alabama to pull the GOP lever? :)

Seriously, that seems short. Polls are open in New York from 6 a.m.-9 p.m.

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JackB1 wrote:Obama Opens up 6 point Lead on Zogby!

http://www.reuters.com/article/politics ... LF20081020

I know a lot of McCain supporters like to dismiss other polls and point to Zogby's, but what are you going to say now? Even Zogby's says if Obama holds at least a 50% lead, then he's a sure winner.

If you look at the Electoral Map Poll
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... cain/#data

Even if McCain get's ALL the toss up States he still loses 286-252.

Like McCain says...'We Got Em Right Where We Want Em" :)
Food for thought: The AP-Ipsos poll from Oct. 20, 2004:

AP-Ipsos (976 LV)

10/18 - 10/20

46%

49%

2%

Kerry +3

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I think an Obama victory borders on the inevitable. But to cite one poll as proof the race is over seems a bit daft.

As Teal said, the only poll that matters is the one taken Nov. 4. I doubt that outcome will be any different than the polls taken daily by the surveying crowd, but you never know.

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pk500 wrote:
Teal wrote:The only poll that bears any weight whatsoever is the one that will be open for 12 hours on November 4th.
Your polls are only open 12 hours? Is that all it takes for everyone with a pulse in Alabama to pull the GOP lever? :)

Seriously, that seems short. Polls are open in New York from 6 a.m.-9 p.m.

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It'd be the second time... :lol:
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pk500 wrote: I think an Obama victory borders on the inevitable. But to cite one poll as proof the race is over seems a bit daft.

As Teal said, the only poll that matters is the one taken Nov. 4. I doubt that outcome will be any different than the polls taken daily by the surveying crowd, but you never know.

Take care,
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I was only citing Zogby's because that was the one that has been favoring McCain the most and now that it's climbing in Obama's favor can't be encouraging for McCain supporters.

Of course one poll means little, but ALL the leading polls favoring Obama by an average of 5.2% surely means something.

More importantly, he's winning FL by an avg of 3%, Ohio 3%, and remarkably North Carolina by 1%, which Bush won by 12% in 2004.
If Obama wins those 2 states, McCain has no chance.
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JackB1 wrote:Obama Opens up 6 point Lead on Zogby!

http://www.reuters.com/article/politics ... LF20081020

I know a lot of McCain supporters like to dismiss other polls and point to Zogby's, but what are you going to say now? Even Zogby's says if Obama holds at least a 50% lead, then he's a sure winner.

If you look at the Electoral Map Poll
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... cain/#data

Even if McCain get's ALL the toss up States he still loses 286-252.

Like McCain says...'We Got Em Right Where We Want Em" :)
I'm going to say that you're treading real close to trolling with the way you worded this. If you're not careful I may have to get myself banned again. :twisted:
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Right now it seems likely that Obama will win the election. Even so, I'm still going to cast my vote, and it will not be for Obama or Barr.
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matthewk wrote:Right now it seems likely that Obama will win the election. Even so, I'm still going to cast my vote, and it will not be for Obama or Barr.
See, I don't see that. These polls have never been great indicators of anything, much. I love election day when all the media talking heads scratch their heads, wondering why things are going differently than what they 'concluded' they would. It only seems likely because the TV spins it that way. If we went by polls going in, we would have had Gore and Kerry to blame for everything, rather than Bush. (And don't forget Dewey!)
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JackB1 wrote:Obama Opens up 6 point Lead on Zogby!

http://www.reuters.com/article/politics ... LF20081020

I know a lot of McCain supporters like to dismiss other polls and point to Zogby's, but what are you going to say now? Even Zogby's says if Obama holds at least a 50% lead, then he's a sure winner.
I'm no McCain supporter, but here's what I'll say:

You NEVER base any kind of anything on the results of one poll. For example, that poll's got a margin of error of +/- 3 points. It's much better to look at an aggregate of polls, and even better to use models that take into account the biases of those polls. And even then, national polls don't mean much; state polls are where it's at. If you want to look at poll data, go here:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com

(BTW, they've got Obama w/a 93% chance to win.)

And please, don't phrase anything at other posters to "what are you gonna say now"...that is pretty taunt-y.
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The general poll doesn't do much anyway. It's the electoral projections that are really pointing at an Obama victory. It could all change, of course -- there's always the "Dewey Defeats Truman" possibility. But the projections would have to be off by historic amounts.
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